Moderates

[BlueJay28]

Whow. There's a lot of us dems who like our concept of a free market economy and we don't want socialism. While we want government to help take care of our citizens who can't take care of themselves due to mental, physical or out of work challenges, we don't want a society where the able bodied do nothing and collect benefits when they should be contributing to society. That's not socialism. That's us taking care of us.
We also don't want government over regulating business anymore than we want them under regulating it as well. We want a balance where companies, workers and government work together so we all win rather than just the few greedy. Again this is not socialism but us taking care of ourselves the way we're supposed to as human beings as well as citizens of our great Nation.
Compromise and working together is what made us great and it's the only true way for us to restore ourselves because no one but us can or ever will.

We're the democrats the world labels as "moderates."





That's all well and good, only... there is no compromising with the modern GOP the last good republican ever in the history of American Politics was Eisenhower, and he was ONLY good for his day... not ours with our modern perspectives and expectations and culture.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Moderates are sane people that just want to live within a first world country without the BS.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Moderates are sane people that just want to live within a first world country without the BS.

Moderates are chum in the waters for bigger fish. You haven't gotten your way for so long that you've forgotten that you ever did, and you have no idea how to start getting your way again.

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Moderates are the Roman mob. "Give them bread and circuses and they'll never revolt"--Juvenal

 

[Mac1958]

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There are plenty of people in both parties who are more than happy to rationally and reasonably discuss the issues and come to mature agreements.

Unfortunately, their voices are now completely drowned out by the hardcore partisan ideologues who put ideology and perceived political advantage over country.

Not sure how this gets fixed. It would take some real leadership by some very brave and well-known people to put these narcissists in their place.

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[JoeNormal]

Whow. There's a lot of us dems who like our concept of a free market economy and we don't want socialism. While we want government to help take care of our citizens who can't take care of themselves due to mental, physical or out of work challenges, we don't want a society where the able bodied do nothing and collect benefits when they should be contributing to society. That's not socialism. That's us taking care of us.
We also don't want government over regulating business anymore than we want them under regulating it as well. We want a balance where companies, workers and government work together so we all win rather than just the few greedy. Again this is not socialism but us taking care of ourselves the way we're supposed to as human beings as well as citizens of our great Nation.
Compromise and working together is what made us great and it's the only true way for us to restore ourselves because no one but us can or ever will.

We're the democrats the world labels as "moderates."





That's all well and good, only... there is no compromising with the modern GOP the last good republican ever in the history of American Politics was Eisenhower, and he was ONLY good for his day... not ours with our modern perspectives and expectations and culture.

I agree wholeheartedly. Now we have a group of obstructionists, elected by a group of voters who are stupid enough to believe they are the best solution. Like I've always said, one screaming toddler can ruin dinner for a whole restaurant full of mature adults.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Moderates - the silent majority. They usually hold the balance of all elections.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Moderates - the silent majority. They usually hold the balance of all elections.

They are silent alright, like the dead and just as effective.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Moderates - the silent majority. They usually hold the balance of all elections.

They are silent alright, like the dead and just as effective.

Except they vote.
(Thank goodness)

 

[eagle1462010]

The actual voting moderate Dems were the Blue Dogs In a way. What happened to them?

The voting Reps in the Congress and Senate toe the party lines on virtually every issue.

There might be moderates in this country, but they aren't the ones creating and passing the bills.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Moderates - the silent majority. They usually hold the balance of all elections.

They are silent alright, like the dead and just as effective.

Except they vote.
(Thank goodness)

Great, please name all the Moderates they've elected recently?

 

[Mac1958]

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The hardcore partisan ideologues have turned our system into the political equivalent of professional wrestling.

And, like true narcissists, they're proud of the damage they're causing.

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[nodoginnafight]

Moderates - the silent majority. They usually hold the balance of all elections.

They are silent alright, like the dead and just as effective.

Except they vote.
(Thank goodness)

Great, please name all the Moderates they've elected recently?

Rarely are the major party nominees or those who get elected the most extreme in the race. The vast majority of folks who get elected are more centered. Obviously there are local exceptions, but most of the time, the more moderate candidates are the most successful.

 

[2aguy]

Moderates are people who don't pay attention to actual politics, or they are liberal Republicans who are afraid to say they are liberals....

 

[Toro]

Whow. There's a lot of us dems who like our concept of a free market economy and we don't want socialism. While we want government to help take care of our citizens who can't take care of themselves due to mental, physical or out of work challenges, we don't want a society where the able bodied do nothing and collect benefits when they should be contributing to society. That's not socialism. That's us taking care of us.
We also don't want government over regulating business anymore than we want them under regulating it as well. We want a balance where companies, workers and government work together so we all win rather than just the few greedy. Again this is not socialism but us taking care of ourselves the way we're supposed to as human beings as well as citizens of our great Nation.
Compromise and working together is what made us great and it's the only true way for us to restore ourselves because no one but us can or ever will.

