Muslim haters are no different than ISIS

[Mad Scientist]

Muslim haters are no different than ISIS

Muslim Haters are funded by the US Government?

 

[ClosedCaption]

You call Muslims infidels, ISIS calls christians infidels. You kill them, they kill christians. Anyone see the futile cycle of violence?

Who calls Muslims infidels? Who is overtly hateful of Muslims?

Why are you making a strawman argument?

I wanted to respond about Gipper not noticing that Muslims arent exactly greeted with a welcome wagon. But then I realize Gipper knows all about how people view Muslims and if not he can do a simple search on this site...

So the conclusion is he's just trolling. Next question will be "What dogs dont like cats?"

Muslims arent exactly greeted with a welcome wagon.

I guess that excuses their slaughter of Christians.

Thats a weird Guess.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I understand that the Liberals in Government want to blame the upcoming Terrorist Attacks on White Male Christian Conservative Gun Owner Veterans but may I ask one question?

If Tim McVeigh was an anti-government type then why did his death certificate state "Soldier" under Occupation?

 

[Mac1958]

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Man, look at all the effort being put into deflecting for the PC-protected religion!

Even when we point it out - they're completely manic, they can't help themselves.

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[ClosedCaption]

If Tim McVeigh was an anti-government type then why did his death certificate state "Soldier" under Occupation?

Because banana...

Thats the only logical answer to an illogical question. If you're a soldier you have to be pro govt for like and also like bananas for the same duration

 

[hangover]

Muslim haters are no different than ISIS

Muslim Haters are funded by the US Government?

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars were totally funded by the U.S. tax payer. About $3 trillion to kill a million Muslims. Killing is expensive.

 

[hobelim]

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)

Ancient Pagans

• As soon as Christianity was legal (315),

LOL... I heard that in 7,000 bce a guy named murry, a Jew, killed a fat cat.

Those bastards!

 

[ninja007]

OP- are you a troll or do you truly believe in the false crap you type?

 

[I.P.Freely]

When was the last time a Christian group opened fire on a Muslim school?

Muslim group slaughters 43 children in Nigerian school children burned alive Jihadists shot and slit the throats of children who tried to escape through the windows Pamela Geller Atlas Shrugs

Christian militias take bloody revenge on Muslims in Central African Republic
Children are reportedly targeted by Christian anti-balaka gangs set up in wake of attacks by Muslim Seleka rebels


A girl sits in the boot of a car that is being searched at a Christian 'anti-balaka' checkpoint in the PK12 area of Bangui. Photograph: Sia Kambou/AFP/Getty Images


David Smith in Bangui

Monday 10 March 2014 14.51 GMTLast modified on Tuesday 3 June 201408.21 BST

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They brought in the bodies one by one, laying them down on a white sheet concealed behind a flimsy black curtain. Among them was a man, probably in his 20s, his head twisted leftward, the skull dented on one side and cracked open on the other. The others also had fatal head injuries that stained the sheet crimson. The first flies began settling on the five corpses.

In the courtyard outside, voices were raised in anger and bewilderment. Mothers in pink and purple hijabs sobbed and wailed and a middle-aged man, possibly unused to naked shows of emotion, sat and gently wept. Finally the iron gate of the mosque was thrown open and the mourners surged forward to gaze at the dead. An imam, donning a plastic smock over his white robe, prepared to wash them while another man began cutting cotton shrouds for the day's burials.

The macabre scene in an area known as PK5 has become almost commonplace in Bangui, the humid and decaying capital of the Central African Republic (CAR), where Muslims are under siege. It has also been played out in towns and villages in the west of the country, redrawing the demographic map.

Muslims came here to trade in the early 19th century and made up 15% of the CAR's population a year ago, but since then untold thousands have been killed or displaced or have fled to neighbouring countries. The UN said last week that while 130,000 to 145,000 Muslims normally lived in the capital, Bangui, the population had been reduced to around 10,000 in December and now stood at just 900.

Amnesty International has called it "ethnic cleansing" and warned of a "Muslim exodus of historic proportions".

As Africa prepares to mark next month's 20th anniversaries of the Rwandan genocide and the end of South African apartheid, what is happening in this long-neglected state is a reminder that forgiveness and reconciliation are easy words but hewn from rock over generations. Christian militias freely admit that theirs is an exercise in vengeance, an eye for an eye, and they will not stop until they have "cleaned" the country of Muslims. On Monday, UN human rights investigators in CAR announced they would investigate reports of genocide.

The seeds were sown in March last year when the Seleka, a largely Muslim rebel group, seized Bangui in a coup, installed the country's first Muslim president, Michel Djotodia, and terrorised the majority Christian population, killing men, women and children. In response, predominantly Christian forces known as the anti-balaka (balaka means machete in Sango, the local language) launched counterattacks against the Seleka and perceived Muslim collaborators.

