My son may have ADHD

[eots]

Scarecrow much?

Try to focus on the subject......interesting this seems to be your issue in a thread about ADHD.

you where the one that invoked the value of psychatic crendenitials I am just putting that in prespective with some simple facts..something you clearly have difficulty with

Ok,


I agree with your "psychatic credentials"

a typo well you won that debate...not...

 

[eots]

Ok,


I agree with your "psychatic credentials"

ADHD Is Over-Diagnosed, Experts Say

Mar. 30, 2012 — What experts and the public have already long suspected is now supported by representative data collected by researchers at Ruhr-Universität Bochum (RUB) and University of Basel: ADHD, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, is over-diagnosed. The study showed that child and adolescent psychotherapists and psychiatrists tend to give a diagnosis based on heuristics, unclear rules of thumb, rather than adhering to recognized diagnostic criteria. Boys in particular are substantially more often misdiagnosed compared to girls.

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Science Daily

No one ever disputed that it was over diagnosed.

What was in dispute was the moronic position that it simply did not exist.

it does not exists as a medical condition..it is a non-existent brain disorder
and i have not said otherwise..there a personality we describe with words like hyper..of course all kinds of complex personalities exists..but they are not medical conditions

there is zero evidence that ADHA exists..not a shred of evidence it is a neurological disorder and you have not provided anything that proves otherwise

 

[eots]

The National Institute of Health held a Conference on ADD/ADHD. At the end of this conference they issued this statement:

“We do not have an independent, valid test for ADD/ADHD and there are no data to indicate that ADD/ADHD is due to a brain malfunction.”

That was in 1998. In 2008 the situation is unchanged. No objectively verifiable diagnosis for ADHD exists, and there is still no proof whatsoever that ADHD is caused by a brain malfunction. What is presented as proof of a brain malfunction is a philosophical malfunction. Nobody can state that there is a “chemical imbalance in the brain” if there is no standard “chemical balance.”

ADD & ADHD Diagnosis | Why Doctors Second Opinion is Needed

 

[Barb]

I had a meeting with my son's teacher's and school psychologist, and they recommended I take him to a pediatrician that specializes in ADHD etc to be tested for ADHD. Many of you have might already know I have had my son in special programs since before he was two, and that they had diagnosed him with a sensory perception disorder when all this first started.

II have read some on it, but not a lot. The whole thing is scary at this point, for one I have no clue how I feel about medication, how to treat it, and even the diagnoses of ADHD. Feedback, recommendations, stories would be great. Thanks.

I'm sorry.

Here's what I would do...that's all I'm saying, and I could be totally wrong if I were to do it. Knowing that teachers LOVE chemically restraining children who cause them more work than they would prefer, the LAST thing I would do is take your cutie to the MD they recommend.

Talk to your boy's pediatrician for a reference for an examination, if you have good confidence in your pediatrician. If not, do some research on line, talk to trusted friends and neighbors, etc.

But, no; I would not take him to the 'specialist" the school recommends...last thing I would do.

I agree with Si completely.

ADHD does exist, but there are better methods of dealing with it besides drugging our kids into zombies, and his family pediatrician might be your best defense against over-medication, with the attendant family court drama of (having the audacity to decide you don't like the results after the fact) trying to take him off the medication once it's prescribed, getting an accurate diagnosis of his issues, a realistic and least intrusive treatment plan, and an idea of when they might subside (sometimes they do).

And don't let them keep him in special classes longer than he needs to be. These kids are most often highly intelligent, and they get bored as hell (and pretty annoyed) without any mental challenges all day.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I had a meeting with my son's teacher's and school psychologist, and they recommended I take him to a pediatrician that specializes in ADHD etc to be tested for ADHD. Many of you have might already know I have had my son in special programs since before he was two, and that they had diagnosed him with a sensory perception disorder when all this first started.

II have read some on it, but not a lot. The whole thing is scary at this point, for one I have no clue how I feel about medication, how to treat it, and even the diagnoses of ADHD. Feedback, recommendations, stories would be great. Thanks.

If I was you I'd be pretty damn sure before I started down the road of medication. You know your son, trust your own instincts would be the right path no matter what the so-called professionals and educators say. Just don't allow them to make you feel guilty when in your heart you believe otherwise, be strong for your son..

Somehow, I believe you were a bit of a precocious, distracted and maybe a bit of a troublemaker as a kid..if so..that is the person you were meant to be..Good Luck..

 

[eots]

I had a meeting with my son's teacher's and school psychologist, and they recommended I take him to a pediatrician that specializes in ADHD etc to be tested for ADHD. Many of you have might already know I have had my son in special programs since before he was two, and that they had diagnosed him with a sensory perception disorder when all this first started.

