No Good guy with a gun, but here is a hero

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There was no "good guy with a gun" to stop the evil one, but against this:

was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran that took action to save lives:

Marine Veteran Stole Truck to Transport Dozens of Vegas Victims to Hospital

He stole a truck to transport the injured away from the melee. TRAVIS WINSTON, a hero without a gun.

I'm not sure what that has to do with guns... he saved people by not using one.

Some have posted, in reference to firearm control, that ONLY "a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". Thus, the title.

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

 

[playtime]

There was no "good guy with a gun" to stop the evil one, but against this:

was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran that took action to save lives:

Marine Veteran Stole Truck to Transport Dozens of Vegas Victims to Hospital

He stole a truck to transport the injured away from the melee. TRAVIS WINSTON, a hero without a gun.

I'm not sure what that has to do with guns... he saved people by not using one.

Some have posted, in reference to firearm control, that ONLY "a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". Thus, the title.

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

he had every intention to shoot himself- he had a camera set up outside to know when they were going to storm the room.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There was no "good guy with a gun" to stop the evil one, but against this:

was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran that took action to save lives:

Marine Veteran Stole Truck to Transport Dozens of Vegas Victims to Hospital

He stole a truck to transport the injured away from the melee. TRAVIS WINSTON, a hero without a gun.

I'm not sure what that has to do with guns... he saved people by not using one.

Some have posted, in reference to firearm control, that ONLY "a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". Thus, the title.

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

he had every intention to shoot himself- he had a camera set up outside to know when they were going to storm the room.

OK, your point is?

He stopped, didn't he?

 

[playtime]

There was no "good guy with a gun" to stop the evil one, but against this:

was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran that took action to save lives:

Marine Veteran Stole Truck to Transport Dozens of Vegas Victims to Hospital

He stole a truck to transport the injured away from the melee. TRAVIS WINSTON, a hero without a gun.

I'm not sure what that has to do with guns... he saved people by not using one.

Some have posted, in reference to firearm control, that ONLY "a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". Thus, the title.

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

he had every intention to shoot himself- he had a camera set up outside to know when they were going to storm the room.

OK, your point is?

He stopped, didn't he?

nobody stopped him. he stopped himself & chose when to do it.

 

[miketx]

Hopefully soon! That's what we need.

uh-huh. except when some nutbag takes down a helicopter or plane.

Nutbags use vehicles to kill people. Probably happen 1000% more. What you wanna do about that? Cars aint even protected by the Constitution..

cars' innate design & function is not to kill. guns are. & i am not anti-gun.

That does not change the fact that cars kill more. Next deflection.

bullshit. that is no deflection. how many cars are used to kill on purpose compared to the tool that was invented to do that very thing. stop being an idiot.

I'm not an idiot. Dead is dead. Next deflection.

 

[Peach]

There was no "good guy with a gun" to stop the evil one, but against this:

was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran that took action to save lives:

Marine Veteran Stole Truck to Transport Dozens of Vegas Victims to Hospital

He stole a truck to transport the injured away from the melee. TRAVIS WINSTON, a hero without a gun.

I'm not sure what that has to do with guns... he saved people by not using one.

Some have posted, in reference to firearm control, that ONLY "a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". Thus, the title.

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

I referenced the SWAT team as 'great', all LE involved were AMAZING actually.

 

[playtime]

uh-huh. except when some nutbag takes down a helicopter or plane.

Nutbags use vehicles to kill people. Probably happen 1000% more. What you wanna do about that? Cars aint even protected by the Constitution..

cars' innate design & function is not to kill. guns are. & i am not anti-gun.

That does not change the fact that cars kill more. Next deflection.

bullshit. that is no deflection. how many cars are used to kill on purpose compared to the tool that was invented to do that very thing. stop being an idiot.

I'm not an idiot. Dead is dead. Next deflection.

learn what deflection means. then realize it is you who is doing it. dead may be dead.... but the motive & means determines everything especially in a court of law.

nice try, but you failed.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm not sure what that has to do with guns... he saved people by not using one.

Some have posted, in reference to firearm control, that ONLY "a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". Thus, the title.

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

he had every intention to shoot himself- he had a camera set up outside to know when they were going to storm the room.

OK, your point is?

He stopped, didn't he?

nobody stopped him. he stopped himself & chose when to do it.

If he had not done it, a good guy with a gun was standing by to do so.

Are you so dense that you cannot see that?

 

[Gracie]

But the OP brings up a good debate.
Should we allow rifles and snipers carried around in public? Obviously they wont be concealed, but someone could have stopped this early on..