International pressure forced Djotodia to step down in January and soon the Seleka, who once strutted confidently about the capital, were retreating north where they continue to persecute Christians. But as the anti-balaka gained the advantage elsewhere, village after village lost its Muslim population, their homes looted and mosques razed to the ground. The turning of the tide has left many Muslims feeling bitter towards French peacekeepers and the new president, Catherine Samba-Panza, a Christian.

A girl walks through the rubble of demolished Muslim homes in the Miskine district of Bangui. Photograph: Siegfried Modola/Reuters
Bangui neighbourhoods such as PK5, once thriving with Muslim businesses, now resemble ghost towns. On a recent Tuesday afternoon, hundreds of market stalls and small shops were empty and deserted as a body lay in the road and gun-toting African peacekeepers patrolled in an armoured vehicle. Down side streets there were vehicles piled high with personal belongings. It is estimated that the Muslim population has dropped from around 7,000 to just 1,000 here.

At the mosque where the five bodies lay, there was rage, coupled with confusion over whether the anti-balaka or Burundian peacekeepers were responsible for the deaths. "It is happening every day," said Abdouraman Saudi, 45, who has lost numerous businesses. "If you're Muslim and you try to leave PK5, you're a dead man. It's a prison."

He vowed: "For me, it's finished. From today, we will not be the victims because we will attack the Christians. We are going to defend ourselves. From today with the international community, we don't care. We are not protected by them so we will attack them also."

In another largely Muslim neighbourhood, PK12, families camp out in grass and mud with buckets, carpets, mattresses, discarded rubbish, cooking pots over charcoal fires and a constant fear of lobbed grenades. Convoys that try to get out of here must run the gauntlet of taunting Christian mobs. In one incident, a Muslim who fell from a vehicle was summarily lynched. In another, five children suffocated in an overcrowded truck and were found dead when the convoy arrived at Bangui's military airport.

Ibrahim Alawad, 55, a lawyer, pointed to a trench and fresh burial mounds and said he had buried a 22-year-old student hours earlier. The area's population had shrunk from 25,000 people six months ago to 2,700 today, he said, while four mosques had been destroyed. "They're not killing the Muslims, they're sweeping them. Imagine someone wants to kill you, roast you on the fire and eat you. It's the hell of the hell. There are no living conditions here."

French peacekeepers stood by at a near checkpoint but there was growing Muslim hostility towards them too. "Our problem is the French," Alawad said. "They are the white anti-balaka. It's like Rwanda, they want to do it again, but we won't let them."

No amount of Muslim suffering appears to elicit mercy from the anti-balaka, who believe they are meeting a fitting punishment for the crimes of the Seleka. Dr Jean Chrysostome Gody, director of the country's sole paediatric hospital, which is supported by Unicef, recalled: "I saw mothers whose children had been killed or injured and they had hate in their heart."

Members of the anti-balaka militia train in the Boeing neighbourhood of Bangui. Photograph: Fred Dufour/AFP/Getty Images
As the anti-balaka responded, he added, children were no longer caught in the crossfire but deliberately targeted. "There were bullets in the heads and chests of children. It's not possible they were there by accident. It's as if people are trying to finish off another race. It's about extreme revenge and it's brutal."

One anti-balaka base is nicknamed "Boeing" because it is within close sight and sound of air traffic at Bangui airport. In a clearing shaded by trees amid modest mudbrick houses, six of the militia men sprawled on two squashy sofas. One wore a Barcelona football shirt with the name Messi on the back; another carried a bow and arrow; several had machetes. When a French patrol comes to disarm them every few days, they hide their weapons in the bush.

Forgiveness is not in the lexicon here. Sebastien Wenezoui, 32, a civil engineer, said he helped instigate the anti-balaka after his parents and brothers were killed by the Seleka and their house torched. "I was shocked. Today you can see my feelings in what I'm doing now. I had to express myself. If you were me, would you be comfortable with those things?"

Asked if he felt this justified the killing of innocent women and children, Wenezoui replied: "For me it's a response to what the Seleka have done. They started killing our children and wives and destroyed our homes. Revenge is good sometimes and bad sometimes. But we have to do it."

Wenezoui expressed no regrets about the Muslim exodus. "I'm not sad at all because when Seleka took power the Muslims, who were our best friends, were the ones destroying the houses and killing people. It's a kind of lesson. They acted like betrayers so they have to go and learn something and come back with respectful behaviour."

Yet sitting with Wenezoui and his colleagues was a Muslim: Ibrahim Amadou, 22, who said he joined the anti-balaka after his wife, three children, parents and seven siblings were shot dead by the Seleka. He still prays on Fridays but does so at home because fellow Muslims would recognise him at a mosque.

