Millionaires Growing By Leaps And Bounds!!!

i only care till i have money. :D

Well..

I'm sorta "upper" middle class..but it bodes badly for a society to concentrate wealth.

It's kinda like concentrating all your blood into your pinky. Your pinky might be fine and dandy..but the body will die.


so how does wealth get concentrated, can you explain that to me, exactly?

your pinky analogy is, well, not good.
 
Teachers work very hard for years and years to become teachers. They spend considerable money on their educations to become teachers...and yet the Republicans are making them out to be evil and are punishing them for a financial crisis not of their making.

We are lowering pay and raising benefit cost shares on working people, but it is sacrilegious to ask the richest people in the country to pay a little more in taxes? They are SITTING on trillions and trillions and TRILLIONS of dollars and the country is HURTING, but we can't ask them to pay a little more...:eek: NO, we must take it out on the family of four who is struggling to pay their health insurance bills and put food on their table.

Sorry, but that's fucked up.

Untrue. Republicans want to balance the budget. Those few union teachers want to take $$ and have their grandkids pay the freight.
Fact is teachers are overpaid long term, underpaid short term. In Georgia a 20 year teacher with a masters gets 85K a year + benefits of 15K and teaches 4 classes a day.
Where do I sign up?
There is no shortage of teachers to take jobs that others do not want.
 
Teachers work very hard for years and years to become teachers. They spend considerable money on their educations to become teachers...and yet the Republicans are making them out to be evil and are punishing them for a financial crisis not of their making.

We are lowering pay and raising benefit cost shares on working people, but it is sacrilegious to ask the richest people in the country to pay a little more in taxes? They are SITTING on trillions and trillions and TRILLIONS of dollars and the country is HURTING, but we can't ask them to pay a little more...:eek: NO, we must take it out on the family of four who is struggling to pay their health insurance bills and put food on their table.

Sorry, but that's fucked up.

as a deep liberal in...California, I cannot take your rant seriously, I mean really, take a look around, the sate, ala LA is falling apart to start with. The state is , or that is would be if real world ala private sector accounting rules were applied in hock to its neck and bankrupt. Is all of this public sector unions fault, of course not, BUT they are a large part of the future draw down and claims on a bankrupt treasury.

you apprently don't appear to have a clue as to what belongs to 'private' polple and what the corallary is to taxation and mismanagement that got us here.

Spending ahead of population growth and inflation has got us here, those teachers and personnel at say the U.C.'s that are getting laid off and they are believe you me, are being asked to leave jobs that really should never have been invented or made available in the first place, in short the gov. created the expectation and now cannot deliver the money every week to keep them afloat, you could tax the upper 1% and hell even the 5% all you want up to 70% , and it would not matter, we would still have to pare the tree. If it feels good to think otherwise have at it, but its fantasy.
 
Wait a minute.

I thought people getting rich was a bad thing.
Rich is a relative term. And whether people getting rich is a good thing or a bad thing depends entirely on the overall state of the economy.

Throughout the most prosperous years in our history, which were the decades between the 1940s and 1980s, many millionaires were made but no one paid attention because the middle class was rising in proportion. Very few Americans were considered poor and those who did inhabit that category were relieved by a growing number of federal assistance programs. All of America was proportionately enriched during that period.

Owing to the incremental deregulation of those economic controls put in place to prevent systematic erosion of the middle class America is no longer a rich nation but is rapidly reverting to the status it held during the so-called Gilded Age, the era of "robber barons," a two-class society consisting of the rich, the poor, and a moderately privileged class of civil servants positioned to keep the wheels turning. And at this stage of the backward progression attention is being focused on even that civil service category with the objective of terminating its lingering economic growth.
 
Wait a minute.

I thought people getting rich was a bad thing.
Rich is a relative term. And whether people getting rich is a good thing or a bad thing depends entirely on the overall state of the economy.

Throughout the most prosperous years in our history, which were the decades between the 1940s and 1980s, many millionaires were made but no one paid attention because the middle class was rising in proportion. Very few Americans were considered poor and those who did inhabit that category were relieved by a growing number of federal assistance programs. All of America was proportionately enriched during that period.

Owing to the incremental deregulation of those economic controls put in place to prevent systematic erosion of the middle class America is no longer a rich nation but is rapidly reverting to the status it held during the so-called Gilded Age, the era of "robber barons," a two-class society consisting of the rich, the poor, and a moderately privileged class of civil servants positioned to keep the wheels turning. And at this stage of the backward progression attention is being focused on even that civil service category with the objective of terminating its lingering economic growth.

