Moderates

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Whow. There's a lot of us dems who like our concept of a free market economy and we don't want socialism. While we want government to help take care of our citizens who can't take care of themselves due to mental, physical or out of work challenges, we don't want a society where the able bodied do nothing and collect benefits when they should be contributing to society. That's not socialism. That's us taking care of us.
We also don't want government over regulating business anymore than we want them under regulating it as well. We want a balance where companies, workers and government work together so we all win rather than just the few greedy. Again this is not socialism but us taking care of ourselves the way we're supposed to as human beings as well as citizens of our great Nation.
Compromise and working together is what made us great and it's the only true way for us to restore ourselves because no one but us can or ever will.

We're the democrats the world labels as "moderates."

What you just described yourself as, is Conservative.

And there is NOTHING you can do to advance what you have just defined, by compromising with those who intend to crush you. When you compromise with them, you cut your goal short and advance their goals... .

are they not doing the same thing by compromising with you?....thats what compromise is.....you give a little i give a little.....we both lose a little....but in the end we both can get by with what we agreed upon.....

So... you're asking if Evil, slows its roll, when it needs to compromise with good to advance its agenda to advance chaos, calamity and catastrophe?

Hmm... Ya know. I think it must.

The difference is that evil is invalid, counter productive to the intrinsic interest humanity, injurious to human culture.

SOooo... I suppose, where the point is to promote viability of the species and the sustainability of the culture, maybe where we consider the perspective of that which competes with our viability... MAYBE... we should not allow it to advance by half measures, through our compromising with it.

Of course, I'm just spit-balling here... I mean who am I to say that people operating on perverse reasoning aren't perfectly entitled to fuck things up for everyone, through the advancement of their own subjective needs?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Rarely are the major party nominees or those who get elected the most extreme in the race. The vast majority of folks who get elected are more centered. Obviously there are local exceptions, but most of the time, the more moderate candidates are the most successful.

That has been true until the last several years. Take a look at the republicans in the house for an example. Things started turning to shit when Gingrich and Tom Delay started the "To hell with facts.....say anything to win" strategy that has been refined and honed by the right wing and fox. The closest thing the right now has to a moderate is still batshit over the edge extreme.

I can agree with you to a point, but the Dems have their fair share of wackos and slimeballs too.

Sure, there are some. There have always been some on both sides, but when the right offered McCain and Palin as their hopefuls, they admitted that was the right cutting all ties with moderation, and Romney just reaffirmed that. Again, check out the new batch of republican house members for verification of that.

LOL. What a loon. McCain is far right. You obviously have no idea why Palin was added to the ticket then. Then Romney won the next nomination, not exactly a hard liner conservative. So how exactly does that translate into the right being uncompromising?

Meanwhile the left nominates the most liberal senator and elects him twice, even with dismal results. Most conservatives want the same thing in the OP. it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda. But it wasn't the far right that swept the nation into the Republican corner on November 4th, it was every day folks that got tired of the constant bullshit and insults from the left. You can only play that hand for so long, working people will eventually figure out that you can't run a country on hope and change.

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.
the right does the same thing to those who oppose their agenda too....you see that every day here....

How so? Specifically, I mean... .

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"That's all well and good, only... there is no compromising with the modern GOP the last good republican ever in the history of American Politics was Eisenhower, and he was ONLY good for his day... not ours with our modern perspectives and expectations and culture."

There's no way to show a potential correlation between that nonsense and that of the would be 'Moderate'.

In my experience, the would-be Moderates make the claims which sound OH SO reasonable... but when push comes to shove, they're fuckin' marxists, who simply lack the courage to commit.

In truth there are no moderates on the Ideological Left... there are only those Leftists with lower levels of commitment.

you must be to far to the right to see them then....but then its all a matter of how one perceives the other side isnt it?...as someone in the middle i see moderates here on both sides....

What is a 'far-right'?

Is there some means to 'REALLY' recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that govern human behavior? Meaning that one would somehow WAY more recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that govern human behavior, than other people who do?

How does that work exactly... I've always been fascinated by this notion. Sadly no one has ever been able to explain how such would be possible.

Can you explain how such would be possible? I sure hope ya can... because, if ya can't... your argument is totally boned.

