NOAA Hottest Year on Record: 1997 62F

[CrusaderFrank]

How does a baseline change the measurements? Do they actually measure tempetature?

 

[edthecynic]

We've been in a 2 decade pause since then

LIAR!
1997 does not even make it into the top 16.

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

With the contribution of such record warmth at year's end and with 10 months of the year record warm for their respective months, including the last 8 (January was second warmest for January and April was third warmest), the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)

The 2015 temperature also marks the largest margin by which an annual temperature record has been broken. Prior to this year, the largest margin occurred in 1998, when the annual temperature surpassed the record set in 1997 by 0.12°C (0.22°F). Incidentally, 1997 and 1998 were the last years in which a similarly strong El Niño was occurring. The annual temperature anomalies for 1997 and 1998 were 0.51°C (0.92°F) and 0.63°C (1.13°F), respectively, above the 20th century average, both well below the 2015 temperature departure.

LOL

drank Obama Kool Aid

The average is 56.9. Is 62F bigger or smaller than that and by how much.

LOL

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We've been in a 2 decade pause since then

LIAR!
1997 does not even make it into the top 16.

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

With the contribution of such record warmth at year's end and with 10 months of the year record warm for their respective months, including the last 8 (January was second warmest for January and April was third warmest), the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)

The 2015 temperature also marks the largest margin by which an annual temperature record has been broken. Prior to this year, the largest margin occurred in 1998, when the annual temperature surpassed the record set in 1997 by 0.12°C (0.22°F). Incidentally, 1997 and 1998 were the last years in which a similarly strong El Niño was occurring. The annual temperature anomalies for 1997 and 1998 were 0.51°C (0.92°F) and 0.63°C (1.13°F), respectively, above the 20th century average, both well below the 2015 temperature departure.

LOL

drank Obama Kool Aid

The average is 56.9. Is 62F bigger or smaller than that and by how much.

LOL

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

 

[edthecynic]

How does a baseline change the measurements? Do they actually measure tempetature?

Because one is an average of 30 years and the other is an average of 100 years. The 100 year average is going to be more accurate than the 30 year average by a factor greater than 3
Funny how the deniers have no problem with Roy Spencer constantly changing his UAH baseline to get the least warming, and he is continually using a 30 year baseline, so he is not changing it because a longer period is more accurate!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

 

[westwall]

That's cute. It was 60 degrees in Anaheim last night. There is snow about 400 feet above my house. Unusual? No. But then neither is anything that the AGW supporters claim either.

NOTHING.

It was 90 degrees at the Jersey shore yesterday, the second 90 degree day this week, and that is unusual.

Care to bet. Try looking at the historical temp record going back 100 years and you will see it is nothing unusual.

You guys look at a small time frame and ascribe magical powers to it.

 

[edthecynic]

LIAR!
1997 does not even make it into the top 16.

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

With the contribution of such record warmth at year's end and with 10 months of the year record warm for their respective months, including the last 8 (January was second warmest for January and April was third warmest), the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)

The 2015 temperature also marks the largest margin by which an annual temperature record has been broken. Prior to this year, the largest margin occurred in 1998, when the annual temperature surpassed the record set in 1997 by 0.12°C (0.22°F). Incidentally, 1997 and 1998 were the last years in which a similarly strong El Niño was occurring. The annual temperature anomalies for 1997 and 1998 were 0.51°C (0.92°F) and 0.63°C (1.13°F), respectively, above the 20th century average, both well below the 2015 temperature departure.

LOL

drank Obama Kool Aid

The average is 56.9. Is 62F bigger or smaller than that and by how much.

LOL

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

 

[edthecynic]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

 

[edthecynic]

That's cute. It was 60 degrees in Anaheim last night. There is snow about 400 feet above my house. Unusual? No. But then neither is anything that the AGW supporters claim either.

NOTHING.

It was 90 degrees at the Jersey shore yesterday, the second 90 degree day this week, and that is unusual.

Care to bet. Try looking at the historical temp record going back 100 years and you will see it is nothing unusual.

You guys look at a small time frame and ascribe magical powers to it.

Well since the average here is in the low 70s, it certainly is not average!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

The outside temperature is currently 67F, please explain to me how and when the baseline come into play

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL

drank Obama Kool Aid

The average is 56.9. Is 62F bigger or smaller than that and by how much.

LOL

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

Where is the anomaly today?

 

[edthecynic]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

The outside temperature is currently 67F, please explain to me how and when the baseline come into play

The baseline comes into play whenever the data is recorded as an anomaly, which is the only way the data is recorded by scientists.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL

drank Obama Kool Aid

The average is 56.9. Is 62F bigger or smaller than that and by how much.

LOL

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

Do thermometers measure temperatures or anomalies?

Can you please show us the instrument that measures anomalies instead of temperature

 

[edthecynic]

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

Where is the anomaly today?

It is the deviation from the baseline average for the temperature station where you got your 67F reading.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

The outside temperature is currently 67F, please explain to me how and when the baseline come into play

The baseline comes into play whenever the data is recorded as an anomaly, which is the only way the data is recorded by scientists.

The NOAA site in the op talks about a global average temperature. Where does the baseline come into play on a direct measurement

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

Where is the anomaly today?

It is the deviation from the baseline average for the temperature station where you got your 67F reading.

So the outside temperature isn't 67F?

 

[edthecynic]

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

Do thermometers measure temperatures or anomalies?

Can you please show us the instrument that measures anomalies instead of temperature

You are wearing the dumb act quite thin. If you do not understand anomalies then you know nothing about how temperature data is recorded and compared.

Anomalies are CALCULATED using the measured temperature for that day and the average for that temperature station.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

Do thermometers measure temperatures or anomalies?

Can you please show us the instrument that measures anomalies instead of temperature

You are wearing the dumb act quite thin. If you do not understand anomalies then you know nothing about how temperature data is recorded and compared.

Anomalies are CALCULATED using the measured temperature for that day and the average for that temperature station.

Do you believe ANY of what you wrote? You're saying that the outside temperature isn't accurate but can be adjusted by some statistical abstract.

The outside temperature is still 67F, what the anomaly today.

Please do the math for me

 

[edthecynic]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

The outside temperature is currently 67F, please explain to me how and when the baseline come into play

The baseline comes into play whenever the data is recorded as an anomaly, which is the only way the data is recorded by scientists.

The NOAA site in the op talks about a global average temperature. Where does the baseline come into play on a direct measurement

The temperature in your graphic is NOT a direct temperature measurement, and it says so right in your own graphic in the last sentence.

 

[edthecynic]

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

Because they don't measure temperature directly, they measure anomalies, the deviation from the baseline. DUH!!!

Do thermometers measure temperatures or anomalies?

Can you please show us the instrument that measures anomalies instead of temperature

You are wearing the dumb act quite thin. If you do not understand anomalies then you know nothing about how temperature data is recorded and compared.

Anomalies are CALCULATED using the measured temperature for that day and the average for that temperature station.

Do you believe ANY of what you wrote? You're saying that the outside temperature isn't accurate but can be adjusted by some statistical abstract.

The outside temperature is still 67F, what the anomaly today.

Please do the math for me

Give me the exact temperature station where you got your imaginary 67F.