Zionist genocide in Israel

[LuckyDuck]

Other people have lived in Palestine for more than a thousand years. You can't erase them for your "self-determination".

The history of Israel/Judea, is complicated, however, the Hebrews/Israelis settled that region around 2,000 BCE. There were a few other tribes in the area and the Hebrews/Israelis fought and created their own kingdom and establishing Jerusalem in 1,000 BCE.
While the Assyrians and then the Romans held control, followed by the Christian Holy Roman Empire, Islam was spread there in the mid-6th century CE, over 1,500 years after Jerusalem's founding. Like the Assyrians and Romans before them, they used military force to subjugate the region. Yet, through all of this, Hebrews/Israelis still lived there and dreamed of getting their nation back.
Well, they are the original, indigenous population and after the second world war, other Hebrews/Israelis returned, and they got their nation back. It is recognized that Muslims have been residing there for centuries after forcing their way into the region, but the issue is, that they refuse to live under infidel rule.

 

[rosends]

Hahaha now Zionist is an insult? You poor thing.

do you believe that some people are sub human?
do you believe that holding that attitude is a bad thing?
do you believe that someone who holds that attitude is expressing an element of character that is not admirable?

is it a praise or an insult to equate a particular person or group with an element of character that is not admirable?

 

[Shusha]

Babylonians, Akkadians, Greeks, Egyptians, Syrians, Persians, Romans and Turks are also connected to Palestine.

Yes. Israel, Judea, and Samaria have been conquered and colonized by many peoples who originated from elsewhere. The Jewish people originated in that land. That makes us indigenous to that land and that land our homeland. Denying this is antisemitic.

 

[Grau]

History is always written by the victors. Zionists say the hostilites began on 7 Oct. by Hamas despite it beginning in 1948 by the Zionists ..... and Britain claims WWII began when Hitler invaded Poland despite the fact that the UK never sent any troops to help defend Poland.

I think that you'll appreciate this quote by George Orwell:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."


This transparent propaganda ploy by Hasbara shills simply reveals how desperate they are to obfuscate the fact that hostilities "started" long before 7 October 2023 and will continue long after Netanyahu and his henchmen are gone.


Thanks,

 

[Coyote]

Very long winded. You wasted your time. Sorry.

That is a pity you feel that way since Zionism is not a definition or topic that will fit on a bumper sticker. She offered a very good thought out post, can you at least hit on any of her points?

It is difficult to have a conversation on it because there is more more than one meaning it seems.

 

[Coyote]

Zionism per the Encyclopedia Britannica: Zionism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts

In this context it would be an historic, nationalist movement, with its roots as far back as the 16th century, based on the idea of Jews returning to Palestine where, they had a long established historic connection, and eventually building a state. The reasons behind it are multiple, not the least was cultural preservation amid pressures to assimilate, discrimination and dangerous instability in the countries they resided in (pogroms etc). This seems predominately a secular movement?

There is also Christian Zionism, which involves the return of the Jews to Zion to in order fulfill Christian prophecy. We see it in our strong largely unwavering Evangeical support for Israel…after all prophecy’s important stuff.


There is also Messianic Zionism. This is a much smaller group considered radical, but one that carries a lot of influence in Israeli politics and is causing problems. This would be the settler movement, a Jewish version of Manifest Destiny?


Are there other definitions of Zionism?

 

[surada]

Exactly, yet few in the West know this. In fact, most westerners think the Arabs want blood.

Demonizing the enemy is an old strategy.

 

[BackAgain]

Demonizing the enemy is an old strategy.

That’s why you keep doing it.

 

[surada]

Zionism per the Encyclopedia Britannica: Zionism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts

In this context it would be an historic, nationalist movement, with its roots as far back as the 16th century, based on the idea of Jews returning to Palestine where, they had a long established historic connection, and eventually building a state. The reasons behind it are multiple, not the least was cultural preservation amid pressures to assimilate, discrimination and dangerous instability in the countries they resided in (pogroms etc). This seems predominately a secular movement?

There is also Christian Zionism, which involves the return of the Jews to Zion to in order fulfill Christian prophecy. We see it in our strong largely unwavering Evangeical support for Israel…after all prophecy’s important stuff.


There is also Messianic Zionism. This is a much smaller group considered radical, but one that carries a lot of influence in Israeli politics and is causing problems. This would be the settler movement, a Jewish version of Manifest Destiny?


Are there other definitions of Zionism?

Christian Zionism is the invention of Samuel Untermyer.

 

[gipper]

That is a pity you feel that way since Zionism is not a definition or topic that will fit on a bumper sticker. She offered a very good thought out post, can you at least hit on any of her points?

It is difficult to have a conversation on it because there is more more than one meaning it seems.

Thanks for your comments but there is a genocide in progress, committed by Zionists. This is the topic of the thread. Let’s stay on topic and not get derailed by genocide supporters.

 

[Shusha]

Thanks for your comments but there is a genocide in progress, committed by Zionists. This is the topic of the thread. Let’s stay on topic and not get derailed by genocide supporters.

Given that the term "Zionist" is IN the thread title, it is certainly on-topic to define "Zionism".

 

[gipper]

Given that the term "Zionist" is IN the thread title, it is certainly on-topic to define "Zionism".

Stop trying to derail the thread. You support the genocide so you have no credibility or humanity.

 

[Coyote]

Thanks for your comments but there is a genocide in progress, committed by Zionists. This is the topic of the thread. Let’s stay on topic and not get derailed by genocide supporters.

There isn’t a genocide going on and though I disagree with Israel’s tactics and behavior, they didn’t start this particular conflict on Oct 7 and they are fighting this as a nation, not “Zionists”.

 

[gipper]

Demonizing the enemy is an old strategy.

It certainly is, yet amazingly many still get fooled.

 

[gipper]

There isn’t a genocide going on and though I disagree with Israel’s tactics and behavior, they didn’t start this particular conflict on Oct 7 and they are fighting this as a nation, not “Zionists”.

Aren’t you a mod? Isn’t your job to keep threads from derailing?

Failing to admit it’s a genocide only exposes you.

 

[Coyote]

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Christian Zionism is the invention of Samuel Untermyer.

I found a better description…more too it than I thought: Christian Zionism in the United States, 1930â2020

 

[Coyote]

Aren’t you a mod? Isn’t your job to keep threads from derailing?

Failing to admit it’s a genocide only exposes you.

Gipper, READ the thread title. Thank you.

 

[Shusha]

Stop trying to derail the thread. You support the genocide so you have no credibility or humanity.

I support no such thing. That is a libel. And since you are applying it to a collective, and not just to me, it is a blood libel against the Jews.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No sugar in your coffee today, Israel.

Do you allow a murderer Hamas murder more of you family or do you try to stop it?

 

[gipper]

Gipper, READ the thread title. Thank you.

I did. Apparently you didn’t.