Millions of Americans probably praying that the ACA penalty will end immediately.

[Ray From Cleveland]

Take it to the Bank, Trump will be slapped by the realities on the ground.
Just my opinion but Medicare for all is coming.

It could be. But in order to bring back what we lost, Trump would have to offer an incentive to employers who provide a healthcare benefit. A tax break, a tax credit.....something that would reverse the damage the Democrats have caused.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I don't have a problem not forcing people to have health insurance.

But if they get seriously ill or get cancer, the taxpayer isn't going to foot the bill. Let them die for their stupidity. Oh, and companies should be allowed to charge more to the elderly who've never had insurance before. So that it can keep the payments lower for the responsible amongst us.

So let people die who can't afford Commie Care. Why did I expect that?

really makes little sense, they are willing to let the ones paying for it die, to save the ones that pay nothing.
Is it just me or does anyone else see an eventual problem with this.
The way I see it, by keeping it as it was, sooner or later the ones that refuse to pay will be gone and everything will be working well in the country.
Lets call it survival of the fittest. There is no future in preserving those that pull society down. So sorry about your luck if you are one of the lazy leaches. ( no insult intended)

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Take it to the Bank, Trump will be slapped by the realities on the ground.
Just my opinion but Medicare for all is coming.

It could be. But in order to bring back what we lost, Trump would have to offer an incentive to employers who provide a healthcare benefit. A tax break, a tax credit.....something that would reverse the damage the Democrats have caused.

a tax break? You mean, corporate welfare?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If someone chooses not to have health insurance that is none of your business.

It is when the costs of treating a condition or health issue that has ballooned out of control are WAY higher than preventative care that they could have been undertaking with health insurance.

Those people who refuse to get treatment early and regularly, cost you and me more in the long run. WAY more.

the question is, why should these people cost me or you anything? their health concerns are not my problem. As long as my health is taken care of, I am doing my part not to be a drain on society.
And I have paid my own way since 1978, before that my parents took care of it.
I have no pity for those to lazy or too ignorant to provide for themselves.

Because we're a humane society? Because if someone comes in for treatment to a hospital in an emergency, they will receive treatment?

What are you going to say to Jesus when he confronts you about your views here?

"I just wanted them to die Jesus. I didn't give a fuck about your children. They should all rot in a hole if they don't have the money to pay."

Because of Commie Care, I don't have the money to pay. But nobody thought about us when this scam was passed in a Democrat led Congress. To hell with people like us, we vote Republican anyway.

So far I have been lucky, I have been able to keep my insurance. If I lose it and have to go to the pay for the poor worthless scum fund, then I will have to go without.

That's what happened to me and it's catching on like a cancer.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

It is when the costs of treating a condition or health issue that has ballooned out of control are WAY higher than preventative care that they could have been undertaking with health insurance.

Those people who refuse to get treatment early and regularly, cost you and me more in the long run. WAY more.

the question is, why should these people cost me or you anything? their health concerns are not my problem. As long as my health is taken care of, I am doing my part not to be a drain on society.
And I have paid my own way since 1978, before that my parents took care of it.
I have no pity for those to lazy or too ignorant to provide for themselves.

Because we're a humane society? Because if someone comes in for treatment to a hospital in an emergency, they will receive treatment?

What are you going to say to Jesus when he confronts you about your views here?

"I just wanted them to die Jesus. I didn't give a fuck about your children. They should all rot in a hole if they don't have the money to pay."

Because of Commie Care, I don't have the money to pay. But nobody thought about us when this scam was passed in a Democrat led Congress. To hell with people like us, we vote Republican anyway.

So far I have been lucky, I have been able to keep my insurance. If I lose it and have to go to the pay for the poor worthless scum fund, then I will have to go without.

That's what happened to me and it's catching on like a cancer.

exactly, and the numbers they like to quote like, 10 million have insurance that didnt have it before, fails to mention the millions that no longer have it that have always had it before.
we are saving the cockroaches and throwing the workers under the bus.
Just makes no sense. If society is gong to miss someone that dies due to a lack of insurance, is it more going to miss the welfare queen or is it going to miss someone like you that is productive and contributes to society.
Democrats always do everything backwards.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't have a problem not forcing people to have health insurance.

But if they get seriously ill or get cancer, the taxpayer isn't going to foot the bill. Let them die for their stupidity. Oh, and companies should be allowed to charge more to the elderly who've never had insurance before. So that it can keep the payments lower for the responsible amongst us.

So let people die who can't afford Commie Care. Why did I expect that?

really makes little sense, they are willing to let the ones paying for it die, to save the ones that pay nothing.
Is it just me or does anyone else see an eventual problem with this.
The way I see it, by keeping it as it was, sooner or later the ones that refuse to pay will be gone and everything will be working well in the country.
Lets call it survival of the fittest. There is no future in preserving those that pull society down. So sorry about your luck if you are one of the lazy leaches. ( no insult intended)

Not at all. You see, before Commie Care, most of us got insurance through our employers. Employers had to provide that benefit or risk losing their workers to another company or not being able to find new good workers.

