Nader to Ryan: Time to Debate

[Toro]

Nader was paid $10,000,000 by the Bush campaign to run for President. Maybe he's angling for another payment.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I know who Ralph Nader is, but I am not so sure I understand why Paul Ryan alone should have the obligation to debate him.

Because there is no possible positive attribute and there is a tiny chance that it could hurt him.

So George thinks it's a peachy idea.

George is Edited.
No insults in the CDZ.

 

[kiwiman127]

Now that's a debate I'd love to see/hear! Nader is way too socialist for me but I sure the hell appreciate his intelligence and his understanding of the plutocratic overtones of Ryan's budget.
Being anti-plutocratic isn't socialist, it's being pro-Main Street America/Middle Class and finally pro-American.
Now I know that there are posters who have no problem sacrificing their own well-being, just so the wealthy can realize even more expendable income. They seriously believe in the trickle down philosophy.
But the fact of the matter is the best form of trickle down is jobs and jobs that pay the employees a livable wage. After over three decades of flat wages for working Americans who make up a huge majority of the consumer class, it's no wonder our economy is so very slow to recover. Over 70% of the US economy is driven by consumer spending and working Americans have less and less expendable income thanks to flat wages.
Who determines wages?
Who reaps the rewards for keeping wages flat while thickening their own billfolds/purses?
I wonder if Ryan gets lump in his throat whenever he tries to say the words,,,,Middle Class? To Ryan, the Middle Class are here to serve a purpose.. To work for low pay, to pay for his budget and to be good little serfs.

 

[Sarah G]

I just can't stand Ralph Nader anymore, he keeps inserting himself into the campaigns just to split the vote like Ron Paul.

He used to be a good debater, I wouldn't mind seeing him debate Ryan. Ryan will probably be arrogant and stupid enough to accept the challenge.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think Obama should debate Nader.

George, should Obama come out and debate Ralph on the right way to socialize the economy?

 

[georgephillip]

I think Obama should debate Nader.

George, should Obama come out and debate Ralph on the right way to socialize the economy?

I think 90% of US voters would have a much different perspective on the ways Republicans AND Democrats socialize the cost while privatizing the profits of this economy if Obama and Ryan answered questions from radicals on the left like Nader and Chomsky.

"radical (comparative more radical, superlative most radical)
Favouring fundamental change, or change at the root cause of a matter.
His beliefs are radical."

Can you name any fundamentalists on the right seeking change at the root of the US economy?

 

[Freemason9]

Actually, the debates will include the candidates with the most money.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nader should debate Biden on the Reality Sorkin Show "The Newsroom"

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think 90% of US voters would have a much different perspective on the ways Republicans AND Democrats socialize the cost while privatizing the profits of this economy if Obama and Ryan answered questions from radicals on the left like Nader and Chomsky.

Perhaps. But Chomsky is a dishonest coward. Rothbard tried to get the bastard to debate and he hid like a little girl.

I have a modicum more respect for Nadar.

"radical (comparative more radical, superlative most radical)
Favouring fundamental change, or change at the root cause of a matter.
His beliefs are radical."

Can you name any fundamentalists on the right seeking change at the root of the US economy?

The problem is, that debating fringe elements does nothing positive for any of the candidates.

Nader and Chomsky fail to spread their message because the nonsense they promote doesn't sit well with anyone other than a college freshman exposed only to leftist professors.

For those on the right, Hayek, Freidman, Rothbard, Rand, and Laffer were all successful in shaping economic policy because their ideas were rational and followed sound economic theory.

The rehashed Marxism of Chomsky or the bastardized Keynesian ideas of Krugman fail to motivate anyone with a modicum of knowledge or experience because they are know failures.

 

[Freemason9]

Hayek, Freidman, Rothbard, Rand, and Laffer all worked studiously to justify the base survival aspect of human psychology by creating economic considerations.

Chomsky was more involved in evolutionary ideas--assuming, of course, that modern humans are even capable of evolving more socially before the crushing horror of institutionalized greed and corruption (capitalism) destroys the fabric of civilization.

 

[Staidhup]

Ralph is a pathetic has been with an ego so large it simply will not allow him to retire into the sunset with grace.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hayek, Freidman, Rothbard, Rand, and Laffer all worked studiously to justify the base survival aspect of human psychology by creating economic considerations.

Chomsky was more involved in evolutionary ideas--assuming, of course, that modern humans are even capable of evolving more socially before the crushing horror of institutionalized greed and corruption (capitalism) destroys the fabric of civilization.

Socialism, 100% Fail.

Guaranteed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hayek, Freidman, Rothbard, Rand, and Laffer all worked studiously to justify the base survival aspect of human psychology by creating economic considerations.