II have read some on it, but not a lot. The whole thing is scary at this point, for one I have no clue how I feel about medication, how to treat it, and even the diagnoses of ADHD. Feedback, recommendations, stories would be great. Thanks.

I'm sorry.

Here's what I would do...that's all I'm saying, and I could be totally wrong if I were to do it. Knowing that teachers LOVE chemically restraining children who cause them more work than they would prefer, the LAST thing I would do is take your cutie to the MD they recommend.

Talk to your boy's pediatrician for a reference for an examination, if you have good confidence in your pediatrician. If not, do some research on line, talk to trusted friends and neighbors, etc.

But, no; I would not take him to the 'specialist" the school recommends...last thing I would do.

I agree with Si completely.

ADHD does exist, but there are better methods of dealing with it besides drugging our kids into zombies, and his family pediatrician might be your best defense against over-medication, with the attendant family court drama of (having the audacity to decide you don't like the results after the fact) trying to take him off the medication once it's prescribed, getting an accurate diagnosis of his issues, a realistic and least intrusive treatment plan, and an idea of when they might subside (sometimes they do).

And don't let them keep him in special classes longer than he needs to be. These kids are most often highly intelligent, and they get bored as hell (and pretty annoyed) without any mental challenges all day.

and on what do you base your belief that a brain disorder called ADHD exists??

 

[Barb]

I'm sorry.

Here's what I would do...that's all I'm saying, and I could be totally wrong if I were to do it. Knowing that teachers LOVE chemically restraining children who cause them more work than they would prefer, the LAST thing I would do is take your cutie to the MD they recommend.

Talk to your boy's pediatrician for a reference for an examination, if you have good confidence in your pediatrician. If not, do some research on line, talk to trusted friends and neighbors, etc.

But, no; I would not take him to the 'specialist" the school recommends...last thing I would do.

I agree with Si completely.

ADHD does exist, but there are better methods of dealing with it besides drugging our kids into zombies, and his family pediatrician might be your best defense against over-medication, with the attendant family court drama of (having the audacity to decide you don't like the results after the fact) trying to take him off the medication once it's prescribed, getting an accurate diagnosis of his issues, a realistic and least intrusive treatment plan, and an idea of when they might subside (sometimes they do).

And don't let them keep him in special classes longer than he needs to be. These kids are most often highly intelligent, and they get bored as hell (and pretty annoyed) without any mental challenges all day.

and on what do you base your belief that a brain disorder called ADHD exists??

Experience. I'm not sure I'd call it a brain disorder rather than neurological damage that produces various symptoms and troubles, sometimes the mix of behaviors add up to a clinical diagnoses of ADHD, other times it's oppositional-defiant disorder, and in extreme cases it can be autism. In my son's case: speech delay, difficulty focusing, and an almost complete inability to apply the brakes on his behavior when he was young, but my older brother was one of the first cases treated with ritalin (I don't like that stuff), and my son developed problems after a triple dose of vaccines (and I'm not getting into the whole argument over thimerserol (sp?) again, I saw what I saw and it is what it is). I told the teachers who wanted him drugged to piss off, gave him coffee every morning, and he was fine. He graduated with a regents diploma from HS, and he's making more money than me at this point.

 

[eots]

I agree with Si completely.

ADHD does exist, but there are better methods of dealing with it besides drugging our kids into zombies, and his family pediatrician might be your best defense against over-medication, with the attendant family court drama of (having the audacity to decide you don't like the results after the fact) trying to take him off the medication once it's prescribed, getting an accurate diagnosis of his issues, a realistic and least intrusive treatment plan, and an idea of when they might subside (sometimes they do).

And don't let them keep him in special classes longer than he needs to be. These kids are most often highly intelligent, and they get bored as hell (and pretty annoyed) without any mental challenges all day.

and on what do you base your belief that a brain disorder called ADHD exists??

Experience. I'm not sure I'd call it a brain disorder rather than neurological damage that produces various symptoms and troubles, sometimes the mix of behaviors add up to a clinical diagnoses of ADHD, other times it's oppositional-defiant disorder, and in extreme cases it can be autism. In my son's case: speech delay, difficulty focusing, and an almost complete inability to apply the brakes on his behavior when he was young, but my older brother was one of the first cases treated with ritalin (I don't like that stuff), and my son developed problems after a triple dose of vaccines (and I'm not getting into the whole argument over thimerserol (sp?) again, I saw what I saw and it is what it is). I told the teachers who wanted him drugged to piss off, gave him coffee every morning, and he was fine. He graduated with a regents diploma from HS, and he's making more money than me at this point.

if it was due to brain damage why is there zero evidence of brain damage ?

