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Average numbers in the biggest show were enough. So bill owns 2 Super Bowl, Tom owns 5.years ? Bill taking a vacation. Tom didn’t. Without Bill Tom competes with the best every year. Bill didn’t play..Brady put up overall average numbers and was carried to Super Bowls by a legendary all-time defense.
He went through an entire playoffs without throwing a single TD pass and won a Super Bowl.
I think Tom showed how important he was after he left the Patriots and went to Tampa BayYes he played on some great teams.
Tampa Bay under Tom Brady was 32-18 with a SB. Care to guess what the pats without Tom were during this time or what the Bucks were before and after Tom.Brady put up overall average numbers and was carried to Super Bowls by a legendary all-time defense.
He went through an entire playoffs without throwing a single TD pass and won a Super Bowl.
Bill had a losing record without Tom the last four years, he had a losing record where ever he was head coach with out Tom Brady his entire coaching career.That’s not true.
The first 3 super bowls the Pats won there were a LOT of QB’s who could have been far more effective than Brady.
Brady’s best wide receiver was moss. Wes Welker was the second best.Branch was a solid WR with Brady, but not “great”
His best 2 seasons were 800-900 yds and 5-6 TD’s
Brady didn’t make WR’s great as much as a few other QBs did.
I was talking wide receivers. Gronk was probably Brady’s number one weaponGronkowski was a great TE.
Yup, Imo, Tom extended Randy’s career. He folded like a tent after the Pats. Same with Gronk . He only came back with Tom to win a Super Bowl, because he knew, it was about Tom, not Bill. Gronk when healthy opened up both the passing and running game.Brady’s best wide receiver was moss. Wes Welker was the second best.
Yup..over time , no one comes close.Brady’s best wide receiver was moss. Wes Welker was the second best.
| GP | REC | TGTS | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG | FD | FUM | LST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 16 | 29 | 0 | 434 | 15.0 | 0 | 47 | 20 | 0 | 0 |
| 16 | 67 | 99 | 687 | 10.3 | 1 | 38 | 33 | 0 | 0 |
| 16 | 112 | 145 | 1,175 | 10.5 | 8 | 42 | 65 | 2 | 0 |
| 16 | 111 | 150 | 1,165 | 10.5 | 3 | 64 | 57 | 1 | 1 |
| 14 | 123 | 162 | 1,348 | 11.0 | 4 | 58 | 71 | 1 | 0 |
| 15 | 86 | 122 | 848 | 9.9 | 7 | 35 | 47 | 0 | 0 |
| 16 | 122 | 172 | 1,569 | 12.9 | 9 | 99 | 77 | 0 | 0 |
| 16 | 118 | 174 | 1,354 | 11.5 | 6 | 59 | 72 | 2 | 1 |
| 13 | 73 | 110 | 778 | 10.7 | 10 | 33 | 49 | 0 | 0 |
| 14 | 49 | 64 | 464 | 9.5 | 2 | 39 | 24 | 0 | 0 |
| 8 | 13 | 22 | 102 | 7.8 | 0 | 14 | 5 | 0 | 0 |
| 174 | 903 | 1220 | 9,924 | 11.0 | 50 | 99 | 520 | 6 | 2 |
The greatest there has ever been.Gronkowski was a great TE.
And still maybe.The greatest there has ever been.
A woke DEI hireThe Patriots have hired Jerod Mayo to replace Bill Belichick as head coach. It didn't take very long for Robert Kraft to make a decision.
Jerod Mayo hired as Patriots coach after Bill Belichick exit
Bill Belichick’s replacement was on his staff.nypost.com
Belicheat was exposed as the overrated hack coach I always said he was once brady moved on.i always said fir several years once he no longer had brady he would be exposed fir the average as best coach he is.just like how Mike shannahan was not the great coach the media said he was when he winning with elway and then got exposed as being highly overrated once elway retired same thing happened to Belicheat.Belichick's success and ultimate downfall highlight the reality that even the best coaches are only as good as their players.