Personally, I have no problem with trained soldiers carrying rifles in public. The safest place you can be is with a bunch of soldiers or in a police barracks! When was the last time a mass murderer attacked a police barrack?

But nothing short of a trained sniper with high powered rifle could have stopped that guy from the ground.

My question: during all of the time that guy was shooting from his room, WHERE THE HELL was the hotel staff? No one heard the gun fire? How long does it take to get a cop and open the door?

They were hiding. That veteran said he tried over and over to get hotel staff to pick up the fucking phone and they never did. So he finally got thru to the cops.
I smell a lawsuit coming for Mandalay. WHERE WAS STAFF????

Hotel staff has no mandate to rush into a gun battle.

Rush INTO a battle? So....answering the fucking phone is a battle, eh?

It depends on where the phone is and where you are, doesn't it?

Hotel staff didn't even know it was coming from their location yet. So why not ANSWER THE DAMN PHONE?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Personally, I have no problem with trained soldiers carrying rifles in public. The safest place you can be is with a bunch of soldiers or in a police barracks! When was the last time a mass murderer attacked a police barrack?

But nothing short of a trained sniper with high powered rifle could have stopped that guy from the ground.

My question: during all of the time that guy was shooting from his room, WHERE THE HELL was the hotel staff? No one heard the gun fire? How long does it take to get a cop and open the door?

They were hiding. That veteran said he tried over and over to get hotel staff to pick up the fucking phone and they never did. So he finally got thru to the cops.
I smell a lawsuit coming for Mandalay. WHERE WAS STAFF????

Hotel staff has no mandate to rush into a gun battle.

Rush INTO a battle? So....answering the fucking phone is a battle, eh?

It depends on where the phone is and where you are, doesn't it?

Hotel staff didn't even know it was coming from their location yet. So why not ANSWER THE DAMN PHONE?

They were hiding precisely because they didn't know where it was coming from.

If you want to get shot, assume you are safe simply because you don't know where the shooter is!

 

[Gracie]

They were hiding. That veteran said he tried over and over to get hotel staff to pick up the fucking phone and they never did. So he finally got thru to the cops.
I smell a lawsuit coming for Mandalay. WHERE WAS STAFF????

Hotel staff has no mandate to rush into a gun battle.

Rush INTO a battle? So....answering the fucking phone is a battle, eh?

It depends on where the phone is and where you are, doesn't it?

Hotel staff didn't even know it was coming from their location yet. So why not ANSWER THE DAMN PHONE?

They were hiding precisely because they didn't know where it was coming from.

If you want to get shot, assume you are safe simply because you don't know where the shooter is!

Then I guess every casino within range had staff that hid, ignoring their guests?

 

[playtime]

Some have posted, in reference to firearm control, that ONLY "a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun". Thus, the title.

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

he had every intention to shoot himself- he had a camera set up outside to know when they were going to storm the room.

OK, your point is?

He stopped, didn't he?

nobody stopped him. he stopped himself & chose when to do it.

If he had not done it, a good guy with a gun was standing by to do so.

Are you so dense that you cannot see that?

how many yahoos were packing down on the ground that played cowboy---- not knowing where the bullets were coming from? they knew better than to even try because the good guys might think they were bad guys & blow them away.

so much for self protection 'eh?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Good guys with guns did stop this. When they were outside his room, the coward blew himself away.

he had every intention to shoot himself- he had a camera set up outside to know when they were going to storm the room.

OK, your point is?

He stopped, didn't he?

nobody stopped him. he stopped himself & chose when to do it.

If he had not done it, a good guy with a gun was standing by to do so.

Are you so dense that you cannot see that?

how many yahoos were packing down on the ground that played cowboy---- not knowing where the bullets were coming from? they knew better than to even try because the good guys might think they were bad guys & blow them away.

so much for self protection 'eh?

I din't know. How many were there? I haven't seen a single one mentioned.

Also, the people who were armed would not be pointing their weapon unless they had a target. That probably didn't include pointing at other people in the crowd.

 

[Rustic]

But the OP brings up a good debate.
Should we allow rifles and snipers carried around in public? Obviously they wont be concealed, but someone could have stopped this early on..

nevada has some of the most lax gun laws in the nation. here's your wild wild west.

Weapon laws (NRS Ch. 202)
Concealed weapon permits (CCW) are-shall issue and open carry is legal without a permit. Nevada does not ban 'assault weapons' and there is no magazine capacity limit. There are no purchase permits, gun registration, or gun-owner licensing. Blue cards are no longer required. There is no waiting period mandated for firearm purchases and private gun sales are okay. Local gun laws are prohibited. You do not have to "register" a gun to someone else.