Chomsky was more involved in evolutionary ideas--assuming, of course, that modern humans are even capable of evolving more socially before the crushing horror of institutionalized greed and corruption (capitalism) destroys the fabric of civilization.

Chomsky merely apes Marx. It's hardly evolutionary, revolutionary, nor original.

 

[georgephillip]

I think 90% of US voters would have a much different perspective on the ways Republicans AND Democrats socialize the cost while privatizing the profits of this economy if Obama and Ryan answered questions from radicals on the left like Nader and Chomsky.

Perhaps. But Chomsky is a dishonest coward. Rothbard tried to get the bastard to debate and he hid like a little girl.

I have a modicum more respect for Nadar.

"radical (comparative more radical, superlative most radical)
Favouring fundamental change, or change at the root cause of a matter.
His beliefs are radical."

Can you name any fundamentalists on the right seeking change at the root of the US economy?

The problem is, that debating fringe elements does nothing positive for any of the candidates.

Nader and Chomsky fail to spread their message because the nonsense they promote doesn't sit well with anyone other than a college freshman exposed only to leftist professors.

For those on the right, Hayek, Freidman, Rothbard, Rand, and Laffer were all successful in shaping economic policy because their ideas were rational and followed sound economic theory.

The rehashed Marxism of Chomsky or the bastardized Keynesian ideas of Krugman fail to motivate anyone with a modicum of knowledge or experience because they are know failures.

"Who's Afraid of Noam Chomsky"?

Do you have any links to that debate with Rothbard?
Chomsky hasn't displayed any fear of putting his life on the line for human rights from Selma to Area C.
What's the worst Murray could do, pout and cry over the outcome?

"The root cause of hostility to Chomsky does not lie in any labels such as ‘left’ and ‘right,’ and apologists for government everywhere consistently accuse the opponents of the state’s exercise of the territorial monopoly of violence of being unpatriotic.

"It comes down to his outstanding ability and undoubted willingness, in the interest of speaking truth to power in the field of intervention in other countries and the domination of subject peoples, to dissect the psychological processes which underlie the propaganda and the machinations of the apologists of state power – whatever political or ethnic quadrant they hail from."

Who's Afraid of Noam Chomsky?, by Richard Wall

With the exceptions of Hayak and Rothbard, those you mentioned on the right like Freidman, Rand, and Laffer were/are apologists of state/corporate power.

 

[georgephillip]

Nader was paid $10,000,000 by the Bush campaign to run for President. Maybe he's angling for another payment.

Is that more or less than Jeb Bush paid ChoicePoint in 2000?

ChoicePoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

heres a thought:

How about Ryan be required to debate his opponent.

Oh wait he IS going to debate Biden.

If the rest of those people want to debate Ryan, they should run against him or stfu.

I hate Paul Ryan but Nader isnt running for office and therefore is in no position to demand a debate.

Paul Ryan is going to clean Bidens clock in a debate, which isa shame, because Ryan is a piece of garbage hypocrite whos lived off the taxpayers since before he graduated high school. He is the epitome of entitlement programs breeding success and then wants to deny others access to the very programs that put him where he is today. What a fuckhead Paul Ryan is.

And Nader still isnt in a position to demand anything from him.

Biden and Ryan are NOT debating one another.
They're taking part in a scripted panel discussion where neither is required to prove anything.
That's how each wing of the Wall Street Party "debates".
They collaborate on behalf of the richest 1% of voters.
Ralph wants Ryan to defend his budget on national television before the election.
Ryan would probably prefer to avoid that indignity.

Lmao you think Nader is different

Ralph's difference lies in the questions he's asking about Ryan's budget, like this one:

"His 'block grant plan alone would lead states to drop between 14 and 27 million people (the poor and those with disabilities) from Medicaid by 2021,' according to the Urban Institute."

If Ryan had to defend that block grant on national television against an economist like Richard Wolff or Paul Krugman or Dean Baker, we would all be in a much better position to judge whether Ryan or the Urban Institute is telling the truth.

That's what Nader's calling for, and he's right (again) for doing so.

Ryan

 

[Uncensored2008]

"Who's Afraid of Noam Chomsky"?

Do you have any links to that debate with Rothbard?
Chomsky hasn't displayed any fear of putting his life on the line for human rights from Selma to Area C.
What's the worst Murray could do, pout and cry over the outcome?

"The root cause of hostility to Chomsky does not lie in any labels such as ‘left’ and ‘right,’ and apologists for government everywhere consistently accuse the opponents of the state’s exercise of the territorial monopoly of violence of being unpatriotic.