When Commie Care went into play, companies found a way out of providing that benefit with less risk of losing employees. And it doesn't do any good to leave a company to find one that offers that benefit because down the road, they might do the same thing and you'd be right back to where you started, only working at a company at the bottom level.

I made sure that I only worked at companies that provided healthcare. Before Commie Care, it worked out just fine. Today, you can take a job with health benefits only to lose them a year or so down the road.

 

[beagle9]

If someone chooses not to have health insurance that is none of your business.

It is when the costs of treating a condition or health issue that has ballooned out of control are WAY higher than preventative care that they could have been undertaking with health insurance.

Those people who refuse to get treatment early and regularly, cost you and me more in the long run. WAY more.

the question is, why should these people cost me or you anything? their health concerns are not my problem. As long as my health is taken care of, I am doing my part not to be a drain on society.
And I have paid my own way since 1978, before that my parents took care of it.
I have no pity for those to lazy or too ignorant to provide for themselves.

Because we're a humane society? Because if someone comes in for treatment to a hospital in an emergency, they will receive treatment?

What are you going to say to Jesus when he confronts you about your views here?

"I just wanted them to die Jesus. I didn't give a fuck about your children. They should all rot in a hole if they don't have the money to pay."

Because of Commie Care, I don't have the money to pay. But nobody thought about us when this scam was passed in a Democrat led Congress. To hell with people like us, we vote Republican anyway.

So far I have been lucky, I have been able to keep my insurance. If I lose it and have to go to the pay for the poor worthless scum fund, then I will have to go without.

. My friend's wife wanted to see a spine specialist at one of the best places in the nation (her condition is bad), so my friend purchased a supposedly good plan for her on the ACA. He found out that it wouldn't cover her going to the facility after they were on it for a year. He dropped it. Now she is dealing with her pain while they pay the dam fine for her. Family coverage at his job is way to high, so that is out of the question. He pays out of pocket for her to get shots in her back, but that can't last much longer.

 

[beagle9]

the question is, why should these people cost me or you anything? their health concerns are not my problem. As long as my health is taken care of, I am doing my part not to be a drain on society.
And I have paid my own way since 1978, before that my parents took care of it.
I have no pity for those to lazy or too ignorant to provide for themselves.

Because we're a humane society? Because if someone comes in for treatment to a hospital in an emergency, they will receive treatment?

What are you going to say to Jesus when he confronts you about your views here?

"I just wanted them to die Jesus. I didn't give a fuck about your children. They should all rot in a hole if they don't have the money to pay."

Because of Commie Care, I don't have the money to pay. But nobody thought about us when this scam was passed in a Democrat led Congress. To hell with people like us, we vote Republican anyway.

So far I have been lucky, I have been able to keep my insurance. If I lose it and have to go to the pay for the poor worthless scum fund, then I will have to go without.

That's what happened to me and it's catching on like a cancer.

exactly, and the numbers they like to quote like, 10 million have insurance that didnt have it before, fails to mention the millions that no longer have it that have always had it before.
we are saving the cockroaches and throwing the workers under the bus.
Just makes no sense. If society is gong to miss someone that dies due to a lack of insurance, is it more going to miss the welfare queen or is it going to miss someone like you that is productive and contributes to society.
Democrats always do everything backwards.

. No one needs to die, and it shouldn't be the way that it is, but this nation has got to get it's priorities in line again. If not we are totally screwed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

exactly, and the numbers they like to quote like, 10 million have insurance that didnt have it before, fails to mention the millions that no longer have it that have always had it before.
we are saving the cockroaches and throwing the workers under the bus.
Just makes no sense. If society is gong to miss someone that dies due to a lack of insurance, is it more going to miss the welfare queen or is it going to miss someone like you that is productive and contributes to society.
Democrats always do everything backwards.

Wrong. Obama knew exactly what he was doing: providing coverage to his constituents at the cost to Republican constituents.

It was a plan designed to create as many new government dependents as possible.

At the time I was ranting about how much I hated Obama because of what he did to me to one of my tenants. She worked at Pizza Hut and told me how much she loved Obama because she now had my health insurance.

This was no accident. Even at her low income, she was paying about $50.00 a month for a reasonable plan.

 

[beagle9]

I don't have a problem not forcing people to have health insurance.

But if they get seriously ill or get cancer, the taxpayer isn't going to foot the bill. Let them die for their stupidity. Oh, and companies should be allowed to charge more to the elderly who've never had insurance before. So that it can keep the payments lower for the responsible amongst us.

