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1. DNA IS a molecule. The pattern of that molecule is indeed a code for transcription. It is not a language, unless all codes are languages, and they are not.You are not addressing anything pertaining to the logic of scientific discovery. At all.
You need to apply it if you want to talk to scientists. If that's not what you want, then don't learn it.
But, your approach has nothing at all to do with the logic of scientific discovery even though you are talking about science.
Your choice, though, of course.
Ok this is the atheist riddle.
1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
2) All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.
If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that
occurs naturally, youve toppled my proof. All you need is one.
Perry Marshall
Information Theory and DNA vs. Atheists « Cosmic Fingerprints
Fail.
2. The sequence of the nucleotides in a strand of DNA is not determined by a mind, rather it is determined by a series of biochemical reactions in an organism.
Fail.
3. As (1) and (2) fail, (3) fails as well.
Nothing in there supports your claim in (1) that the sequence of nucleotides is a language.1. DNA IS a molecule. The pattern of that molecule is indeed a code for transcription. It is not a language, unless all codes are languages, and they are not.
Fail.
2. The sequence of the nucleotides in a strand of DNA is not determined by a mind, rather it is determined by a series of biochemical reactions in an organism.
Fail.
3. As (1) and (2) fail, (3) fails as well.
Wrong, if there is no information there is no science ?
Transcription of our DNA say's you're wrong and so do biologists.
.
DNA transcription is a process that involves the transcribing of genetic information from DNA to RNA. The transcribed DNA message is used to produce proteins. DNA is housed within the nucleus of our cells. It controls cellular activity by coding for the production of enzymes and proteins. The information in DNA is not directly converted into proteins, but must first be copied into RNA. This ensures that the information contained within the DNA does not become tainted.
DNA Transcription
DNA consists of four nucleotide bases [adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C) and thymine (T)] that are paired together (A-T and C-G) to give DNA its double helical shape.
There are three main steps to the process of DNA transcription. RNA Polymerase Binds to DNA
DNA is transcribed by an enzyme called RNA polymerase. Specific nucleotide sequences tell RNA polymerase where to begin and where to end. RNA polymerase attaches to the DNA at a specific area called the promoter region.
Elongation
Certain proteins called transcription factors unwind the DNA strand and allow RNA polymerase to transcribe only a single strand of DNA into a single stranded RNA polymer called messenger RNA (mRNA). The strand that serves as the template is called the antisense strand. The strand that is not transcribed is called the sense strand.
Like DNA, RNA is composed of nucleotide bases. RNA however, contains the nucleotides adenine, guanine, cytosine and uricil (U). When RNA polymerase transcribes the DNA, guanine pairs with cytosine and adenine pairs with uricil.
Termination
RNA polymerase moves along the DNA until it reaches a terminator sequence. At that point, RNA polymerase releases the mRNA polymer and detaches from the DNA.
Since proteins are constructed in the cytoplasm of the cell by a process called translation, mRNA must cross the nuclear membrane to reach the cytoplasm. Once in the cytoplasm, mRNA along with ribosomes and another RNA molecule called transfer RNA, work together to produce proteins. Proteins can be manufactured in large quantities because a single DNA sequence can be transcribed by many RNA polymerase molecules at once.
DNA Transcription
(1) still fails.
Nothing in there supports your claim that nucleic acids are created by a 'mind' rather than a series of biochemical reactions.
(2) still fails.
And, as (3) is a conclusion based on the veracity of (1) and (2), (3) fails by default.
So, all codes are languages.1. DNA IS a molecule. The pattern of that molecule is indeed a code for transcription. It is not a language, unless all codes are languages, and they are not.Ok this is the atheist riddle.
1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
2) All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.
If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that
occurs naturally, youve toppled my proof. All you need is one.
Perry Marshall
Information Theory and DNA vs. Atheists « Cosmic Fingerprints
Fail.
2. The sequence of the nucleotides in a strand of DNA is not determined by a mind, rather it is determined by a series of biochemical reactions in an organism.
Fail.
3. As (1) and (2) fail, (3) fails as well.
Any and all codes are forms of communication,as is language,sign language, and all forms of communication came about by a mind. If you can show one that didn't you have proven this argument wrong, But not until then.
