Muslims who refuse to Integrate

[Esmeralda]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I have lived in them, for a number of years. I have lived for years in Europe and spend several months there every year. Denmark is a very small country with a very small prison population. It is essentially a one culture, one ethnic group country without many immigrants. I imagine it would be very difficult for any outsider to blend in and fit in. It would be like moving to a small town, an experience people often have of it taking years to be accepted.

According to you, I have 'no right' to discuss immigration to America because I don't live in America. So, take your own advice and quit spouting crap about Muslims in Europe. Thanks

I never said you had no right to talk about it. I have enough experience of Europeans to know you do not express yourself like a European would. My guess is you are an American living in Europe. Which I have done too. You wouldn't care about this issue of you were a full European. You wouldn't use the tone and language and diction you use if you were a true European. My guess is you are a fraud.

 

[Tilly]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

 

[Pogo]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

In fact from all appearances --- you and I are the only two people here who seem to have any real-life experiences interacting with Muslims in Europe. And probably with interacting with Muslims at all.

 

[Esmeralda]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

Where do you see an evidence that it is limited to Denmark? Some groups were invented for conflict, nothing else. For example Islam and socialism / communism.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

And so has Christianity; for example, hundreds of years of imperialism during which cultures were destroyed and millions upon millions of people were enslaved, tortured, and murdered.

How about the complete destruction of native American tribes and cultures throughout the American Continent?

No, the native Americans were not destroyed. They continue their culture to this day, and they are Americans, speaking English as a second language instead of a language of a tribal oppressor. The Muslims can't offer this.

Oh this is funny. Native Americans were not destroyed? Seriously? You know absolutely nothing about American history. They continue to try to keep alive the remnants of their cultures. Wow. You actually think they were not destroyed. The vast majority of them were killed, and their land was taken away from them. Not destroyed? Really?

Why don't you quit telling people what they know? You are coming across as a complete ignoramus. Lol.

Anyone who is not aware that native American cultures were destroyed is the ignorant one, not me.

 

[Esmeralda]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

Really, that's funny. Why don't you confine yourself to the country you live in, which is most likely the US, as you appear to be a complete fraud.

I am an American and can have any opinion about America I choose to have. If you are not one, it does seem strange you would involve yourself so deeply in this discussion.

 

[anotherlife]

Oh this is funny. Native Americans were not destroyed? Seriously? You know absolutely nothing about American history. They continue to try to keep alive the remnants of their cultures. Wow. You actually think they were not destroyed. The vast majority of them were killed, and their land was taken away from them. Not destroyed? Really?

Esmeralda, If you want to take people's land away and destroy them, then you ask a communist to do it, not Americans. And if you ever lived in Europe, then you would know this. There are no remnants of a culture where communists eliminate it.

 

[Tilly]

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I have lived in them, for a number of years. I have lived for years in Europe and spend several months there every year. Denmark is a very small country with a very small prison population. It is essentially a one culture, one ethnic group country without many immigrants. I imagine it would be very difficult for any outsider to blend in and fit in. It would be like moving to a small town, an experience people often have of it taking years to be accepted.

According to you, I have 'no right' to discuss immigration to America because I don't live in America. So, take your own advice and quit spouting crap about Muslims in Europe. Thanks

I never said you had no right to talk about it. I have enough experience of Europeans to know you do not express yourself like a European would. My guess is you are an American living in Europe. Which I have done too. You wouldn't care about this issue of you were a full European. You wouldn't use the tone and language and diction you use if you were a true European. My guess is you are a fraud.

I was born and bred in Europe, you stupid woman. You seem to think you are psychic in addition to thinking you can tell posters which discussions they have a 'right' to participate in. Lol@failedpsychicesme.

 

[Tilly]

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

Really, that's funny. Why don't you confine yourself to the country you live in, which is most likely the US, as you appear to be a complete fraud.

It isn't me that demands what other posters can and cannot debate. That would be you, you silly woman

 

[Pogo]

Do it. And then get back to me. Or you are full of shit. Up the road we have vetted families. True refugees from Syria. They want to go home.

--- And?

I have no doubt if I was forced to leave my familiar place I'd want to go home too. But in the interim one can find comfort in the grace of humanity and the riches one can learn from somebody with a different POV.

This entire thread is based on a bullshit and completely unsubstantiated premise anyway so this is all moot. I can honestly say I've never in my life judged anybody by what religion they follow or don't follow. And even less ever blanketed everybody in one religion as some kind of monolith. That's completely mindless.

So yes, I would avail myself of a golden opportunity to, in this case, learn more Arabic, get more acquainted with ME musical sensibilities, develop some kick-ass recipes, and generally open to a perspective on the world I didn't have before. How can that be anything but a positive? Those of course are all attendant cultural aspects, not religious. Religion is personal, and should stay that way.

And in the process of course I'd work to smooth their adjustment and address their concerns as much as possible. And I expect if the positions were reversed they'd do the same for me. In fact, from experience I already know that.