How does a nation get "poorer"?
Rewarding those that refuse to educate themselves, have children out of wedlock and have a bad attitude with government "assistance" which, when totaled, is a middle class wage in the most other countries in the world. Tax the hell out of productive citizens and create a tax system where over half of the citizens pay NO taxes
or:
Lower taxes on productive citizens, businesses and corporations to spend, invest and create capital for expansion?
 
Rich is a relative term. And whether people getting rich is a good thing or a bad thing depends entirely on the overall state of the economy.

Throughout the most prosperous years in our history, which were the decades between the 1940s and 1980s, many millionaires were made but no one paid attention because the middle class was rising in proportion. Very few Americans were considered poor and those who did inhabit that category were relieved by a growing number of federal assistance programs. All of America was proportionately enriched during that period.

Owing to the incremental deregulation of those economic controls put in place to prevent systematic erosion of the middle class America is no longer a rich nation but is rapidly reverting to the status it held during the so-called Gilded Age, the era of "robber barons," a two-class society consisting of the rich, the poor, and a moderately privileged class of civil servants positioned to keep the wheels turning. And at this stage of the backward progression attention is being focused on even that civil service category with the objective of terminating its lingering economic growth.

How does a nation get "poorer"?
Rewarding those that refuse to educate themselves, have children out of wedlock and have a bad attitude with government "assistance" which, when totaled, is a middle class wage in the most other countries in the world. Tax the hell out of productive citizens and create a tax system where over half of the citizens pay NO taxes
or:
Lower taxes on productive citizens, businesses and corporations to spend, invest and create capital for expansion?

babies out of wedlock. Oh please, Babies at a young age before you can educate yourself i can understand and even agree on, But Marriage does not make or break a society.

R U serious?
Proven fact that children born out of wedlock are much more likely to live in poverty than not.
U didn't know that?
 
by 8% over the year before... probably a lot to do with stocks and retirement accounts
 
How does a nation get "poorer"?

Rewarding those that refuse to educate themselves, have children out of wedlock and have a bad attitude with government "assistance" which, when totaled, is a middle class wage in the most other countries in the world. Tax the hell out of productive citizens and create a tax system where over half of the citizens pay NO taxes
or:

Lower taxes on productive citizens, businesses and corporations to spend, invest and create capital for expansion?
The flaw in that reasoning is the fact that wealth distributed into the hands of the poor is instantly re-circulated, which is what keeps the economy vibrant. If a poor person receives $100 he or she immediately spends that $100, which creates demand, which creates jobs -- and the wheels keep turning. That vibrancy is what drove the economy throughout the late 40s, the 50s, 60s, 70s and early 80s. Regulations that prevailed during those golden years prevented the accumulation of the bulk of the nation's resources by a small group of high-level manipulators.

What we've seen increasingly since the inception of Reaganomics and the attendant deregulation of safeguards is the concentration of wealth into the hands of an extremely small number of pathologically greedy super-rich who hoard it, thereby starving the vitality out of the economy.

That is the main problem. Blaming the poor simply diverts attention from it. So I respectfully suggest that you not be lulled by it. You're much too intelligent for that.
 
These libs.:eusa_eh:They defend not letting us explore for our own energy sources, which increases our gas prices for our cars, increases Natural gas to heat our homes, increases every thing we buy food, anything made with oil who does that hurt? What about this cap a trade crap the libs are pushing? Who does that hurt? They are so mired in their stupid ideology they can't see they are only hurting the people they claim to support.

No amount of domestic drilling is going to have any discernible effect on our gas prices

From the US Department of Energy:

"The projections …indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017."

Furthermore:

"Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant. "

And:

"In addition, the average field size in the Pacific and Atlantic regions tends to be smaller than the average in the Gulf of Mexico, implying that a significant portion of the additional resource would not be economically attractive to develop"


The United States contains 2.5 % of the world's oil resources and 3% of world natural gas resources and yet we are responsible for 24% of total world consumption of oil and 22% of natural gas consumption. The U.S. could drill every national park, wildlife refuge, and coastline and still be importing 60 percent of the oil we use.

Oil and petroleum products are traded globally so there is no guarantee that oil drilled in the U.S. will stay in the U.S...it ain't Vegas baby!

Reducing consumption is the key.

Really? Talking points...which are all the libs have. Who said only oil? We have huge natural gas reserves, that’s the energy of our near future, also we have tons of coal and You just ignored the Cap & trade issue which Obama is implementing through the EPA. As I said energy prices, food, everything will skyrocket hurting the poor and middle class. Now break out of your talking points and use your head. Thanks
 
These libs.:eusa_eh:They defend not letting us explore for our own energy sources, which increases our gas prices for our cars, increases Natural gas to heat our homes, increases every thing we buy food, anything made with oil who does that hurt? What about this cap a trade crap the libs are pushing? Who does that hurt? They are so mired in their stupid ideology they can't see they are only hurting the people they claim to support.