No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.Nothing in there supports your claim in (1) that the sequence of nucleotides is a language.Wrong, if there is no information there is no science ?
Transcription of our DNA say's you're wrong and so do biologists.
.
DNA transcription is a process that involves the transcribing of genetic information from DNA to RNA. The transcribed DNA message is used to produce proteins. DNA is housed within the nucleus of our cells. It controls cellular activity by coding for the production of enzymes and proteins. The information in DNA is not directly converted into proteins, but must first be copied into RNA. This ensures that the information contained within the DNA does not become tainted.
DNA Transcription
DNA consists of four nucleotide bases [adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C) and thymine (T)] that are paired together (A-T and C-G) to give DNA its double helical shape.
There are three main steps to the process of DNA transcription. •RNA Polymerase Binds to DNA
DNA is transcribed by an enzyme called RNA polymerase. Specific nucleotide sequences tell RNA polymerase where to begin and where to end. RNA polymerase attaches to the DNA at a specific area called the promoter region.
•Elongation
Certain proteins called transcription factors unwind the DNA strand and allow RNA polymerase to transcribe only a single strand of DNA into a single stranded RNA polymer called messenger RNA (mRNA). The strand that serves as the template is called the antisense strand. The strand that is not transcribed is called the sense strand.
Like DNA, RNA is composed of nucleotide bases. RNA however, contains the nucleotides adenine, guanine, cytosine and uricil (U). When RNA polymerase transcribes the DNA, guanine pairs with cytosine and adenine pairs with uricil.
•Termination
RNA polymerase moves along the DNA until it reaches a terminator sequence. At that point, RNA polymerase releases the mRNA polymer and detaches from the DNA.
Since proteins are constructed in the cytoplasm of the cell by a process called translation, mRNA must cross the nuclear membrane to reach the cytoplasm. Once in the cytoplasm, mRNA along with ribosomes and another RNA molecule called transfer RNA, work together to produce proteins. Proteins can be manufactured in large quantities because a single DNA sequence can be transcribed by many RNA polymerase molecules at once.
DNA Transcription
(1) still fails.
Nothing in there supports your claim that nucleic acids are created by a 'mind' rather than a series of biochemical reactions.
(2) still fails.
And, as (3) is a conclusion based on the veracity of (1) and (2), (3) fails by default.
Well said, if my memory serves me right you're a christian correct?
....
)I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job..... The coding of DNA neither proves or disproves the existence of a god, I think the OP too often tries to claim every type of believer and non-believer are always on one particular side when it comes to a scientific discussion.
Nothing in there supports your claim in (1) that the sequence of nucleotides is a language.1. DNA IS a molecule. The pattern of that molecule is indeed a code for transcription. It is not a language, unless all codes are languages, and they are not.
Fail.
2. The sequence of the nucleotides in a strand of DNA is not determined by a mind, rather it is determined by a series of biochemical reactions in an organism.
Fail.
3. As (1) and (2) fail, (3) fails as well.
Wrong, if there is no information there is no science ?
Transcription of our DNA say's you're wrong and so do biologists.
.
DNA transcription is a process that involves the transcribing of genetic information from DNA to RNA. The transcribed DNA message is used to produce proteins. DNA is housed within the nucleus of our cells. It controls cellular activity by coding for the production of enzymes and proteins. The information in DNA is not directly converted into proteins, but must first be copied into RNA. This ensures that the information contained within the DNA does not become tainted.
DNA Transcription
DNA consists of four nucleotide bases [adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C) and thymine (T)] that are paired together (A-T and C-G) to give DNA its double helical shape.
There are three main steps to the process of DNA transcription. RNA Polymerase Binds to DNA
DNA is transcribed by an enzyme called RNA polymerase. Specific nucleotide sequences tell RNA polymerase where to begin and where to end. RNA polymerase attaches to the DNA at a specific area called the promoter region.