Before Brady and NE he had one winning season in five years as the cleveland browns coach,why is it the msm media in their babble that he is the greatest coach of all time never mentions that fact? Simple it destroys their narrative sense it proves it was all brady and very little belicheck.
Kelce is probably the better receiver.The greatest there has ever been.
Brady doesnt win nearly as many SB and maybe zero depending on which team drafts him. If he goes to the Browns no one knows his name.While it is true that Brady and Belichick needed each other and complimented each other, Belichick would not have won six Superbowls without Tom Brady. And a lot of my suspicions about the Pats operations over the last 22 years are starting to be confirmed. As with all dirty laundry that comes out after a breakup. Belichick didn't want star players on his team and didn't want to pay players their market value. When they had successes in their first few years, Kraft bought into it. Brady played along and was the good soldier for many years....until Bill made his first bumbling attempt to say that Brady was aging out after the 2010-2011 season. Well, they back into the Superbowl in 2012 and then Bill made an actual attempt to replace Brady by drafting Jimmy Garoppolo. We all know how that ended up. Brady takes them to four more Superbowls and they win three of them. Pats fans can actually thank Kraft for overriding Bill for the first time in their partnership when he nixed trading Brady.
The legacy of the Patriots was always supposed to be Bill Belichick. And only Bill Belichick. His players (who were paid less and were not superstars), his "system". He didn't need star players to win. He could plug anyone into his "system" and win. He wanted to prove he could win in the NFL with journeymen who were plugged into the right "system", in the right "culture". And he wanted to give the entire league the middle finger after he accomplished that.
But, as with all meglomaniacs, a lot of times, reality intrudes. There have been several articles published by Boston sports journalists and now one that I see on ESPN extra (I'm not gonna pay for it) that details the dysfunction and the downward spiral of the franchise after Bellichick finally convinced Kraft to let Brady go. Brady goes to the Bucs, and wins another Superbowl...and Kraft was PISSED! Above all else, Robert Kraft is about his image and being seen as not taking or accepting any blame. That was the beginning of the end.
If Pats fans think things are going to be any better next year, they are wrong. In fact, it may end up to worse. They screwed themselves royally with the dysfunction of the last couple of years.
Maybe. But probably not. Brady was a generational talent. The fact that Brady went to the Bucs and won another Superbowl with a coach not named Belichick would seem to put a big hole in your "theory". And he might have gone to another one had the Bucs defense not magically disappeared on the last drive vs the Rams the following year in the divisional round. The Manning brothers each won two in that time frame. And guess who Eli's wins were against?Brady doesnt win nearly as many SB and maybe zero depending on which team drafts him. If he goes to the Browns no one knows his name.
Conversely any number of QB's would have won at least 2-3 of those SB's Brady won with Belichick, early in the dynasty.
You’re chopping off massive context, and you ought to know better.Tampa Bay under Tom Brady was 32-18 with a SB. Care to guess what the pats without Tom were during this time or what the Bucks were before and after Tom.
Again…Care to tell us the record of Bill the last four years and any coach with as bad a record who is still coaching and not been fired.
You’re chopping off massive context, and you ought to know better.
The Pats run in the early 2000’s involved a HOF defense, HOF coaching, and an overall low scoring offense by Brady who didn’t turn the ball over and had occasional glimpses of being a great QB.
The later Pats run involved a mass exodus of coaching, spending tons of cap money kicking the can down the road, sacrificing draft picks to maintain a ln elite team.
Once Brady left, they didn’t pay anyone, they had inexperienced coaching besides Bill, they were drained bone dry because of all the resources they burned through to maintain the greatness.
You’re now trying to pretend all of that doesn’t exist to support Brady. It was like the Bulls in 1999 after Jordan/Pippen/Jackson left… It’s irresponsible to do so, but I guess if you have a narrative to spin you’ll ignore the whole story.
Maybe. But probably not. Brady was a generational talent. The fact that Brady went to the Bucs and won another Superbowl with a coach not named Belichick would seem to put a big hole in your "theory". And he might have gone to another one had the Bucs defense not magically disappeared on the last drive vs the Rams the following year in the divisional round. The Manning brothers each won two in that time frame. And guess who Eli's wins were against?