HA HA HA.. At first I thought you were joking, but now that I see you're are unhinged serious, allow me to correct a few things.

Here is the POV that you are hoping will give you "grace of humanity and the riches one can learn from"

What you will learn is a singular POV known as the KORAN. And here's what you'll learn from it >>>

1. Wife -beating (Koran 4:34)


2. Rape (Koran 4:24, 23: 1-6, 70:29-30, 2;223)


3. Pedophilia (Koran 65:4)


4. Lying (Koran 16:106, 3:28)


5. Murder (Koran 8:12, 9:5, 9:123, et al)


6. Slavery (Koran 24:32-33, et al)


7. Torture (Koran 5:33, 8:12, 24:2, + numerous quotes in the Hadith)


8. Animal cruelty (Eid al-Adha)


9. Sex discrimination against women (Koran 2:223, 4:34, 4:11, 2:282, 4:24, 4:3)


10. Various intolerances that conflict with western culture (any religion other than Islam, dogs, alcoholic beverages, pork products, anything depicting pigs (ex. kid's piggy bank) The following link lists 537 intolerance suras of the Koran >>

Intolerance in the Quran

1. I'll see your wife beating and raise you wife execution (Leviticus 20:10)... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

2a. Rape, executing the victim of (Deuteronomy 20:1) .... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.
2b Rape, offering one's own daughters for (Genesis 19:4-8) .... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

3. Pedophilia -- see 2b

4. Working on Sabbath punishable by stoning to death (Exodus 35:2) .... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

5. Murder/pillage/conquest (Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:10-17 and indeed throughout the most violent book ever writ)
.... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.
5a Special mention for bashing babies' heads against the rocks (Psalm 137:9) ... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

6a. Slavery (Leviticus 21:7) .... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.
6b Slavery again (Leviticus 25:44)... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.
6c Still more Slavery (1st Peter 2:18) .... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

7. Torture (Exodus 21:20-21) .... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

8. Animal Cruelty (Leviticus 1:9 and again Exodus 21:28) ... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

9a Sex discrimination against women (Leviticus 15:19-24) .... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.
9b More sex discrimination against women (Ephesians 5:22-24)... Oh wait, that's still the Holey Babble.

10 Various intolerances from homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22) to eating shellfish (Lev. 11:10), to touching the skin of a dead pig (Lev. 11:6-8), to symbiotic "companion-planting" (Lev. 19:19) to making clothes from two different materials (ibid) to getting one's hair trimmed (Leviticus 19:27) .... Oh wait, that's ALL the Holey Babble.

(note to self: Things to do this week: organize stoning to death for my barber....)

11. Cursing or blaspheming punishable by death (Leviticus 24:16) Damn! Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

12. Disobeying one's parents punishable by death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)... Oh wait, that's the Holey Babble.

13. "Witchcraft", i.e. Naturism punishable by death (Leviticus 20:27) -- oh wait that's the Holey Babble. This was a hot seller in Europe, literally...

14. Buying into another religion punishable by death (Deuteronomy 13:5-10) --- even in past history (Deuteronomy 17:2-5) ... oh wait that's ......


Uh --- sorry, was that your point I just ran over? I thought I heard a thump.

Not to worry. I'm sure you can just buy another one real cheap from Pam Rump or Donald Geller. They churn 'em out in mass quantities.

you are pointing at the Old Testament , Christians follow the New Testament that came about after Jesus . muslims follow 'moes' words and decrees except for the BAD muslims who would be beheaded in a TRUE sharia state like 'iran' or Saudi arabia or 'Islamic state / isis or al queda Pogo . ---------- actually the BAD muslims are the only GOOD muslims from a Westerners or Americans point of view Pogo !!

See what I mean? Double standard, and too dense to notice.

"When our book says it --- that's different!"

Poster please. You're as transparent as a freaking new pane of glass.

 

[Esmeralda]

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

Really, that's funny. Why don't you confine yourself to the country you live in, which is most likely the US, as you appear to be a complete fraud.

It isn't me that demands what other posters can and cannot debate. That would be you, you silly woman

Yeah, you're not a European. NO way.

 

[Desperado]

Why Limit it just to Muslims?
It should be across the board for immigrants.
Any group that comes to America and expects America to change to suit them, should be rounded up and sent packing to their original country or one that is will to submit to the demands of these people. Lets start with language, If you don't learn the language in a given time, back on the boat for you.

Yeah good plan. Then we'd never have pizza. Or perogies. Or sausage. Or Moo Goo Gai Pan.
Or jazz or blues and therefore rock 'n' roll.

Want me to actually go through all the words we got from immigrants too?
I mean, not even counting the ones WE immigrants got from the natives?

WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking about "words". I'm talking about groups of immigrants that refuse to learn the English language.

 

[Pogo]

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

Really, that's funny. Why don't you confine yourself to the country you live in, which is most likely the US, as you appear to be a complete fraud.

Yeah I'm not buying her story either. I've never heard a European use the word "libtard".
DEAD giveaway.