Elongation
Certain proteins called transcription factors unwind the DNA strand and allow RNA polymerase to transcribe only a single strand of DNA into a single stranded RNA polymer called messenger RNA (mRNA). The strand that serves as the template is called the antisense strand. The strand that is not transcribed is called the sense strand.
Like DNA, RNA is composed of nucleotide bases. RNA however, contains the nucleotides adenine, guanine, cytosine and uricil (U). When RNA polymerase transcribes the DNA, guanine pairs with cytosine and adenine pairs with uricil.
Termination
RNA polymerase moves along the DNA until it reaches a terminator sequence. At that point, RNA polymerase releases the mRNA polymer and detaches from the DNA.
Since proteins are constructed in the cytoplasm of the cell by a process called translation, mRNA must cross the nuclear membrane to reach the cytoplasm. Once in the cytoplasm, mRNA along with ribosomes and another RNA molecule called transfer RNA, work together to produce proteins. Proteins can be manufactured in large quantities because a single DNA sequence can be transcribed by many RNA polymerase molecules at once.
DNA Transcription
(1) still fails.
Nothing in there supports your claim that nucleic acids are created by a 'mind' rather than a series of biochemical reactions.
(2) still fails.
And, as (3) is a conclusion based on the veracity of (1) and (2), (3) fails by default.
No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.Nothing in there supports your claim in (1) that the sequence of nucleotides is a language.
(1) still fails.
Nothing in there supports your claim that nucleic acids are created by a 'mind' rather than a series of biochemical reactions.
(2) still fails.
And, as (3) is a conclusion based on the veracity of (1) and (2), (3) fails by default.
Well said, if my memory serves me right you're a christian correct?
....
I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job..... The coding of DNA neither proves or disproves the existence of a god, I think the OP too often tries to claim every type of believer and non-believer are always on one particular side when it comes to a scientific discussion.
Yup.Nothing in there supports your claim in (1) that the sequence of nucleotides is a language.Wrong, if there is no information there is no science ?
Transcription of our DNA say's you're wrong and so do biologists.
.
DNA transcription is a process that involves the transcribing of genetic information from DNA to RNA. The transcribed DNA message is used to produce proteins. DNA is housed within the nucleus of our cells. It controls cellular activity by coding for the production of enzymes and proteins. The information in DNA is not directly converted into proteins, but must first be copied into RNA. This ensures that the information contained within the DNA does not become tainted.
DNA Transcription
DNA consists of four nucleotide bases [adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C) and thymine (T)] that are paired together (A-T and C-G) to give DNA its double helical shape.
There are three main steps to the process of DNA transcription. RNA Polymerase Binds to DNA
DNA is transcribed by an enzyme called RNA polymerase. Specific nucleotide sequences tell RNA polymerase where to begin and where to end. RNA polymerase attaches to the DNA at a specific area called the promoter region.
Elongation
Certain proteins called transcription factors unwind the DNA strand and allow RNA polymerase to transcribe only a single strand of DNA into a single stranded RNA polymer called messenger RNA (mRNA). The strand that serves as the template is called the antisense strand. The strand that is not transcribed is called the sense strand.
Like DNA, RNA is composed of nucleotide bases. RNA however, contains the nucleotides adenine, guanine, cytosine and uricil (U). When RNA polymerase transcribes the DNA, guanine pairs with cytosine and adenine pairs with uricil.
Termination
RNA polymerase moves along the DNA until it reaches a terminator sequence. At that point, RNA polymerase releases the mRNA polymer and detaches from the DNA.
Since proteins are constructed in the cytoplasm of the cell by a process called translation, mRNA must cross the nuclear membrane to reach the cytoplasm. Once in the cytoplasm, mRNA along with ribosomes and another RNA molecule called transfer RNA, work together to produce proteins. Proteins can be manufactured in large quantities because a single DNA sequence can be transcribed by many RNA polymerase molecules at once.
DNA Transcription
(1) still fails.
Nothing in there supports your claim that nucleic acids are created by a 'mind' rather than a series of biochemical reactions.
(2) still fails.
And, as (3) is a conclusion based on the veracity of (1) and (2), (3) fails by default.
Do you really understand what transcription means ?
....
No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.Well said, if my memory serves me right you're a christian correct?