 

[Barb]

and on what do you base your belief that a brain disorder called ADHD exists??

Experience. I'm not sure I'd call it a brain disorder rather than neurological damage that produces various symptoms and troubles, sometimes the mix of behaviors add up to a clinical diagnoses of ADHD, other times it's oppositional-defiant disorder, and in extreme cases it can be autism. In my son's case: speech delay, difficulty focusing, and an almost complete inability to apply the brakes on his behavior when he was young, but my older brother was one of the first cases treated with ritalin (I don't like that stuff), and my son developed problems after a triple dose of vaccines (and I'm not getting into the whole argument over thimerserol (sp?) again, I saw what I saw and it is what it is). I told the teachers who wanted him drugged to piss off, gave him coffee every morning, and he was fine. He graduated with a regents diploma from HS, and he's making more money than me at this point.

if it was due to brain damage why is there zero evidence of brain damage ?

I don't pretend to be a doctor, Eots, I only know what I've experienced in this area and what I've looked up because of it.

Why so doggedly confrontational about it though?

 

[Lumpy 1]

I agree with Si completely.

ADHD does exist, but there are better methods of dealing with it besides drugging our kids into zombies, and his family pediatrician might be your best defense against over-medication, with the attendant family court drama of (having the audacity to decide you don't like the results after the fact) trying to take him off the medication once it's prescribed, getting an accurate diagnosis of his issues, a realistic and least intrusive treatment plan, and an idea of when they might subside (sometimes they do).

And don't let them keep him in special classes longer than he needs to be. These kids are most often highly intelligent, and they get bored as hell (and pretty annoyed) without any mental challenges all day.

and on what do you base your belief that a brain disorder called ADHD exists??

Experience. I'm not sure I'd call it a brain disorder rather than neurological damage that produces various symptoms and troubles, sometimes the mix of behaviors add up to a clinical diagnoses of ADHD, other times it's oppositional-defiant disorder, and in extreme cases it can be autism. In my son's case: speech delay, difficulty focusing, and an almost complete inability to apply the brakes on his behavior when he was young, but my older brother was one of the first cases treated with ritalin (I don't like that stuff), and my son developed problems after a triple dose of vaccines (and I'm not getting into the whole argument over thimerserol (sp?) again, I saw what I saw and it is what it is). I told the teachers who wanted him drugged to piss off, gave him coffee every morning, and he was fine. He graduated with a regents diploma from HS, and he's making more money than me at this point.

Yup.. that's my kinda Mom

 

[eots]

Experience. I'm not sure I'd call it a brain disorder rather than neurological damage that produces various symptoms and troubles, sometimes the mix of behaviors add up to a clinical diagnoses of ADHD, other times it's oppositional-defiant disorder, and in extreme cases it can be autism. In my son's case: speech delay, difficulty focusing, and an almost complete inability to apply the brakes on his behavior when he was young, but my older brother was one of the first cases treated with ritalin (I don't like that stuff), and my son developed problems after a triple dose of vaccines (and I'm not getting into the whole argument over thimerserol (sp?) again, I saw what I saw and it is what it is). I told the teachers who wanted him drugged to piss off, gave him coffee every morning, and he was fine. He graduated with a regents diploma from HS, and he's making more money than me at this point.

if it was due to brain damage why is there zero evidence of brain damage ?

I don't pretend to be a doctor, Eots, I only know what I've experienced in this area and what I've looked up because of it.

Why so doggedly confrontational about it though?

It is not sound reasoning to take a group of subjective behaviors then draw the conclusion it is the result of illness and it is very dangerous..children are being drugged in record numbers and those numbers are constantly growing..all based on a fraud not supported by evidence

 

[Luissa]

I had a meeting with my son's teacher's and school psychologist, and they recommended I take him to a pediatrician that specializes in ADHD etc to be tested for ADHD. Many of you have might already know I have had my son in special programs since before he was two, and that they had diagnosed him with a sensory perception disorder when all this first started.

II have read some on it, but not a lot. The whole thing is scary at this point, for one I have no clue how I feel about medication, how to treat it, and even the diagnoses of ADHD. Feedback, recommendations, stories would be great. Thanks.

If I was you I'd be pretty damn sure before I started down the road of medication. You know your son, trust your own instincts would be the right path no matter what the so-called professionals and educators say. Just don't allow them to make you feel guilty when in your heart you believe otherwise, be strong for your son..

Somehow, I believe you were a bit of a precocious, distracted and maybe a bit of a troublemaker as a kid..if so..that is the person you were meant to be..Good Luck..

I actually wasn't much of a trouble maker, that didn't happen until later.

