Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker

[paulitician]

The Planet warms, the Planet cools. It's just the way it is, and always will be. So i'll take my chances with 'Global Warming', rather than with the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots. I value my Freedom & Liberty far more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

 

[hadit]

More ice and colder weather is proof of warming.

 

[hadit]

The Planet warms, the Planet cools. It's just the way it is, and always will be. So i'll take my chances with 'Global Warming', rather than with the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots. I value my Freedom & Liberty far more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

Since we can't stop or reverse what's going to happen no matter what we do, wouldn't it be smarter to be prepared to adapt to change?

 

[paulitician]

Just ban light bulbs and toilets. And then go back to the horse & carriage. Problem solved.

Yeah, no thanks. I fear the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots much more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

 

[Old Rocks]

Really? Have the glaciers ceased to retreat? Has the oceans cooled? And in that 15 years, what has happened to the ice in the Arctic?

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png

Did it ever occur to you global warming IDIOTS that the reason there is less sea ice is because THERE IS MORE OF IT AT THE ARTIC???

DUH! This is why liberalism hates common sense. Because common sense will tell you if the ice is thickening at the Artic, there is LESS OF IT BREAKING OFF TO BECOME SEA ICE!

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!

Same conditions happened during the Ice Age. That's why there were grasslands where there are now oceans. When it warmed up, the ice broke up, melted and became oceans.

It's not breaking up right now, because it's thickening. And guess what, when it melted, we didn't get a water world, there's still plenty of land left to go around.

Calm your chicken little act down.

Breaking off from where, you stupid ass. There is less Arctic Sea Ice because where there used to be ice that was 4 and 5 years old, there is only ice that is one winter old. Here is what is really happening to the Arctic Ice;

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordp...volume/BPIOMASIceVolumeAnomalyCurrentV2.1.png

We are not worried about some mythical water world, your silliness, we are worried about a one meter rise that would render most of the port structure the world over inoperable. That rise will come from the melt off of Greenland and Antarctica. And, before you say it, the continent is losing ice at the same time as the sea ice around Anarctica is growing.

BBC News - Esa s Cryosat mission sees Antarctic ice losses double

The new assessment comes from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft, which has a radar instrument specifically designed to measure the shape of the ice sheet.

The melt loss from the White Continent is sufficient to push up global sea levels by around 0.43mm per year.

Scientists report the data in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

The new study incorporates three years of measurements from 2010 to 2013, and updates a synthesis of observations made by other satellites over the period 2005 to 2010.

Incredible rate of polar ice loss alarms scientists Environment The Observer

The planet's two largest ice sheets – in Greenland and Antarctica – are now being depleted at an astonishing rate of 120 cubic miles each year. That is the discovery made by scientists using data from CryoSat-2, the European probe that has been measuring the thickness of Earth's ice sheets and glaciers since it was launched by the European Space Agency in 2010.

Even more alarming, the rate of loss of ice from the two regions has more than doubled since 2009, revealing the dramatic impact thatclimate change is beginning to have on our world.

 

[Old Rocks]

Just ban light bulbs and toilets. And then go back to the horse & carriage. Problem solved.

Yeah, no thanks. I fear the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots much more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

Just resort to extreme idiocy and consider that an answer. You are a certified fool.

 

[Old Rocks]

The Planet warms, the Planet cools. It's just the way it is, and always will be. So i'll take my chances with 'Global Warming', rather than with the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots. I value my Freedom & Liberty far more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

Since we can't stop or reverse what's going to happen no matter what we do, wouldn't it be smarter to be prepared to adapt to change?

Of course. But then, that involves admitting there is a problem, and then you have to consider the source of the problem. Not going to happen until the situation is irreversibly catastrophic.

 

[paulitician]

Just ban light bulbs and toilets. And then go back to the horse & carriage. Problem solved.

Yeah, no thanks. I fear the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots much more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

Just resort to extreme idiocy and consider that an answer. You are a certified fool.

Like i said, i value my Freedom & Liberty far more than i fear 'Global Warming.' So no thanks, i'll have to oppose Communist/Socialist Warming zealotry. That's just how i feel anyway.

 

[Mac1958]

Since we can't stop or reverse what's going to happen no matter what we do, wouldn't it be smarter to be prepared to adapt to change?

Stop making sense.

It's much easier to point the finger.

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[konradv]

More ice and colder weather is proof of warming.

Typical response of someone parroting what they've heard and not really understanding the issue.

 

[konradv]

Since we can't stop or reverse what's going to happen no matter what we do, wouldn't it be smarter to be prepared to adapt to change?

Stop making sense.

It's much easier to point the finger.

How are they making sense? Where's the proof what they've said is true? If GHG emissions have raised temps, why wouldn't lowering them do the reverse?

 

[Old Rocks]

Since we can't stop or reverse what's going to happen no matter what we do, wouldn't it be smarter to be prepared to adapt to change?

Stop making sense.

It's much easier to point the finger.

.

Point is, at what point do the changes cease to be adaptable to? Photosynthesis cease at 104 F. Rapid climate change involves changes which will make agriculture difficult, in a world with over 7 billion mouths to feed. Sea level rise will render much of the present sea port structure unuseable. Violent storms will destroy other infrastructure. How much can we adapt to?

 

[Old Rocks]

Just ban light bulbs and toilets. And then go back to the horse & carriage. Problem solved.

Yeah, no thanks. I fear the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots much more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

Just resort to extreme idiocy and consider that an answer. You are a certified fool.

Like i said, i value my Freedom & Liberty far more than i fear 'Global Warming.' So no thanks, i'll have to oppose Communist/Socialist Warming zealotry. That's just how i feel anyway.

OK. Nice emotional response. Does not address the problem in any way, but if it is carthetic, I guess that is enough for a 'Conservative'.

