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A surprise verdict by the jury. Now parents can be found responsible for their kid's crimes.
Jennifer Crumbley, mother of Ethan Crumbley, found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in son’s school shooting
The Michigan mother was convicted on four counts of manslaughter in connection with her son's deadly rampage at Oxford High School in 2021.www.nbcnews.com
She participated.
This isn't rocket science Mang.
Bloody hell, you must have a lot of enemies. What did you do when they last broke in?
Does/do your dog/s not bark when there's a noise outside. I have three, what a racket, I bet any would be burglar runs a mile.Not sure if you're aware but most robberies are by people unknown to the homeowners. We have a lot of enemies in this country, they're known as violent criminals. Most of them are black. A few of them are white. Most of them try to target the weak who have no known enemies and no reason to think they need a gun. But we like to defend ourselves from these violent people with firearms that are ready to go, not ones that have to be assembled as the bad guy is busting in through the back window.
Actually, they do that to them all the time.They would never do this to a baby mama, who loses interest in her son the minute they are old enough to talk back and either has no man in his life, or a string of them.
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Most gun deaths are suicide and domestic violence, and a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.Not sure if you're aware but most robberies are by people unknown to the homeowners. We have a lot of enemies in this country, they're known as violent criminals. Most of them are black. A few of them are white. Most of them try to target the weak who have no known enemies and no reason to think they need a gun. But we like to defend ourselves from these violent people with firearms that are ready to go, not ones that have to be assembled as the bad guy is busting in through the back window.
The king of the specious argument strikes again...if the gun kills one bad guy do 43 people in the household die?...Most gun deaths are suicide and domestic violence, and a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.
We know who you are hence the necessity for the right to bear arms.We have met the enemy, and he is us.
So you punish the victims of crimes for being a victim, what stupid fucking approach to life.---------------------------------------------------------
Well, as I posted, I am a believer in 'strict liability'......you own the gun, you own the benefits of that gun, and you own the harms of that gun. Period.
Sure, it could be stolen out of your pick-up, even your bedside nightstand. But, if it is used to shoot the 7/11 clerk the owner of record bears a share of the liability for that harm. Period.
Guns must come with a higher burden of responsibility than say, vehicles, ball bats, knives. All of which can kill or injure. But guns are different. We all know that. They have a purpose. We know what that is and thus we assume the responsibility that they are secured for only that purpose.....and not allowed through negligence or mendacity to be used outside of that purpose. We own the gun. We know it's potential for harm. It's lethality. And, we chose to introduce it to our society, our community. Therefore, own a responsibility for its harms.
That is not to say that if some thief steals from the front seat of your F-150 and then kills his cheating girlfriend that the 'owner-of-record' is wholly responsible for the harm done to her. No. Rather, he shares in the liability. The trigger-puller bears most of the liability and needs be punished accordingly. But a degree of penalty must fall upon the OOR who failed to take enough measures to secure the weapon.
IMHO
I’m not annoyed at her being found guilty I’m annoyed when an asshole what’s to take away the rights of law abiding citizens, you know like you.Which is the lie, safer guns in the UK as the stats prove, or the sarcastic picture of a US school bus with the winking eye (did that bit of sarcasm clear your head at 33,000 feet?)
She wasn't a responsible gun owner, say paid the price. This conviction might make others buckle their ideas up, especially if more cases follow.
Are you annoyed she was found guilty?
Most gun deaths are suicide and domestic violence, and a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.
We have met the enemy, and he is us.
No, they aren't. The very fact that the number of ESTIMATED DGU's ranges from 39,000 to 5 million says that there's no way to quantify it.Guns are used for self defense millions of times a year.
Then you can’t say that number isn’t true then. Even you admit it could be as high as 5 million. If you don’t want a gun don’t own one, no one is forcing you to buy a firearm. Let other make the choice for themselvesNo, they aren't. The very fact that the number of ESTIMATED DGU's ranges from 39,000 to 5 million says that there's no way to quantify it.
Then you can’t say that number isn’t true then. Even you admit it could be as high as 5 million. If you don’t want a gun don’t own one, no one is forcing you to buy a firearm. Let other make the choice for themselves
Doing a little backpedaling as usualActually, that shows how unlikely the five million number is... what is the criteria? I had a gun and it made me feel safer when I saw someone who scared me?
The numbers are bullshit. No body, no DGU
Not at all..Doing a little backpedaling as usual
You already admitted the number thrown out is plausibleNot at all..
Throwing out a bullshit number and saying "it could be true" based on absolutely no evidence isn't an argument.
I did nothing of the sort.You already admitted the number thrown out is plausible
It’s ok your accidental honesty betrayed youI did nothing of the sort.
I cited the 5 million figures to show how absurd it was.It’s ok your accidental honesty betrayed you
If you don’t want a gun don’t get one, it’s that simple.
I do I also understand you’re moonwalking your way through the conversation now.I cited the 5 million figures to show how absurd it was.
Sorry you don't understand absurdity.