No amount of domestic drilling is going to have any discernible effect on our gas prices

From the US Department of Energy:

"The projections …indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017."

Furthermore:

"Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant. "

And:

"In addition, the average field size in the Pacific and Atlantic regions tends to be smaller than the average in the Gulf of Mexico, implying that a significant portion of the additional resource would not be economically attractive to develop"


The United States contains 2.5 % of the world's oil resources and 3% of world natural gas resources and yet we are responsible for 24% of total world consumption of oil and 22% of natural gas consumption. The U.S. could drill every national park, wildlife refuge, and coastline and still be importing 60 percent of the oil we use.

Oil and petroleum products are traded globally so there is no guarantee that oil drilled in the U.S. will stay in the U.S...it ain't Vegas baby!

Reducing consumption is the key.

Really? Talking points...which are all the libs have. Who said only oil? We have huge natural gas reserves, that’s the energy of our near future, also we have tons of coal and You just ignored the Cap & trade issue which Obama is implementing through the EPA. As I said energy prices, food, everything will skyrocket hurting the poor and middle class. Now break out of your talking points and use your head. Thanks

Oil isn't the answer. Coal isn't the answer. Natural gas is a potential "transition" fuel, but there isn't enough of that for our energy needs in the long run and fracking isn't sounding like a really good thing to do what with all the earthquakes and such.

We can do far more by simply reducing consumption than what drilling for ANYTHING can provide.
 
We have been hearing the virtues of "conservation" since the 1970s at least. No nation ever became great by conservation.
 
We have been hearing the virtues of "conservation" since the 1970s at least. No nation ever became great by conservation.

You're right...raping and pillaging is what makes nations great.
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Imagine how much better shape we would be in had we listened to Jimmy Carter in the 70s?

I've always wondered, what was the purpose of taking the solar panels off the WH?
 
Teachers work very hard for years and years to become teachers. They spend considerable money on their educations to become teachers...and yet the Republicans are making them out to be evil and are punishing them for a financial crisis not of their making.

We are lowering pay and raising benefit cost shares on working people, but it is sacrilegious to ask the richest people in the country to pay a little more in taxes? They are SITTING on trillions and trillions and TRILLIONS of dollars and the country is HURTING, but we can't ask them to pay a little more...:eek: NO, we must take it out on the family of four who is struggling to pay their health insurance bills and put food on their table.

Sorry, but that's fucked up.

So, you own those trillions of dollars? Are they ours to take as we see fit and distribute the way we want to?

The problem with your view of the situation is that you are taking the context of the jobs out of the picture. There is nothing that give you claim to others money and every time you go out of budget you cannot solve it by ransacking those that have made money. Besides being wrong it is also destructive to the nation at large. The teachers are not the bad guys, what they are is employees of the state and therefore subject to whether or not the state has managed to take care of its finances. We have failed in that regard and it is now time to bring the LONG TERM costs of federal employees back to a reasonable level. It is the long term costs, not the outright pay, that will kill these states and those real costs are not even hitting yet. Look at the unfunded liabilities for these pensions and then try and tell me that is not a problem. They number in the trillions. When a company fails to stay profitable it must cut back on costs and one of those is labor. These states are no different and raising taxes in not the catch all. Continue down that road and you end up with no more rich to plunder. Where, then, will you turn to?
 
What we've seen increasingly since the inception of Reaganomics and the attendant deregulation of safeguards is the concentration of wealth into the hands of an extremely small number of pathologically greedy super-rich who hoard it, thereby starving the vitality out of the economy.

That is the main problem. Blaming the poor simply diverts attention from it. So I respectfully suggest that you not be lulled by it. You're much too intelligent for that.
Really? They hoard it? And where might they be hoarding that money that is not in the economy? What mattress does the rich person put it in that is completely separate?
 
It looks like President Obama's economic policies are finally kicking in!!!!

The millionaire population jumped in the U.S. by 8% last year

The number of U.S. households worth at least $1 million rose to 8.4 million in 2010, compared to 7.8 million the prior year, according to a report by Spectrem Group.

Households worth at least $100,000 also grew last year, to 36.2 million from 34.6 million. But the report showed that Americans, even those with money, are more cautious than they used to be.