 

[Pogo]

Why Limit it just to Muslims?
It should be across the board for immigrants.
Any group that comes to America and expects America to change to suit them, should be rounded up and sent packing to their original country or one that is will to submit to the demands of these people. Lets start with language, If you don't learn the language in a given time, back on the boat for you.

Yeah good plan. Then we'd never have pizza. Or perogies. Or sausage. Or Moo Goo Gai Pan.
Or jazz or blues and therefore rock 'n' roll.

Want me to actually go through all the words we got from immigrants too?
I mean, not even counting the ones WE immigrants got from the natives?

WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking about "words". I'm talking about groups of immigrants that refuse to learn the English language.

What do you think language is made of? Ants?

 

[Tilly]

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

Really, that's funny. Why don't you confine yourself to the country you live in, which is most likely the US, as you appear to be a complete fraud.

It isn't me that demands what other posters can and cannot debate. That would be you, you silly woman

Yeah, you're not a European. NO way.

If you say so, esme. And you are an American redneck who has never been out of the US. I like this game

 

[Desperado]

Why Limit it just to Muslims?
It should be across the board for immigrants.
Any group that comes to America and expects America to change to suit them, should be rounded up and sent packing to their original country or one that is will to submit to the demands of these people. Lets start with language, If you don't learn the language in a given time, back on the boat for you.

Yeah good plan. Then we'd never have pizza. Or perogies. Or sausage. Or Moo Goo Gai Pan.
Or jazz or blues and therefore rock 'n' roll.

Want me to actually go through all the words we got from immigrants too?
I mean, not even counting the ones WE immigrants got from the natives?

WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking about "words". I'm talking about groups of immigrants that refuse to learn the English language.

What do you think language is made of? Ants?

Are you really that dense?

 

[Pogo]

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

Really, that's funny. Why don't you confine yourself to the country you live in, which is most likely the US, as you appear to be a complete fraud.

It isn't me that demands what other posters can and cannot debate. That would be you, you silly woman

Yeah, you're not a European. NO way.

If you say so, esme. And you are an American redneck who has never been out of the US. I like this game

Seems like that would be you. What the fuck would "libtard" mean ------ in Europe?

 

[Esmeralda]

Oh this is funny. Native Americans were not destroyed? Seriously? You know absolutely nothing about American history. They continue to try to keep alive the remnants of their cultures. Wow. You actually think they were not destroyed. The vast majority of them were killed, and their land was taken away from them. Not destroyed? Really?

Esmeralda, If you want to take people's land away and destroy them, then you ask a communist to do it, not Americans. And if you ever lived in Europe, then you would know this. There are no remnants of a culture where communists eliminate it.

You are just a complete nut whose posts make no sense. I'm going to ignore you.

 

[Pogo]

Why Limit it just to Muslims?
It should be across the board for immigrants.
Any group that comes to America and expects America to change to suit them, should be rounded up and sent packing to their original country or one that is will to submit to the demands of these people. Lets start with language, If you don't learn the language in a given time, back on the boat for you.

Yeah good plan. Then we'd never have pizza. Or perogies. Or sausage. Or Moo Goo Gai Pan.
Or jazz or blues and therefore rock 'n' roll.

Want me to actually go through all the words we got from immigrants too?
I mean, not even counting the ones WE immigrants got from the natives?

WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking about "words". I'm talking about groups of immigrants that refuse to learn the English language.

What do you think language is made of? Ants?

Are you really that dense?

OK, you got schooled and can't handle it. Nothing new.

 

[Tilly]

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I have lived in them, for a number of years. I have lived for years in Europe and spend several months there every year. Denmark is a very small country with a very small prison population. It is essentially a one culture, one ethnic group country without many immigrants. I imagine it would be very difficult for any outsider to blend in and fit in. It would be like moving to a small town, an experience people often have of it taking years to be accepted.

According to you, I have 'no right' to discuss immigration to America because I don't live in America. So, take your own advice and quit spouting crap about Muslims in Europe. Thanks

I never said you had no right to talk about it. I have enough experience of Europeans to know you do not express yourself like a European would. .

Wow. I guess this statement of yours definitely marks you out as a real bona fide fraud. I mean, you seem to think people from countries as diverse as Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK, all express themselves in the same way. Lol. What an ignoramus par excellence

 

[Esmeralda]

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

Well, take your own advice and confine your nonsense to the country you do live in.

Really, that's funny. Why don't you confine yourself to the country you live in, which is most likely the US, as you appear to be a complete fraud.

It isn't me that demands what other posters can and cannot debate. That would be you, you silly woman

Yeah, you're not a European. NO way.

If you say so, esme. And you are an American redneck who has never been out of the US. I like this game

That's hilarious. I am currently not in the US and have been in this country for over 4 years. I have lived in 5 different countries on 3 different continents. I spend months every year traveling around the world, mostly in Europe. And I never was a redneck. LOL I'm from Seattle, not the land of rednecks. Too funny.