Government Buildings
You cannot carry in the secure area of airports (past TSA checkpoints) and concealed carry only is prohibited in public buildings where 'no guns' signs are posted or metal detectors are present at each public entrance. (NRS 202.3673). Open carry is not regulated in any non-school public building.

No guns signs
Signs do not have the force of law on private property. In public buildings, only concealed carry is banned where 'no guns' signs are posted or metal detectors are present at each public entrance (NRS 202.3673).

Bar carry
It is legal to carry concealed or openly in a bar or restaurant, even while consuming alcohol. One cannot possess a firearm if their blood alcohol content is more than .10 BAC (NRS 202.257).

Casino carry
It is legal to carry openly or concealed inside a casino, on the Las Vegas Strip, or at the Fremont Street Experience. Most casinos will ask you to leave or disarm if they observe you carrying firearms, but it is not a crime unless you refuse to leave or comply (only trespassing).

School carry
Firearms are prohibited on K-12 school property, including child care facilities. This includes parking lots. Written permission from the principal is the only exemption, which is seldom granted (NRS 202.265).

Campus carry (colleges/universities)
Firearms are prohibited on college/university property, including in parking lots, except with written permission, which is seldom granted (NRS 202.265).

Car carry
It is legal to have a loaded handgun anywhere in your vehicle, including in the glove box, as long the weapon is not concealed on your body without a permit. Rifles and shotguns cannot have a round in the chamber (NRS 503.165).

Home carry
You cannot carry concealed without a permit at home or on your own private property. Concealed carry requires a permit anywhere in the state. Technically, a firearm, loaded or unloaded, carried in bag or case is illegal without a permit.

Where can I shoot?
Laws vary by county and city. Check your local ordinances. Click the map for a list of shooting spots near Las Vegas.

Gun Safety
1. Treat all guns as if they were loaded. 2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. 3. Never point at a gun at anything you are not willing to shoot. 4. Know your target and what lies beyond. 5. Keep weapons locked away from children.

I smoke marijuana. Is it legal for me to own/buy a gun?
No. Under federal law, you are an unlawful user of a controlled substance. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld this rule. Marijuana in any form is illegal under federal law. Users of marijuana are prohibited persons. Checking 'no' on question 11(e) on the Form 4473 would be a lie if you use marijuana. See this ATF letter on the topic.

Blue cards
Effective June 2, 2016, Clark County's handgun registration system, 'blue cards' was eliminated by changes to state law. Blue cards are not required nor issued. You do not have to keep your blue cards. There is no gun registration in Nevada at all. All records have been destroyed. Ballot Question 1 did not create registration.

Home

Firearm ownership is none of the federal government business

 

[playtime]

he had every intention to shoot himself- he had a camera set up outside to know when they were going to storm the room.

OK, your point is?

He stopped, didn't he?

nobody stopped him. he stopped himself & chose when to do it.

If he had not done it, a good guy with a gun was standing by to do so.

Are you so dense that you cannot see that?

how many yahoos were packing down on the ground that played cowboy---- not knowing where the bullets were coming from? they knew better than to even try because the good guys might think they were bad guys & blow them away.

so much for self protection 'eh?

I din't know. How many were there? I haven't seen a single one mentioned.

Also, the people who were armed would not be pointing their weapon unless they had a target. That probably didn't include pointing at other people in the crowd.

then why even have them on their person if where they were... having a weapon was not gonna work for them?

 

[playtime]

But the OP brings up a good debate.
Should we allow rifles and snipers carried around in public? Obviously they wont be concealed, but someone could have stopped this early on..

nevada has some of the most lax gun laws in the nation. here's your wild wild west.

Weapon laws (NRS Ch. 202)
Concealed weapon permits (CCW) are-shall issue and open carry is legal without a permit. Nevada does not ban 'assault weapons' and there is no magazine capacity limit. There are no purchase permits, gun registration, or gun-owner licensing. Blue cards are no longer required. There is no waiting period mandated for firearm purchases and private gun sales are okay. Local gun laws are prohibited. You do not have to "register" a gun to someone else.

Government Buildings
You cannot carry in the secure area of airports (past TSA checkpoints) and concealed carry only is prohibited in public buildings where 'no guns' signs are posted or metal detectors are present at each public entrance. (NRS 202.3673). Open carry is not regulated in any non-school public building.

No guns signs
Signs do not have the force of law on private property. In public buildings, only concealed carry is banned where 'no guns' signs are posted or metal detectors are present at each public entrance (NRS 202.3673).

Bar carry
It is legal to carry concealed or openly in a bar or restaurant, even while consuming alcohol. One cannot possess a firearm if their blood alcohol content is more than .10 BAC (NRS 202.257).