 

[Iceweasel]

Rarely are the major party nominees or those who get elected the most extreme in the race. The vast majority of folks who get elected are more centered. Obviously there are local exceptions, but most of the time, the more moderate candidates are the most successful.

That has been true until the last several years. Take a look at the republicans in the house for an example. Things started turning to shit when Gingrich and Tom Delay started the "To hell with facts.....say anything to win" strategy that has been refined and honed by the right wing and fox. The closest thing the right now has to a moderate is still batshit over the edge extreme.

I can agree with you to a point, but the Dems have their fair share of wackos and slimeballs too.

Sure, there are some. There have always been some on both sides, but when the right offered McCain and Palin as their hopefuls, they admitted that was the right cutting all ties with moderation, and Romney just reaffirmed that. Again, check out the new batch of republican house members for verification of that.

LOL. What a loon. McCain is far right. You obviously have no idea why Palin was added to the ticket then. Then Romney won the next nomination, not exactly a hard liner conservative. So how exactly does that translate into the right being uncompromising?

Meanwhile the left nominates the most liberal senator and elects him twice, even with dismal results. Most conservatives want the same thing in the OP. it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda. But it wasn't the far right that swept the nation into the Republican corner on November 4th, it was every day folks that got tired of the constant bullshit and insults from the left. You can only play that hand for so long, working people will eventually figure out that you can't run a country on hope and change.

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.
the right does the same thing to those who oppose their agenda too....you see that every day here....

I didn't know spending responsibly and freedom was an agenda.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Ice... Harry has a LOT to 'feel' about here. Please give her some space.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Whow. There's a lot of us dems who like our concept of a free market economy and we don't want socialism. While we want government to help take care of our citizens who can't take care of themselves due to mental, physical or out of work challenges, we don't want a society where the able bodied do nothing and collect benefits when they should be contributing to society. That's not socialism. That's us taking care of us.
We also don't want government over regulating business anymore than we want them under regulating it as well. We want a balance where companies, workers and government work together so we all win rather than just the few greedy. Again this is not socialism but us taking care of ourselves the way we're supposed to as human beings as well as citizens of our great Nation.
Compromise and working together is what made us great and it's the only true way for us to restore ourselves because no one but us can or ever will.

We're the democrats the world labels as "moderates."

What you just described yourself as, is Conservative.

And there is NOTHING you can do to advance what you have just defined, by compromising with those who intend to crush you. When you compromise with them, you cut your goal short and advance their goals... .

are they not doing the same thing by compromising with you?....thats what compromise is.....you give a little i give a little.....we both lose a little....but in the end we both can get by with what we agreed upon.....

So... you're asking if Evil, slows its roll, when it needs to compromise with good to advance its agenda to advance chaos, calamity and catastrophe?

Hmm... Ya know. I think it must.

The difference is that evil is invalid, counter productive to the intrinsic interest humanity, injurious to human culture.

SOooo... I suppose, where the point is to promote viability of the species and the sustainability of the culture, maybe where we consider the perspective of that which competes with our viability... MAYBE... we should not allow it to advance by half measures, through our compromising with it.

Of course, I'm just spit-balling here... I mean who am I to say that people operating on perverse reasoning aren't perfectly entitled to fuck things up for everyone, through the advancement of their own subjective needs?

So... you're asking if Evil, slows its roll, when it needs to compromise with good to advance its agenda to advance chaos, calamity and catastrophe?
who are you saying is evil and who is good?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

That has been true until the last several years. Take a look at the republicans in the house for an example. Things started turning to shit when Gingrich and Tom Delay started the "To hell with facts.....say anything to win" strategy that has been refined and honed by the right wing and fox. The closest thing the right now has to a moderate is still batshit over the edge extreme.

I can agree with you to a point, but the Dems have their fair share of wackos and slimeballs too.

Sure, there are some. There have always been some on both sides, but when the right offered McCain and Palin as their hopefuls, they admitted that was the right cutting all ties with moderation, and Romney just reaffirmed that. Again, check out the new batch of republican house members for verification of that.

LOL. What a loon. McCain is far right. You obviously have no idea why Palin was added to the ticket then. Then Romney won the next nomination, not exactly a hard liner conservative. So how exactly does that translate into the right being uncompromising?