"It comes down to his outstanding ability and undoubted willingness, in the interest of speaking truth to power in the field of intervention in other countries and the domination of subject peoples, to dissect the psychological processes which underlie the propaganda and the machinations of the apologists of state power – whatever political or ethnic quadrant they hail from."

Who's Afraid of Noam Chomsky?, by Richard Wall

With the exceptions of Hayak and Rothbard, those you mentioned on the right like Freidman, Rand, and Laffer were/are apologists of state/corporate power.

Chomsky hated Professor Rothbard. He describes Murray Rothbard's vision of a libertarian society as "so full of hate that no human being would want to live in it."

Rothbard fired back, but Chomsky merely vanished.

Chomsky's Economics - James Ostrowski - Mises Daily

Chomsky was and is a simpering Marxist. He advocates state ownership of the means of production - seeking to remove all private property and property rights from the people. Like Marx, Chomsky claims that a collective ownership will magically appear out of the totalitarian state he advocates.

{If capital is privately controlled, then people are going to have to rent themselves in order to survive. Now, you can say, "they rent themselves freely, it's a free contract"—but that's a joke. If your choice is, "do what I tell you or starve," that's not a choice—it's in fact what was commonly referred to as wage slavery in more civilized times, like the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, for example.

The American version of "libertarianism" is an aberration, though—nobody really takes it seriously. I mean, everybody knows that a society that worked by American libertarian principles would self-destruct in three seconds. }

Chomsky on libertarianism and Murray Rothbard | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution

The moron Communist Chomsky spews venom at Libertarianism, Rothbard, and civil liberty at every turn.

Fun Chomsky quotes:

“One might argue, at least I would argue, that council communism... is the natural form of revolutionary socialism in an industrial society.”
(Government in the Future [Seven Stories Press, 2005], p. 27)

In case anyone missed that the simpering fucker is a Communist.

“if we ever get anything like a kind of just society, things like my standard of living may very well not exist. In that sense, there will be, I think, material deprivation in some manner for a large part of the population. And I think there ought to be.”
(Interview, Black Rose, No. 1, 1974)

What a guy, he only wants us to suffer and starve.

“the evacuation of Phnom Penh, widely denounced at the time and since for its undoubted brutality, may actually have saved many lives. It is striking that the crucial facts rarely appear in the chorus of condemnations.”
(After the Cataclysm [South End Press, 1979], p. 160)

Noam's a Pol Pot supporter - gee what a surprise...

ON 9/11...

“for the first time in history the victims are returning the blow to the motherland.”
(La Jornada, Mexico, September 15, 2001)

What a pile of shit - what more can anyone say about the puke?

 

[georgephillip]

heres a thought:

How about Ryan be required to debate his opponent.

Oh wait he IS going to debate Biden.

If the rest of those people want to debate Ryan, they should run against him or stfu.

I hate Paul Ryan but Nader isnt running for office and therefore is in no position to demand a debate.

Paul Ryan is going to clean Bidens clock in a debate, which isa shame, because Ryan is a piece of garbage hypocrite whos lived off the taxpayers since before he graduated high school. He is the epitome of entitlement programs breeding success and then wants to deny others access to the very programs that put him where he is today. What a fuckhead Paul Ryan is.

And Nader still isnt in a position to demand anything from him.

Biden and Ryan are NOT debating one another.
They're taking part in a scripted panel discussion where neither is required to prove anything.
That's how each wing of the Wall Street Party "debates".
They collaborate on behalf of the richest 1% of voters.
Ralph wants Ryan to defend his budget on national television before the election.
Ryan would probably prefer to avoid that indignity.

If Ralph wants to debate Ryan, the Ralph should run for office or as I so eloquently put it before, stfu.

Ralph Nader doesnt get to interfere with our election process just because he has yet another stray grey hair up his ass.


Did Nader issue the challenge BEFORE or AFTER Ryan was named the VP candidate?

After? Hmmm....what does that tell you?

When all else fails...read the link.

"Representative Paul Ryan July 12, 2011
Chairman House Budget Committee
1233 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515..."

http://nader.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/letter_paulryan.pdf

The above is the first of three letters Ralph sent to Ryan.
What do you suppose Ryan's afraid of...?

 

[bobcollum]

It's pretty obvious debating Nader would dismantle whatever reputation the budget proposal garnered for Ryan amongst staunch fiscal Conservatives.

Ralph would destroy him.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's pretty obvious debating Nader would dismantle whatever reputation the budget proposal garnered for Ryan amongst staunch fiscal Conservatives.

True, just like Obama debating Octomom would destroy your little tin Messiah®'s reputation.

Ralph would destroy him.

Octomom would destroy Obama.

In all fairness, I'm not claiming that Nader has as much credibility as Octomom.