....
I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job..... The coding of DNA neither proves or disproves the existence of a god, I think the OP too often tries to claim every type of believer and non-believer are always on one particular side when it comes to a scientific discussion.
Oh ok gotcha, yeah i would think religion and whether or not a god exists never even enter the minds of you and your colleagues during your work.
If they did, they would get several sideways glances from the religious colleagues, too.No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.Nothing in there supports your claim in (1) that the sequence of nucleotides is a language.
(1) still fails.
Nothing in there supports your claim that nucleic acids are created by a 'mind' rather than a series of biochemical reactions.
(2) still fails.
And, as (3) is a conclusion based on the veracity of (1) and (2), (3) fails by default.
Well said, if my memory serves me right you're a christian correct?
....
I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job..... The coding of DNA neither proves or disproves the existence of a god, I think the OP too often tries to claim every type of believer and non-believer are always on one particular side when it comes to a scientific discussion.
Why?No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.Well said, if my memory serves me right you're a christian correct?
....
I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job..... The coding of DNA neither proves or disproves the existence of a god, I think the OP too often tries to claim every type of believer and non-believer are always on one particular side when it comes to a scientific discussion.
Define Neo Darwinism ?
No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.Well said, if my memory serves me right you're a christian correct?
....
I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job..... The coding of DNA neither proves or disproves the existence of a god, I think the OP too often tries to claim every type of believer and non-believer are always on one particular side when it comes to a scientific discussion.
Oh ok gotcha, yeah i would think religion and whether or not a god exists never even enter the minds of you and your colleagues during your work.
Why?No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.
I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job.
Define Neo Darwinism ?
Really. And how is that?Why?Define Neo Darwinism ?
Because you are trying to argue they're wrong.
Which presuppositions are those?No. Raised Roman Catholic, but I am an agnostic theist or just a theist, depending on the day. I never believed in Christ as the son of God. (Hope I'm not wrong, but I am what I am.
I have a doctorate in chemistry (specifically organic chemistry). I would hazard a guess that more than half of my colleagues are not atheists. But, they are scientists and they all practice science at the job.
Oh ok gotcha, yeah i would think religion and whether or not a god exists never even enter the minds of you and your colleagues during your work.
That is why their presuppositions are wrong. That is why they have glaring holes in the theory.
Why?Define Neo Darwinism ?
Because you are trying to argue they're wrong.
Which presuppositions are those?Oh ok gotcha, yeah i would think religion and whether or not a god exists never even enter the minds of you and your colleagues during your work.
That is why their presuppositions are wrong. That is why they have glaring holes in the theory.
Not exactly new, but fully supported by science.My views will need to be adjusted just a little. I will post the link where you can listen to the audio version which i enjoyed thouroughly or you can read the entire article.
New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God
A Seminal Presentation by Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross, given in South Barrington, Illinois, April 16, 1994
Hugh Ross - Origin of the Universe
This crap isnt supported by any Science. I was a born again Christian BTW. Nothing this guy said has any legitimate science to it. He making crap up and giving his opinion.
Why?
Because you are trying to argue they're wrong.
No..............he agreed with my post that showed evolution/natural selection/mutation was the reason gonorrhea had acquired pieces of human DNA.
So he's saying they're right, you're the one saying those who don't deny science are wrong.
If a scientist just accepted that everything is the result of random chance, then the scientist's job would be done. All peer-reviewed papers would be the same: "Look, more random chance."Which presuppositions are those?That is why their presuppositions are wrong. That is why they have glaring holes in the theory.
For removing the possibility that everything is the result of creation relying on random chance as the answer for how.
Horizontal gene transfer takes care of that.Because you are trying to argue they're wrong.
No..............he agreed with my post that showed evolution/natural selection/mutation was the reason gonorrhea had acquired pieces of human DNA.
So he's saying they're right, you're the one saying those who don't deny science are wrong.
Only some of their explanations. Let's not get derailed here.
Well if he understands the theory of evolution, he would understand that the Neo believer needs new information for Macro-evolution to be possible .and he would know they try to prove that information comes from mutations mistakes in the DNA.