Meanwhile the left nominates the most liberal senator and elects him twice, even with dismal results. Most conservatives want the same thing in the OP. it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda. But it wasn't the far right that swept the nation into the Republican corner on November 4th, it was every day folks that got tired of the constant bullshit and insults from the left. You can only play that hand for so long, working people will eventually figure out that you can't run a country on hope and change.

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.
the right does the same thing to those who oppose their agenda too....you see that every day here....

How so? Specifically, I mean... .

you been here a year and if you have to ask...that means you may be one of them.....75% of the posts here is one side or the other demeaning the other side because one did not agree with what was said......

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Ideologues love to bash moderates and call them fence-sitters, yet ideologues are simply followers of narrow thinkers.

Yep.

The biggest enemy of a partisan ideologue is not a partisan ideologue from the other side. They're easy.

The biggest enemy of a partisan ideologue is someone who chooses to think for themselves.

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Yep, so many on here hate people who don't fit into a pigeon hole.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That has been true until the last several years. Take a look at the republicans in the house for an example. Things started turning to shit when Gingrich and Tom Delay started the "To hell with facts.....say anything to win" strategy that has been refined and honed by the right wing and fox. The closest thing the right now has to a moderate is still batshit over the edge extreme.

I can agree with you to a point, but the Dems have their fair share of wackos and slimeballs too.

Sure, there are some. There have always been some on both sides, but when the right offered McCain and Palin as their hopefuls, they admitted that was the right cutting all ties with moderation, and Romney just reaffirmed that. Again, check out the new batch of republican house members for verification of that.

LOL. What a loon. McCain is far right. You obviously have no idea why Palin was added to the ticket then. Then Romney won the next nomination, not exactly a hard liner conservative. So how exactly does that translate into the right being uncompromising?

Meanwhile the left nominates the most liberal senator and elects him twice, even with dismal results. Most conservatives want the same thing in the OP. it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda. But it wasn't the far right that swept the nation into the Republican corner on November 4th, it was every day folks that got tired of the constant bullshit and insults from the left. You can only play that hand for so long, working people will eventually figure out that you can't run a country on hope and change.

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.
the right does the same thing to those who oppose their agenda too....you see that every day here....

I didn't know spending responsibly and freedom was an agenda.

is that the only agenda the right has?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ice... Harry has a LOT to 'feel' about here. Please give her some space.

sometimes those who are too far one way or the other dont seem to feel anything....so madame you may have all the space you need....here let me give you one of these....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I can agree with you to a point, but the Dems have their fair share of wackos and slimeballs too.

Sure, there are some. There have always been some on both sides, but when the right offered McCain and Palin as their hopefuls, they admitted that was the right cutting all ties with moderation, and Romney just reaffirmed that. Again, check out the new batch of republican house members for verification of that.

LOL. What a loon. McCain is far right. You obviously have no idea why Palin was added to the ticket then. Then Romney won the next nomination, not exactly a hard liner conservative. So how exactly does that translate into the right being uncompromising?

Meanwhile the left nominates the most liberal senator and elects him twice, even with dismal results. Most conservatives want the same thing in the OP. it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda. But it wasn't the far right that swept the nation into the Republican corner on November 4th, it was every day folks that got tired of the constant bullshit and insults from the left. You can only play that hand for so long, working people will eventually figure out that you can't run a country on hope and change.

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.
the right does the same thing to those who oppose their agenda too....you see that every day here....

How so? Specifically, I mean... .

you been here a year and if you have to ask...that means you may be one of them.....75% of the posts here is one side or the other demeaning the other side because one did not agree with what was said......

So you felt that obscuring the point would answer the question?

So let's try it again but with a better understanding of the point of the question:

Specific: clearly defined or identified: precise and clear in making statements or issuing instructions: belonging or relating uniquely to a particular subject.

Specifically: to be specific.

Now this was YOU:

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.

Then I asked:

How so? Specifically, I mean... .

So with your brand new exposure to reality... GO!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Sure, there are some. There have always been some on both sides, but when the right offered McCain and Palin as their hopefuls, they admitted that was the right cutting all ties with moderation, and Romney just reaffirmed that. Again, check out the new batch of republican house members for verification of that.