"I cannot give all the details of what I'm doing," said Amadou, wearing an array of animal skin and leather charms around his neck and shoulders that he believes make him invisible to enemies. "I'm working for the country. A soldier is a soldier: he cannot give his secrets."

A member of the anti-balaka holds a grenade and a sabre at a checkpoint in Pissa, CAR. Photograph: Sia Kambou/AFP/Getty Images
Nearby, there is no sign of respite for tens of thousands of people squatting outside the international airport, fearful of going home in a city where the Red Cross said more than 10 people were killed in February, some found with their genitals stuffed in their mouths, and where grenades are said to be available at street markets for 250 CFA (31p) and Kalashnikov rifles for 10,000-15,000 CFA (£12-£18). There is a threat of the country splitting in two, and a fully fledged UN peacekeeping mission may be required to stop it.

In the town of Boali, 60 miles to the north, the Catholic priest Xavier-Arnauld Fagba went from house to house and into the bush to offer Muslims sanctuary in his church. "When the Muslims were attacked, the people didn't help them," said Fagba, 31, who became a priest four months ago. "That's when I decided to look for them and bring them here. I did it in the name of my faith. My faith asks me to transcend the most difficult obstacles."

Nearly 700 people took up his offer and moved into the church.

But most local Christians disagreed with Fagba's courageous stand and one day his car was surrounded by anti-balaka armed with knives and machetes. He got out to show that he did not fear them and, just then, their commander called off the assault.

In another incident last month, more than 300 anti-balaka surrounded the church and opened fire through its thinly protected walls. Fagba hurled himself to the ground and shouted at everyone else to do the same – and no one was killed or injured. He says some 30 bullet holes can still be seen in the church walls.

The Muslims held prayers every Friday in the grounds of the 54-year-old church, and cleaned it early on Sunday mornings for the Christian service, which some even attended.

But rebuilding bridges is a slow and painful process. Local officials tried to organise a peace march in which Muslims and Christians would walk together through the town, but when the Muslims arrived, the anti-balaka refused. "It's very sad because I thought it was the beginning of peace," Fagba said.

On 1 March a convoy of trucks protected by African peacekeepers evacuated the inhabitants of the church, and took them to safety in Cameroon, leaving Boali with no Muslim inhabitants.

 

[hangover]

OP- are you a troll or do you truly believe in the false crap you type?

Your problem is you don't know the difference between truth and false, and that's why you're a con. For you, ignorance is bliss.

 

[hobelim]

Christian militias take bloody revenge on Muslims in Central African Republic

I heard that after another central African village was attacked and many were killed by Islamists, they caught one of those bastards running away with a machete in his bloody hands the next day and ate him.

I'm sure the ones that escaped won't be in a hurry to return.

 

[Blackrook]

The question I have is this, "Why are liberals apologizing for the enemy?"

And then I remember that during the Cold War, liberals were doing the same thing, only then the enemy was the Communists.

The pattern is clear: liberals hate the United States and always side with its enemies.

 

[MaryL]

Accept we aren't trying to create a caliphate ( what the hell IS that anyway?) and beheading people and burning to death or shooting cartoonists or left-handed people for the invisible pink unicorn. Even the Nazis Didn't do the same shit daesh in the middle east are doing. INFIDELS? Really? Spoiler here: ALLAH never existed, and Islam is just a cult.

 

[Blackrook]

Things would be much simpler if everyone just opened a bottle of Coca-Cola and chilled out.

 

[I.P.Freely]

The question I have is this, "Why are liberals apologizing for the enemy?"

And then I remember that during the Cold War, liberals were doing the same thing, only then the enemy was the Communists.

The pattern is clear: liberals hate the United States and always side with its enemies.

Who's enemy bigot? 93% of British Muslims feel loyalty to Britain.What do you think the % is of American who are disloyal to America

1. The majority of British Muslims oppose violence against people who publish images depicting the Prophet Muhammad, a poll for the BBC suggests.
   
   The survey also indicates most have no sympathy with those who want to fight against Western interests.
   
   But 27% of the 1,000 Muslims polled by ComRes said they had some sympathy for the motives behind the Paris attacks.
   
   Almost 80% said they had found it deeply offensive when images depicting the Prophet were published.
   
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   Poll of British Muslims
   95%
   
   feel a loyalty to Britain
   
   93%
   
   say they should obey British laws
   • 46% feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being Muslim in Britain
   • 78% are offended when images of the Prophet Muhammad are published
   • 11% feel sympathy for people who want to fight against western interests
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   Asked if acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet Muhammad can "never be justified", 68% agreed that such violence was never justifiable.
   
   But 24% disagreed with the statement, while the rest replied "don't know" or refused to answer.
   