 

[paulitician]

Just ban light bulbs and toilets. And then go back to the horse & carriage. Problem solved.

Yeah, no thanks. I fear the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots much more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

Just resort to extreme idiocy and consider that an answer. You are a certified fool.

Like i said, i value my Freedom & Liberty far more than i fear 'Global Warming.' So no thanks, i'll have to oppose Communist/Socialist Warming zealotry. That's just how i feel anyway.

OK. Nice emotional response. Does not address the problem in any way, but if it is carthetic, I guess that is enough for a 'Conservative'.

Actually, it does address the problem. I will continue opposing you Communist/Socialist Warming zealots. You're a bigger problem as far as i'm concerned. I value my Freedom & Liberty. I have no problem fighting for it.

 

[healthmyths]

Well, pottysammy, the sea ice is right now, with a couple of weeks yet to go in the melt season, eighth lowest on record. And all eight years have been the last eight years.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

As for the rest of your nonsensical rant, you know where you can shove it. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University on this planer has policy statements saying that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. All ignorant assholes like you have is flap-yap and lies. Grow up.

"on this planer"???
Your simple error in spelling is a perfect example of the lack of attention to detail "globawarmingevangelistas" exhibit and one of the reasons intelligent people are skeptical about this "global warming" excitement.

Little details like this:

The basis of "global warming" theory has been these 11,000 weather stations around the world have shown temperature increases right?

So again explain to a novice like me :
Feds close 600 weather stations amid criticism they're situated to report warming thanks to temperature readings from sweltering parking lots, airports and other locations that distort the true state of the climate.
Indeed, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has closed some 600 out of nearly 9,000 weather stations over the past two years that it has deemed problematic or unnecessary, after a long campaign by one critic highlighting the problem of using unreliable data.
The agency says the closures will help improve gathering of weather data, but critics like meterologist and blogger Anthony Watts say it is too little, too late.
Distorted data Feds close 600 weather stations amid criticism they re situated to report warming Fox News
There are over 11,000 weather stations around the world measuring land, air and sea temperatures, as well as satellites, ships and aircraft that also take measurements. Climate Observation Networks and Systems WMO

and this FACT...
when "The number of [Siberian] stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and then decreased to 12 from 1989 to present only four (4) stations, those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations…The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass.
The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.
Climategatekeeping Siberia Climate Audit

So explain to me if 12.5% of the land mass' temperatures WERE NOT included, why wouldn't the temperatures be skewed higher?

Just say there was a way to add in those weather stations in 12.5% of the Earth's land mass that wasn't included AND remove those 600 stations due to distorted temperatures.
What would be then the average increase over the past 100 years?

Human errors
Finally prior to satellites and digital temperature systems a minor detail such as how mercury temperatures were read seems to be forgotten.
See humans make errors in reading temperatures but that's ok no one is perfect.
BUT when 11,000 temperature reading stations around the world before digital thermometers existed these readings were prone to errors. sometimes a degree or two off.
And these readings (before computers) were written down and digits transposed, passed on to be written down (transposed) again... so we have human errors.

When you look at the FACTS where reading stations were located
and in the case of Siberia NOT located,
and the FACTS NOAA removed because of bias
AND the facts humans make errors in reading and writing and re-entry errors before computers.. don't you and your ilk that have demonstrated this lack of attention to details .."planer???" understand be a little more skeptical as the rest of us that are human
and realize inattention to little details....."planer???" have a way of getting in the way?

Little details... spelling errors .."planer???" ... transposing errors, location errors... all of them do add up!

 

[Silhouette]

The Planet warms, the Planet cools. It's just the way it is, and always will be. So i'll take my chances with 'Global Warming', rather than with the Communist/Socialist Global Warming zealots. I value my Freedom & Liberty far more than i fear 'Global Warming.'

Since we can't stop or reverse what's going to happen no matter what we do, wouldn't it be smarter to be prepared to adapt to change?

Yes and we should keep burning fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow because if the climate change keeps getting worse, for most of us there literally will be no tomorrow.

Party on!

 

[HenryBHough]

Yes and we should keep burning fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow because if the climate change keeps getting worse, for most of us there literally will be no tomorrow.

Now tell us about the downside to that.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Well, pottysammy, the sea ice is right now, with a couple of weeks yet to go in the melt season, eighth lowest on record. And all eight years have been the last eight years.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

As for the rest of your nonsensical rant, you know where you can shove it. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University on this planer has policy statements saying that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. All ignorant assholes like you have is flap-yap and lies. Grow up.

There was once a time when the common perception among many that the earth was flat, until such beliefs were later challenged.

 

[paulitician]

Most are completely over the Communist/Socialist Warming zealots. No one wants them telling them which light bulbs they can use, or how many times they can flush their toilets. Most would much rather take their chances with the 'Global Warming' instead. I know i feel that way. So bring on the 'Global Warming', and to hell with the Communist Warming zealots. I'm ready.

 

[healthmyths]

Contrary to popular belief, the melting of the polar ice caps (ice floating on water in the Arctic Ocean and Antarctic Seas) is not contributing directly to any raises in sea level and never will cause any rises in sea level.
This is because the volume of water that the ice in the polar ice caps occupies is equal to the volume of water created when this ice melts so that there is no change in the water volume due to melting. In other words, if you place an ice cube in a glass of water and measure the volume of water in that glass, and then let the ice cube melt and re-measure the volume of water in the glass, the volume of water will not have risen (in fact, the water volume may have decreased slightly because the water is colder after the ice melted than before it melted and cold water contracts).
However, polar ice floating on the oceans helps keep glaciers and ice sheets on land cool and hold them in place. The melting of ocean ice in Greenland and Antarctica is thought to increase the rate of glaciers melting on the land behind them and raise the sea level.
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