We're the democrats the world labels as "moderates."





That's all well and good, only... there is no compromising with the modern GOP the last good republican ever in the history of American Politics was Eisenhower, and he was ONLY good for his day... not ours with our modern perspectives and expectations and culture.

I generally agree except for your last sentence. I'm a moderate in the Republican Party. I do think there are a too many Republicans who are batshit crazy (re: birfers), but that's true of Democrats too (re:twoofers). That so many in the party think Jeb Bush isn't a conservative shows how far to the right and stridently ideological many in the Republican Party now are.

 

[kiwiman127]

Considering our two party system and who they put up for office is dominated by "the base" of each party that is typically controlled my die-hard ideologues, it's tough to get moderates on the general election ballot.
It was good to see the GOP establishment offer up some moderate blood to differentiate itself from the more radical Tea Party. It worked.
Considering most people are closer to the center, moving to the center was a wise move.
Now we'll see exactly how moderate these newly elected Republican moderates are. Was it a snow job or was it the real thing?

 

[Discombobulated]

Whow. There's a lot of us dems who like our concept of a free market economy and we don't want socialism. While we want government to help take care of our citizens who can't take care of themselves due to mental, physical or out of work challenges, we don't want a society where the able bodied do nothing and collect benefits when they should be contributing to society. That's not socialism. That's us taking care of us.
We also don't want government over regulating business anymore than we want them under regulating it as well. We want a balance where companies, workers and government work together so we all win rather than just the few greedy. Again this is not socialism but us taking care of ourselves the way we're supposed to as human beings as well as citizens of our great Nation.
Compromise and working together is what made us great and it's the only true way for us to restore ourselves because no one but us can or ever will.

We're the democrats the world labels as "moderates."





That's all well and good, only... there is no compromising with the modern GOP the last good republican ever in the history of American Politics was Eisenhower, and he was ONLY good for his day... not ours with our modern perspectives and expectations and culture.

The whole concept of moderate doesn't work for some people. FOX News fans are constantly bombarded with the idea that you are either one thing or the other, there are no gray areas on any issue as far as they're concerned. MSNBC plays into that theory by presenting the opposite view rather than simply debunking FOX News stories....which is easily done.

 

[kiwiman127]

The actual voting moderate Dems were the Blue Dogs In a way. What happened to them?

The voting Reps in the Congress and Senate toe the party lines on virtually every issue.

There might be moderates in this country, but they aren't the ones creating and passing the bills.

Moderates are people who don't pay attention to actual politics, or they are liberal Republicans who are afraid to say they are liberals....

We have a lot of threads on USMB by ideologues that are typically based on talking points usually loaded with partisan misrepresentation. That is not paying attention to the issues. It's basically someone self-inflicting themselves with ignorance.
Moderates are usually described as pragmatic. They aren't lured to ideological sites/news/information as their daily habit. They objectively look at the issue. Studying an issue objectively is far superior to looking at it for one side.
Ideologues love to bash moderates and call them fence-sitters, yet ideologues are simply followers of narrow thinkers.

 

[BULLDOG]

Moderates - the silent majority. They usually hold the balance of all elections.

They are silent alright, like the dead and just as effective.

Except they vote.
(Thank goodness)

Great, please name all the Moderates they've elected recently?

Rarely are the major party nominees or those who get elected the most extreme in the race. The vast majority of folks who get elected are more centered. Obviously there are local exceptions, but most of the time, the more moderate candidates are the most successful.

That has been true until the last several years. Take a look at the republicans in the house for an example. Things started turning to shit when Gingrich and Tom Delay started the "To hell with facts.....say anything to win" strategy that has been refined and honed by the right wing and fox. The closest thing the right now has to a moderate is still batshit over the edge extreme.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Moderates - the silent majority. They usually hold the balance of all elections.

They are silent alright, like the dead and just as effective.

Except they vote.
(Thank goodness)

Great, please name all the Moderates they've elected recently?

Rarely are the major party nominees or those who get elected the most extreme in the race. The vast majority of folks who get elected are more centered. Obviously there are local exceptions, but most of the time, the more moderate candidates are the most successful.

That has been true until the last several years. Take a look at the republicans in the house for an example. Things started turning to shit when Gingrich and Tom Delay started the "To hell with facts.....say anything to win" strategy that has been refined and honed by the right wing and fox. The closest thing the right now has to a moderate is still batshit over the edge extreme.

Are you talking about the far-right or the slightly right of center?

The far-right (and the far left) can be successful in specific geographic locations. But it all comes pretty close to equaling out over the big picture. The pendulum swings one way or the other a bit from time to time. But for the most part, it hovers pretty close to the middle.

 

[Mac1958]

Ideologues love to bash moderates and call them fence-sitters, yet ideologues are simply followers of narrow thinkers.

Yep.

The biggest enemy of a partisan ideologue is not a partisan ideologue from the other side. They're easy.

The biggest enemy of a partisan ideologue is someone who chooses to think for themselves.

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