   The poll, carried out between 26 January and 20 February, suggests 32% of British Muslims were not surprised by January's attacks on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine, which published depictions of the Prophet, and a kosher supermarket in Paris.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   The poll also suggests that almost half of British Muslims believe they face discrimination because of their faith and that Britain is becoming less tolerant, while the same percentage feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being a Muslim in the UK.
   
   Some 35% said they felt most British people did not trust Muslims, and a fifth said they thought Western liberal society could never be compatible with Islam.
   
   Of those polled, 95% felt a loyalty to Britain, while 93% believed that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
   
   Nearly 20% of Muslim women questioned said they felt unsafe in Britain, compared with 10% of men.
   
   
   
   
   Analysis
   
   
   
   By Sima Kotecha, Today reporter
   Islam is a religion of peace and love - not violence: sentiments that have been expressed numerous times here in Bradford.
   
   Out of the dozens of people I've spoken to, an overwhelming majority have said they're angry that their interpretation of Islam has been eclipsed by an extreme ideology that is too often projected in the media.
   
   They say it's this that is fuelling prejudice, and it's leading to some in the community feeling ostracised from British society.
   
   As one young man said: "We're all being branded as extremists in this country. I am British but sometimes it feels as if Britain is rejecting me because of my faith and that hurts."
   
   One thousand Muslims were polled as part of our survey - a number statistically representative of the population of close to three million Muslims in Britain.
   
   
   
   
   'Stop alienation'
   A student at Bradford College, Samaia Aslal, told the BBC that politicians and the media perpetuated a dehumanised image of Muslims, which opens them up to all forms of attack.
   
   She said: "It is up to the rest of British society to stop looking at us as some kind of threat, to accept us.
   
   "To not always ask us how British we feel, that's as stupid as asking 'how do you feel about your red hair today?'.
   
   "To ask this whilst alienating us, spying on us, making us feel like we don't fit in."
   
   But another student Mohammed Al Hakaroon said integration was the responsibility of both Muslims and non-Muslims.
   
   
   
   Brothers Cherif (L) and Said Kouachi attacked Charlie Hebdo
   "There is no Islamic regulation or law that prevents integration. Everyone should be treated as equal: Muslim, white, black, Asian, as the Prophet himself has said."
   
   Musmil Afik, who also studies at Bradford College, said he was angry and frustrated, so he could understand why this drove one in four people to support the attacks in Paris.
   
   He said: " But this is not what Islam is about. Islam is about peace, love and harmony."
   
   Former Foreign Office minister Baroness Warsi said the poll highlighted her view that the government's terrorism policy was not based on enough evidence.
   
   Speaking on Radio 4's Today programme she said: "What is the evidence that shows us how people are being radicalised?
   
   "What is the evidence that shows us the route to someone becoming a terrorist. We just don't have this.
   
   "We don't have definitive data that we work to and that is why I think we get much of our policy wrong."
   
   Twelve people died when an attack was launched on the office of Charlie Hebdo on 7 January.
   
   The following day a policewoman was murdered by Amedy Coulibaly, who also held up a Jewish supermarket the next day, killing four people.
   
   Coulibaly and the two Charlie Hebdo gunmen, Said and Cherif Kouachi, were shot dead by police in two separate sieges.
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   Miqdaad Versi of the Muslim Council of Britain says further research is needed
   
   Selection of ComsRes questions
   
   • If someone I knew from the Muslim community was planning an act of violence I would report them to the police - 94% agree
   • I know Muslims who feel strongly sympathetic towards people fighting for IS and al-Qaeda - 8% agree
   • Muslim clerics who preach that violence against the West can be justified are out of touch with mainstream opinion - 49% agree
   • I would like my children to go a Muslim state school if I had the choice - 31% agree
   • I would rather socialise with Muslims than non-Muslims - 13% agree
   • If I could I would leave Britain and go and live in another country - 14% agree
   
   
   
   
   
   

 

[Delta4Embassy]

You call Muslims infidels, ISIS calls christians infidels. You kill them, they kill christians. Anyone see the futile cycle of violence?

Never read it put any better than Dr. King did:

"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction."
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

For myself I'd say because it's so much easier to hate than attempt understanding, those who would pit one against another have an easy time of it. Whereas those who would try to teach understanding have the deck stacked against them.

 

[Gadawg73]

I do not hate Muslims. Moderate Muslims despise gays and support Sharia law over a secular government. I oppose that.

 

[amrchaos]

You call Muslims infidels, ISIS calls christians infidels. You kill them, they kill christians. Anyone see the futile cycle of violence?

Are you suggesting that if no one killed ISIS fighters, then ISIS would stop killing people?

 

[Avatar4321]

You call Muslims infidels, ISIS calls christians infidels. You kill them, they kill christians. Anyone see the futile cycle of violence?

Never read it put any better than Dr. King did:

"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction."
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

You realize he was teaching the sermon on the mount right?