Casino carry
It is legal to carry openly or concealed inside a casino, on the Las Vegas Strip, or at the Fremont Street Experience. Most casinos will ask you to leave or disarm if they observe you carrying firearms, but it is not a crime unless you refuse to leave or comply (only trespassing).

School carry
Firearms are prohibited on K-12 school property, including child care facilities. This includes parking lots. Written permission from the principal is the only exemption, which is seldom granted (NRS 202.265).

Campus carry (colleges/universities)
Firearms are prohibited on college/university property, including in parking lots, except with written permission, which is seldom granted (NRS 202.265).

Car carry
It is legal to have a loaded handgun anywhere in your vehicle, including in the glove box, as long the weapon is not concealed on your body without a permit. Rifles and shotguns cannot have a round in the chamber (NRS 503.165).

Home carry
You cannot carry concealed without a permit at home or on your own private property. Concealed carry requires a permit anywhere in the state. Technically, a firearm, loaded or unloaded, carried in bag or case is illegal without a permit.

Where can I shoot?
Laws vary by county and city. Check your local ordinances. Click the map for a list of shooting spots near Las Vegas.

Gun Safety
1. Treat all guns as if they were loaded. 2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. 3. Never point at a gun at anything you are not willing to shoot. 4. Know your target and what lies beyond. 5. Keep weapons locked away from children.

I smoke marijuana. Is it legal for me to own/buy a gun?
No. Under federal law, you are an unlawful user of a controlled substance. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld this rule. Marijuana in any form is illegal under federal law. Users of marijuana are prohibited persons. Checking 'no' on question 11(e) on the Form 4473 would be a lie if you use marijuana. See this ATF letter on the topic.

Blue cards
Effective June 2, 2016, Clark County's handgun registration system, 'blue cards' was eliminated by changes to state law. Blue cards are not required nor issued. You do not have to keep your blue cards. There is no gun registration in Nevada at all. All records have been destroyed. Ballot Question 1 did not create registration.

Home

Firearm ownership is none of the federal government business

tell me how many weapons has obama taken from you hmmmm? WOW is he late or what?????????

 

[Rustic]

But the OP brings up a good debate.
Should we allow rifles and snipers carried around in public? Obviously they wont be concealed, but someone could have stopped this early on..

nevada has some of the most lax gun laws in the nation. here's your wild wild west.

Weapon laws (NRS Ch. 202)
Concealed weapon permits (CCW) are-shall issue and open carry is legal without a permit. Nevada does not ban 'assault weapons' and there is no magazine capacity limit. There are no purchase permits, gun registration, or gun-owner licensing. Blue cards are no longer required. There is no waiting period mandated for firearm purchases and private gun sales are okay. Local gun laws are prohibited. You do not have to "register" a gun to someone else.

Government Buildings
You cannot carry in the secure area of airports (past TSA checkpoints) and concealed carry only is prohibited in public buildings where 'no guns' signs are posted or metal detectors are present at each public entrance. (NRS 202.3673). Open carry is not regulated in any non-school public building.

No guns signs
Signs do not have the force of law on private property. In public buildings, only concealed carry is banned where 'no guns' signs are posted or metal detectors are present at each public entrance (NRS 202.3673).

Bar carry
It is legal to carry concealed or openly in a bar or restaurant, even while consuming alcohol. One cannot possess a firearm if their blood alcohol content is more than .10 BAC (NRS 202.257).

Casino carry
It is legal to carry openly or concealed inside a casino, on the Las Vegas Strip, or at the Fremont Street Experience. Most casinos will ask you to leave or disarm if they observe you carrying firearms, but it is not a crime unless you refuse to leave or comply (only trespassing).

School carry
Firearms are prohibited on K-12 school property, including child care facilities. This includes parking lots. Written permission from the principal is the only exemption, which is seldom granted (NRS 202.265).

Campus carry (colleges/universities)
Firearms are prohibited on college/university property, including in parking lots, except with written permission, which is seldom granted (NRS 202.265).

Car carry
It is legal to have a loaded handgun anywhere in your vehicle, including in the glove box, as long the weapon is not concealed on your body without a permit. Rifles and shotguns cannot have a round in the chamber (NRS 503.165).

Home carry
You cannot carry concealed without a permit at home or on your own private property. Concealed carry requires a permit anywhere in the state. Technically, a firearm, loaded or unloaded, carried in bag or case is illegal without a permit.

Where can I shoot?
Laws vary by county and city. Check your local ordinances. Click the map for a list of shooting spots near Las Vegas.