LOL. What a loon. McCain is far right. You obviously have no idea why Palin was added to the ticket then. Then Romney won the next nomination, not exactly a hard liner conservative. So how exactly does that translate into the right being uncompromising?

Meanwhile the left nominates the most liberal senator and elects him twice, even with dismal results. Most conservatives want the same thing in the OP. it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda. But it wasn't the far right that swept the nation into the Republican corner on November 4th, it was every day folks that got tired of the constant bullshit and insults from the left. You can only play that hand for so long, working people will eventually figure out that you can't run a country on hope and change.

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.
the right does the same thing to those who oppose their agenda too....you see that every day here....

How so? Specifically, I mean... .

you been here a year and if you have to ask...that means you may be one of them.....75% of the posts here is one side or the other demeaning the other side because one did not agree with what was said......

So you felt that obscuring the point would answer the question?

So let's try it again but with a better understanding of the point of the question:

Specific: clearly defined or identified: precise and clear in making statements or issuing instructions: belonging or relating uniquely to a particular subject.

Specifically: to be specific.

Now this was YOU:

it's the left that mischaracterizes and demonize all those who would oppose a far left agenda.

Then I asked:

How so? Specifically, I mean... .

So with your brand new exposure to reality... GO!

i think you got the wrong guy....i bolded weasels post......

 

[Harry Dresden]

"That's all well and good, only... there is no compromising with the modern GOP the last good republican ever in the history of American Politics was Eisenhower, and he was ONLY good for his day... not ours with our modern perspectives and expectations and culture."

There's no way to show a potential correlation between that nonsense and that of the would be 'Moderate'.

In my experience, the would-be Moderates make the claims which sound OH SO reasonable... but when push comes to shove, they're fuckin' marxists, who simply lack the courage to commit.

In truth there are no moderates on the Ideological Left... there are only those Leftists with lower levels of commitment.

you must be to far to the right to see them then....but then its all a matter of how one perceives the other side isnt it?...as someone in the middle i see moderates here on both sides....

What is a 'far-right'?

Is there some means to 'REALLY' recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that govern human behavior? Meaning that one would somehow WAY more recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that govern human behavior, than other people who do?

How does that work exactly... I've always been fascinated by this notion. Sadly no one has ever been able to explain how such would be possible.

Can you explain how such would be possible? I sure hope ya can... because, if ya can't... your argument is totally boned.

What is a 'far-right'?
a person who does not question anything told them by the right.....a person who always thinks the right is always right the other side always wrong....someone who thinks ALL Mexicans are here to rob,steal and rape.....someone who thinks if you are in a Union you are a piece of shit....if you work for the Govt...you dont have a real job....you are sick and dont have Ins....oh well,sucks to be you.....thinks drinking Beer and get drunk and rowdy and stupid is real manly....smoke a Joint?....you should be shot on sight.....Gay people?....fuck those faggots....should i go on?.....

 

[Iceweasel]

What is a 'far-right'?
a person who does not question anything told them by the right.....a person who always thinks the right is always right the other side always wrong....someone who thinks ALL Mexicans are here to rob,steal and rape.....someone who thinks if you are in a Union you are a piece of shit....if you work for the Govt...you dont have a real job....you are sick and dont have Ins....oh well,sucks to be you.....thinks drinking Beer and get drunk and rowdy and stupid is real manly....smoke a Joint?....you should be shot on sight.....Gay people?....fuck those faggots....should i go on?.....

Please continue. When a man makes a fool of himself you get out of his way.

 

[eagle1462010]

"That's all well and good, only... there is no compromising with the modern GOP the last good republican ever in the history of American Politics was Eisenhower, and he was ONLY good for his day... not ours with our modern perspectives and expectations and culture."

There's no way to show a potential correlation between that nonsense and that of the would be 'Moderate'.

In my experience, the would-be Moderates make the claims which sound OH SO reasonable... but when push comes to shove, they're fuckin' marxists, who simply lack the courage to commit.

In truth there are no moderates on the Ideological Left... there are only those Leftists with lower levels of commitment.

you must be to far to the right to see them then....but then its all a matter of how one perceives the other side isnt it?...as someone in the middle i see moderates here on both sides....

What is a 'far-right'?