 

[eots]

 

[Barb]

if it was due to brain damage why is there zero evidence of brain damage ?

I don't pretend to be a doctor, Eots, I only know what I've experienced in this area and what I've looked up because of it.

Why so doggedly confrontational about it though?

It is not sound reasoning to take a group of subjective behaviors then draw the conclusion it is the result of illness and it is very dangerous..children are being drugged in record numbers and those numbers are constantly growing..all based on a fraud not supported by evidence

So, there are no such things as personality disorders of any kind that respond to medication? Don't get me wrong, I am against the widespread drugging of schoolchildren, and I also believe that a lot of natural rambunctiousness is misdiagnosed. I simply reject that there is "no such thing." We agree more than we disagree. I have to get some work done, so I'm leaving it at that for tonight.

 

[eots]

I don't pretend to be a doctor, Eots, I only know what I've experienced in this area and what I've looked up because of it.

Why so doggedly confrontational about it though?

It is not sound reasoning to take a group of subjective behaviors then draw the conclusion it is the result of illness and it is very dangerous..children are being drugged in record numbers and those numbers are constantly growing..all based on a fraud not supported by evidence

So, there are no such things as personality disorders of any kind that respond to medication?

you keep changing your terms ..so called personality disorders are not treated with drugs and personality disorders are just personality traits how we subjectively judge these traits is what decides if its disorder or not

behavior can be modified through drugs this is not proof of illness

Don't get me wrong, I am against the widespread drugging of schoolchildren, and I also believe that a lot of natural rambunctiousness is misdiagnosed. I simply reject that there is "no such thing." We agree more than we disagree. I have to get some work done, so I'm leaving it at that for tonight

Medications

There are no medications specifically approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat personality disorders.

Psychotherapy

Psychotherapy is the main way to treat personality disorders. Psychotherapy is a general term for the process of treating personality disorders by talking about your condition and related issues with a mental health provider. During psychotherapy, you learn about your condition and your mood, feelings, thoughts and behavior. Using the insight and knowledge you gain in psychotherapy, you can learn healthy ways to manage your symptoms.
Personality disorders: Treatments and drug - MayoClinic.com

 

[Si modo]

I had a meeting with my son's teacher's and school psychologist, and they recommended I take him to a pediatrician that specializes in ADHD etc to be tested for ADHD. Many of you have might already know I have had my son in special programs since before he was two, and that they had diagnosed him with a sensory perception disorder when all this first started.

II have read some on it, but not a lot. The whole thing is scary at this point, for one I have no clue how I feel about medication, how to treat it, and even the diagnoses of ADHD. Feedback, recommendations, stories would be great. Thanks.

I'm sorry.

Here's what I would do...that's all I'm saying, and I could be totally wrong if I were to do it. Knowing that teachers LOVE chemically restraining children who cause them more work than they would prefer, the LAST thing I would do is take your cutie to the MD they recommend.

Talk to your boy's pediatrician for a reference for an examination, if you have good confidence in your pediatrician. If not, do some research on line, talk to trusted friends and neighbors, etc.

But, no; I would not take him to the 'specialist" the school recommends...last thing I would do.

I agree with Si completely.

ADHD does exist, but there are better methods of dealing with it besides drugging our kids into zombies, and his family pediatrician might be your best defense against over-medication, with the attendant family court drama of (having the audacity to decide you don't like the results after the fact) trying to take him off the medication once it's prescribed, getting an accurate diagnosis of his issues, a realistic and least intrusive treatment plan, and an idea of when they might subside (sometimes they do).

And don't let them keep him in special classes longer than he needs to be. These kids are most often highly intelligent, and they get bored as hell (and pretty annoyed) without any mental challenges all day.

I'm sorry I stunned you by your agreeing with me. (I've run out of rep, too...dammit)

Anyway, thanks for bringing up another excellent point. Once the school is involved in this diagnosis, if at a later date, you find a great MD who has other ideas for treatment that does not include medication (a medication that has street value as a drug, too), you WILL need to go to court to have the school stop medicating him. That will not be cheap, because of court and atty costs, obviously, but also you will need to pay through your teeth for expert witnesses.

 

[Barb]

you keep changing your terms .

Not really, you brought up "subjective behaviors," and I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Mr. H.]

Love conquers all.

Ms. L. conquers my heart.

 

[eots]

you keep changing your terms .

Not really, you brought up "subjective behaviors," and I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I can not really agree to disagree on hard facts...I can however allow you to be incorrect

 

[Barb]

you keep changing your terms .

Not really, you brought up "subjective behaviors," and I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I can not really agree to disagree on hard facts...I can however allow you to be incorrect

Whatever floats your boat, Eots.