Gun Safety
1. Treat all guns as if they were loaded. 2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. 3. Never point at a gun at anything you are not willing to shoot. 4. Know your target and what lies beyond. 5. Keep weapons locked away from children.

I smoke marijuana. Is it legal for me to own/buy a gun?
No. Under federal law, you are an unlawful user of a controlled substance. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld this rule. Marijuana in any form is illegal under federal law. Users of marijuana are prohibited persons. Checking 'no' on question 11(e) on the Form 4473 would be a lie if you use marijuana. See this ATF letter on the topic.

Blue cards
Effective June 2, 2016, Clark County's handgun registration system, 'blue cards' was eliminated by changes to state law. Blue cards are not required nor issued. You do not have to keep your blue cards. There is no gun registration in Nevada at all. All records have been destroyed. Ballot Question 1 did not create registration.

Home

Firearm ownership is none of the federal government business

tell me how many weapons has obama taken from you hmmmm? WOW is he late or what?????????

Slippery slope... man
Firearm ownership is personal business certainly none of the federal governments business.

 

[leftwinger]

But the OP brings up a good debate.
Should we allow rifles and snipers carried around in public? Obviously they wont be concealed, but someone could have stopped this early on..

Personally, I have no problem with trained soldiers carrying rifles in public. The safest place you can be is with a bunch of soldiers or in a police barracks! When was the last time a mass murderer attacked a police barrack?

But nothing short of a trained sniper with high powered rifle could have stopped that guy from the ground.

My question: during all of the time that guy was shooting from his room, WHERE THE HELL was the hotel staff? No one heard the gun fire? How long does it take to get a cop and open the door?

They were hiding. That veteran said he tried over and over to get hotel staff to pick up the fucking phone and they never did. So he finally got thru to the cops.
I smell a lawsuit coming for Mandalay. WHERE WAS STAFF????

Im not sure they could sue over that. Most employers WANT their employees to run and hide. Or they WILL get sued.

Sorry, in a case such as that, I don't give a flying fuck what my employer wants! Seriously, damn my job (I've done it before), I could not sit there while that guy kept blowing people away. If I had to go in with only a fire hose, I would have hit him with it. Let him try to shoot as I blast him with that, trying to blow him right out the window, as others rushed in to take him.

There just are times when you have to think of the greater good rather than just yourself. I can replace my job, but I have to LIVE with my conscience.

He Rigged cameras on the hallway. You would be shot through the door on approach.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

OK, your point is?

He stopped, didn't he?

nobody stopped him. he stopped himself & chose when to do it.

If he had not done it, a good guy with a gun was standing by to do so.

Are you so dense that you cannot see that?

how many yahoos were packing down on the ground that played cowboy---- not knowing where the bullets were coming from? they knew better than to even try because the good guys might think they were bad guys & blow them away.

so much for self protection 'eh?

I din't know. How many were there? I haven't seen a single one mentioned.

Also, the people who were armed would not be pointing their weapon unless they had a target. That probably didn't include pointing at other people in the crowd.

then why even have them on their person if where they were... having a weapon was not gonna work for them?

In that particular situation perhaps. However, if you can physically see someone shooting at you, wouldn't you prefer to be armed?

I would.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But the OP brings up a good debate.
Should we allow rifles and snipers carried around in public? Obviously they wont be concealed, but someone could have stopped this early on..

Personally, I have no problem with trained soldiers carrying rifles in public. The safest place you can be is with a bunch of soldiers or in a police barracks! When was the last time a mass murderer attacked a police barrack?

But nothing short of a trained sniper with high powered rifle could have stopped that guy from the ground.

My question: during all of the time that guy was shooting from his room, WHERE THE HELL was the hotel staff? No one heard the gun fire? How long does it take to get a cop and open the door?

They were hiding. That veteran said he tried over and over to get hotel staff to pick up the fucking phone and they never did. So he finally got thru to the cops.
I smell a lawsuit coming for Mandalay. WHERE WAS STAFF????

Im not sure they could sue over that. Most employers WANT their employees to run and hide. Or they WILL get sued.

Sorry, in a case such as that, I don't give a flying fuck what my employer wants! Seriously, damn my job (I've done it before), I could not sit there while that guy kept blowing people away. If I had to go in with only a fire hose, I would have hit him with it. Let him try to shoot as I blast him with that, trying to blow him right out the window, as others rushed in to take him.

There just are times when you have to think of the greater good rather than just yourself. I can replace my job, but I have to LIVE with my conscience.

He Rigged cameras on the hallway. You would be shot through the door on approach.

That is EXACTLY what happened when the security guard went up to the door.