Is there some means to 'REALLY' recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that govern human behavior? Meaning that one would somehow WAY more recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that govern human behavior, than other people who do?

How does that work exactly... I've always been fascinated by this notion. Sadly no one has ever been able to explain how such would be possible.

Can you explain how such would be possible? I sure hope ya can... because, if ya can't... your argument is totally boned.

What is a 'far-right'?
a person who does not question anything told them by the right.....a person who always thinks the right is always right the other side always wrong....someone who thinks ALL Mexicans are here to rob,steal and rape.....someone who thinks if you are in a Union you are a piece of shit....if you work for the Govt...you dont have a real job....you are sick and dont have Ins....oh well,sucks to be you.....thinks drinking Beer and get drunk and rowdy and stupid is real manly....smoke a Joint?....you should be shot on sight.....Gay people?....fuck those faggots....should i go on?.....

Those labeled the FAR RIGHT in your posts are anyone who doesn't agree with you.

The only norm in the world is how you see it.....You are the borg.

Your definition is just propaganda and nothing more. It is your usual rant,

 

[2aguy]

The "Far Right"....those who value individual rights and freedoms....believe the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are 2 of the greatest man made documents ever created and believe that the ideas of limited government, a government of separated powers, is the best way to keep government from destroying freedoms. The Far Right actually believes in the Bill of Rights and the freedoms that are listed there....only listed because they are not given to us by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, they are ours by simply being human beings.

The Far Right believes in "LEGAL" immigration....with the assimilation of American values that are the values which allowed this country to become the most powerful, most free and most just country on Earth in just over 200 years. Speaking for myself, I enjoy all people who come here from around the world who want a chance to find freedom and success here....but we have to have actual legal procedures to do that in an orderly manner, that doesn't destroy the very freedoms those individuals are seeking when they come here....

The Far Right actually believes that all men and women are created equal.....we do not support the racism inherent in the democrat party that sees any one with a different skin color as a ward of the state....which they control....

Equality of justice before the law is also Far Right....regardless of skin color or place in society....

Those are some of the things a Far Right individual such as myself believes....

We are not the Borg Collective....sadly, the democrats embrace assimilation into the hive mind that is the state....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

What is a 'far-right'?
a person who does not question anything told them by the right.....a person who always thinks the right is always right the other side always wrong....someone who thinks ALL Mexicans are here to rob,steal and rape.....someone who thinks if you are in a Union you are a piece of shit....if you work for the Govt...you dont have a real job....you are sick and dont have Ins....oh well,sucks to be you.....thinks drinking Beer and get drunk and rowdy and stupid is real manly....smoke a Joint?....you should be shot on sight.....Gay people?....fuck those faggots....should i go on?.....

So as predicted, the "Far-Right" does not actually exist, except in your 'feelings' as your subjective needs require.

Thus your arguments based upon the Far-right, are, as noted: Totally boned!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The "Far Right"....those who value individual rights and freedoms....believe the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are 2 of the greatest man made documents ever created and believe that the ideas of limited government, a government of separated powers, is the best way to keep government from destroying freedoms. The Far Right actually believes in the Bill of Rights and the freedoms that are listed there....only listed because they are not given to us by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, they are ours by simply being human beings.

The Far Right believes in "LEGAL" immigration....with the assimilation of American values that are the values which allowed this country to become the most powerful, most free and most just country on Earth in just over 200 years. Speaking for myself, I enjoy all people who come here from around the world who want a chance to find freedom and success here....but we have to have actual legal procedures to do that in an orderly manner, that doesn't destroy the very freedoms those individuals are seeking when they come here....

The Far Right actually believes that all men and women are created equal.....we do not support the racism inherent in the democrat party that sees any one with a different skin color as a ward of the state....which they control....

Equality of justice before the law is also Far Right....regardless of skin color or place in society....

Those are some of the things a Far Right individual such as myself believes....

We are not the Borg Collective....sadly, the democrats embrace assimilation into the hive mind that is the state....

Yep... the would-be "Far-Right" are merely the Americans. OKA: Those who are Right. Opposed by The Left, OKA: The Anti-Americans. AKA: The Wrong.

 

[Mac1958]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

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[Where_r_my_Keys]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

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No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.