So let people die who can't afford Commie Care. Why did I expect that?

really makes little sense, they are willing to let the ones paying for it die, to save the ones that pay nothing.
Is it just me or does anyone else see an eventual problem with this.
The way I see it, by keeping it as it was, sooner or later the ones that refuse to pay will be gone and everything will be working well in the country.
Lets call it survival of the fittest. There is no future in preserving those that pull society down. So sorry about your luck if you are one of the lazy leaches. ( no insult intended)

Not at all. You see, before Commie Care, most of us got insurance through our employers. Employers had to provide that benefit or risk losing their workers to another company or not being able to find new good workers.

When Commie Care went into play, companies found a way out of providing that benefit with less risk of losing employees. And it doesn't do any good to leave a company to find one that offers that benefit because down the road, they might do the same thing and you'd be right back to where you started, only working at a company at the bottom level.

I made sure that I only worked at companies that provided healthcare. Before Commie Care, it worked out just fine. Today, you can take a job with health benefits only to lose them a year or so down the road.

. Yes the pressure on companies is tremendous now also.

 

[francoHFW]

HEALTH CARE IN THE US COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH. ACA needs to be FIXED, and someone has to go after Big Health and Big Pharma.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

HEATH CARE IN THE US COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH. ACA needs to be FIXED, and someone has to go after the Big Health and Big Pharma.

Maybe you just need to find a better job. Ive never had a complaint with my insurance.
why should I suffer because you are not able to support yourself in the manner you think you should live?

 

[jon_berzerk]

I don't have a problem not forcing people to have health insurance.

But if they get seriously ill or get cancer, the taxpayer isn't going to foot the bill. Let them die for their stupidity. Oh, and companies should be allowed to charge more to the elderly who've never had insurance before. So that it can keep the payments lower for the responsible amongst us.

the 150 billion it cost tax payers last year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

. No one needs to die, and it shouldn't be the way that it is, but this nation has got to get it's priorities in line again. If not we are totally screwed.

At this point, there are only two options: One of course is the plan I suggested in giving companies an incentive to once again provide coverage to their employees, and the second one is to have an all government healthcare system.

But if we are to have an all government system, then everybody should pay; not just political foes like Commie Care has.

I suggest a consumption tax. Everybody pays, rich, poor, middle-class. And everybody is covered rich, poor, middle-class. They more you buy, the more you pay.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

HEATH CARE IN THE US COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH. ACA needs to be FIXED, and someone has to go after the Big Health and Big Pharma.

Big health and Big pharma are not the problem. We need to go after BIG GOVERNMENT, and we took the first step by electing Donald Trump.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I don't have a problem not forcing people to have health insurance.

But if they get seriously ill or get cancer, the taxpayer isn't going to foot the bill. Let them die for their stupidity. Oh, and companies should be allowed to charge more to the elderly who've never had insurance before. So that it can keep the payments lower for the responsible amongst us.

I would go for this.
It actually sounds very reasonable, and by removing safety nets, more people would end up providing for themselves.

 

[beagle9]

HEATH CARE IN THE US COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH. ACA needs to be FIXED, and someone has to go after the Big Health and Big Pharma.

Maybe you just need to find a better job. Ive never had a complaint with my insurance.
why should I suffer because you are not able to support yourself in the manner you think you should live?

. Not the answer, because the cost is to high to be fair about it.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

HEATH CARE IN THE US COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH. ACA needs to be FIXED, and someone has to go after the Big Health and Big Pharma.

Maybe you just need to find a better job. Ive never had a complaint with my insurance.
why should I suffer because you are not able to support yourself in the manner you think you should live?

. Not the answer, because the cost is to high to be fair about it.

what does the cost of a product have to do with it being fair?
not everything can be affordable to everyone.

 

[beagle9]

HEATH CARE IN THE US COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH. ACA needs to be FIXED, and someone has to go after the Big Health and Big Pharma.

Maybe you just need to find a better job. Ive never had a complaint with my insurance.
why should I suffer because you are not able to support yourself in the manner you think you should live?

. Not the answer, because the cost is to high to be fair about it.

what does the cost of a product have to do with it being fair?
not everything can be affordable to everyone.

. True but healthcare should be affordable to everyone who is an American, and does the best that they can in life.

 

[francoHFW]

or simple payer

HEATH CARE IN THE US COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH. ACA needs to be FIXED, and someone has to go after the Big Health and Big Pharma.

Maybe you just need to find a better job. Ive never had a complaint with my insurance.
why should I suffer because you are not able to support yourself in the manner you think you should live?

I'm retired and fine, thanks. Can you see past the end of your nose? Health costs almost 18% of GDP, while no other country costs more than 12%, with better outcomes. That's the problem, stupid.