Nato warns of all-out war with Russia in next 20 years.

[Silver Cat]

If Russia tries they would have to pull off a major coup. Like secretly destroying most of Europe or the USA in a sneak attack.

And with the current eyes all over Russia....it's not possible.

Really? Man, do you know how many SBIRS-HEO satellites are still active? Only two. And this means, that the Russians have plenty of possibilities for an out of blue attack, especially with our wishful-thinking decision-makers. Nothing has changed since 1941.
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W.D. Puleston, The Armed Forces of the Pacific, New Haven, Yale University Press, 1941, pp 116-117

The greatest danger from Japan, a surprise attack on the unguarded Pacific Fleet, lying at anchor in San Pedro Harbor, under peacetime conditions, has already been averted. The Pacific Fleet is at one of the strongest bases in the world - Pearl Harbor - practically bon a war footing and under a war regime. There will be no American Port Arthur.
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And we all know, what happened then.

 

[Silver Cat]

It's not a knee jerk reply. It's because I have visited the Slavic region and know the people and the politics of that area confirm what I've said.

Russia has more to fear from the USA and NATO than the USA and NATO does from Russia.
Russia can't hit us all....it can't destroy the whole world if it wants to conquer it.

The richest man/ruler of the garbage dump still lives in a pile of garbage.

Purrhic victories are not victories.

That's why they plan a counter-force attack and then, postattack coercion into peace (on their terms).

 

[JohnDB]

Of course they were Lol! what about the combat shovels

I understand the humor...
But
War is horrible in a lot of ways...it's kill or be killed most days. The amount of hate required to kill another person is very harmful to our psyche. Nobody is "OK" after combat. No one comes out unscathed.

So where "shovel " incidents take place...
It's one of those situations as described in the book Moby Dick:
"If his chest was a cannon he would have shot his heart at the beast".

If only those who wished to start wars were the ones who were on the Frontline every time there would be fewer of them and they would end much quicker than they currently seem to be able of ending. War is very "sanitized" and localized these days. Making it an almost spectator sporting event. However, it's people with futures and families that get to experience severe loss in EVERY CONFLICT.

Putin started this war...he can end it at any moment he wants.

 

[Deadstick]

I understand the humor...
But
War is horrible in a lot of ways...it's kill or be killed most days. The amount of hate required to kill another person is very harmful to our psyche. Nobody is "OK" after combat. No one comes out unscathed.

So where "shovel " incidents take place...
It's one of those situations as described in the book Moby Dick:
"If his chest was a cannon he would have shot his heart at the beast".

If only those who wished to start wars were the ones who were on the Frontline every time there would be fewer of them and they would end much quicker than they currently seem to be able of ending. War is very "sanitized" and localized these days. Making it an almost spectator sporting event. However, it's people with futures and families that get to experience severe loss in EVERY CONFLICT.

Putin started this war...he can end it at any moment he wants.

Putin didn't start the war, it was started when the US and its puppets supported a coup in 2014 and the murdering of people in Donbass started, yesterday people were killed when those Ukrainian Nazis shelled a market in Donetsk killing at least twenty five civilians, that has been happening for almost ten years.

 

[Litwin]

Biden's war .. his proxy war on the Russian front, and he needs to be concerned with Taiwan and China.

But this article is assuming that blind ambition is Russian goals. That would be a mistake. Russia is very fearful of a nuclear exchange. It would decimate them. Destroy any hope of a collective.
Russian Federation is built upon similar thoughts as America the melting pot. Russia has at least 9 different sub groups of people all united under "Russia" and that's not counting all the other ethnic groups that comprise Russia today. Independently in their past the 9 tribes all fought each other until they became united under Peter the Great.
They acquired many nations after WW2 and became the USSR. And they ultimately want them back....but they are not stupid either.
They make phoney claims regularly...and nobody seems to believe them except currently for the American Republican Party.
Not even their own people believe Russian government claims. But for whatever reason the Republicans seem bent on believing the phoney claims.

Russia is a paper tiger. No, we really don't want to tangle with them. And unless they force our hand we won't. We would much rather engage in trade than fight. But we can fight better than they if push comes to shove. We have much superior equipment and munitions. (Ukraine is only getting out of date equipment ready to retire but refurbished for sale...and they will pay for it eventually)

Now what has surprised everyone is the need for howitzer shells. And how many we really need for a war. HIMARS are great....but are subject somewhat to EW. Regular 155mm shells are really important and a huge stockpile of these really are important....into the millions of rounds of varying types and munitions.

"Shoot and scoot" has been very very useful in this war until it comes time for landmines....stacked 3 together. They have been a huge problem. One we haven't really solved. Where likely there is a solution....it probably isn't one we want to share.

^ This is being seriously discussed in the British media.

related , many far & left radicals are ready to give pootler "back" Alaska and California + 1/2 of EU :

After Crimea, Muscovites Say They Want Alaska Back

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[Ringo]

Putin wanted to takeover Ukraine so badly that he signed 2 Peace deals that didn't include Russia taking any land, and it was Ukraine under the advice of the West that didn't honor their word.

 

[Ringo]

 

[José]

Any taking down of Nato in the future
is not going to be by force of arms.

DONALD H​

Let's hope so, Don.

Here's to your prediction coming true.

 

[Ringo]

And where will the russians put so many tanks, airplanes, missiles and trained military personnel after the defeat of Ukraine, if they have increased their production 10 times?
I'm not asking about Poland, but in general....

 

[Ringo]

After Stalin, the Russians tried three times to join NATO.They believed it could contribute to a more stable world order, but the US consistently opposed it, as the powerful arms lobby in the US requires a significant adversary......

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Biden's war .. his proxy war on the Russian front, and he needs to be concerned with Taiwan and China.

False, of course. There is an entire western coalition.

 

[Ringo]

No one could defeat the USSR in a direct war - that’s absolutely certain. He was such a powerful power militarily that even alone he would have fought off the whole world and planted a red flag on the ashes of the Capitol. The USSR lost from within - and they are trying to repeat the same trick with the Russian Federation.

 

[BackAgain]

There's no possibility of Russia challenging a Nato country. That would be an escalation far beyond the established rules.

It has to be understood that Russia has no interest in expanding its territory, past what is necessary to establish border security against US led aggression.

Sure.

 

[Ringo]

The British media are horrified at the total unpreparedness of their army for war.

Who are you going to war with, you slouching islanders? What have you got besides stolen goods, poor medicine, freezing old people, and scum and arrogant behavior?

 

[zaangalewa]

The British media are horrified at the total unpreparedness of their army for war.

Who are you going to war with, you slouching islanders? What have you got besides stolen goods, poor medicine, freezing old people, and scum and arrogant behavior?

Be happy when they will not use their killer joke. That's why we lost world war 2.

 

[Baron]

Not in twenty, but in two - three years, after Russia get weakened in the war against former brothers

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The British media are horrified at the total unpreparedness of their army for war.

Who are you going to war with, you slouching islanders? What have you got besides stolen goods, poor medicine, freezing old people, and scum and arrogant behavior?

What are you showing your ass about? Russia's military has now been shown to be outdated, corrupt, and incompetent.

 

[Ringo]

Maps can't talk. But this one can. It can tell you more clearly about the causes of the civil war in Ukraine than the whole hordes of paid propagandists. But it will tell only those who know how to listen.

Let me explain, in case somebody didn't understand.
The blue ones are those who want to be with Russia and want to be Russians.
The red ones are those who do not want to be with Russia, but want to be Ukrainians.
In fairness, the ukrainians should have divided the country along this line and lived peacefully, but the reds did not want that. They tried to forcefully impose their will on the blue, but predictably ran their teeth into the blue fist. And now that's it, no one will divide anything fairly - that train has left. Now it will be divided by the right of the strong.

 

[ralfy]

It's what the war machine wants.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The blue ones are those who want to be with Russia and want to be Russians.

Lie.