In the prior year of 2008, the millionaire population plunged 27%

U.S. millionaires population expanded by 8% in 2010 - Yahoo! Finance

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What policy exactly of Obama's caused this increase in wealth. Is this another socialism is a magic elixir argument?
 
It looks like President Obama's economic policies are finally kicking in!!!!

The millionaire population jumped in the U.S. by 8% last year





In the prior year of 2008, the millionaire population plunged 27%

U.S. millionaires population expanded by 8% in 2010 - Yahoo! Finance

.

What policy exactly of Obama's caused this increase in wealth. Is this another socialism is a magic elixir argument?

The same one that Haley Barbour said was a threat to our economic future.

Barbour: Obama's policies a 'threat' to economic future

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Oil isn't the answer. Coal isn't the answer. Natural gas is a potential "transition" fuel, but there isn't enough of that for our energy needs in the long run and fracking isn't sounding like a really good thing to do what with all the earthquakes and such.

We can do far more by simply reducing consumption than what drilling for ANYTHING can provide.

"Reducing consumption?" Give me a break... With all the things I mentioned we have plenty of energy for a 100 yrs. "Reducing consumption" by government mandates? yeah...that'll really help the economy :doubt: Japan and India would take up the slack anyway. We have plenty of cheap energy to get us through as we develope the next generation of energy sources.
 
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IRS goin' after the rich...
:clap2:
IRS cracks down on millionaires
March 29, 2011 -- Watch out millionaires: The IRS is coming for you.
Especially if you make more than $10 million. Audits of these folks surged 73% last year, hitting more than 18% of taxpayers in the highest income bracket, according to recently released statistics from the IRS. "There's always been this public perception that the rich are getting away with murder and the poor guy is left footing the bill," said Thomas Cooke, professor of accounting and business law at Georgetown University. "It's true that historically the low income earner was more likely to be subject to an examination than a high income earner, but now the higher income taxpayer is getting the greater focus."

Taxpayers making between $5 million and $10 million were also under more scrutiny last year. The IRS examined nearly 12% of the returns it received from people in this tax bracket -- a 54% jump from the previous year. Regular millionaires were in the crosshairs as well. Audits of taxpayers with income over $1 million increased 15% last year. The move to crack down on millionaires comes as the IRS looks to boost revenue and to improve its image among average taxpayers who think the IRS favors the wealthy, said Cooke.

Because rich taxpayers can often afford to spend more money on tax preparers and accountants, the perception has been that they can cheat the system more easily than the average Joe who is doing his taxes with a company like TurboTax or on his own. And of course more audits of the wealthy mean more revenue for the tax agency; funds collected from auditing jumped 18% to $57.6 billion last year. "The IRS is looking for additional sources of revenue, and the higher the income, the greater the potential reward when the IRS finds mistakes," Cooke said.

In fact, the IRS has even launched a unit to specifically monitor high income individuals, called the Global High Wealth Industry unit, which took effect last year. But a jump in audits doesn't necessarily mean that the IRS will hit the jackpot immediately. Many audits aren't resolved for several years, so the IRS will need to gauge how much money the new enforcement efforts bring in over the next few years. And the agency is only likely to continue ramping up audits of the wealthy if a significant amount of money is collected as a result.

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IRS goin' after the rich...
:clap2:
IRS cracks down on millionaires
March 29, 2011 -- Watch out millionaires: The IRS is coming for you.
Especially if you make more than $10 million. Audits of these folks surged 73% last year, hitting more than 18% of taxpayers in the highest income bracket, according to recently released statistics from the IRS. "There's always been this public perception that the rich are getting away with murder and the poor guy is left footing the bill," said Thomas Cooke, professor of accounting and business law at Georgetown University. "It's true that historically the low income earner was more likely to be subject to an examination than a high income earner, but now the higher income taxpayer is getting the greater focus."

Taxpayers making between $5 million and $10 million were also under more scrutiny last year. The IRS examined nearly 12% of the returns it received from people in this tax bracket -- a 54% jump from the previous year. Regular millionaires were in the crosshairs as well. Audits of taxpayers with income over $1 million increased 15% last year. The move to crack down on millionaires comes as the IRS looks to boost revenue and to improve its image among average taxpayers who think the IRS favors the wealthy, said Cooke.

Because rich taxpayers can often afford to spend more money on tax preparers and accountants, the perception has been that they can cheat the system more easily than the average Joe who is doing his taxes with a company like TurboTax or on his own. And of course more audits of the wealthy mean more revenue for the tax agency; funds collected from auditing jumped 18% to $57.6 billion last year. "The IRS is looking for additional sources of revenue, and the higher the income, the greater the potential reward when the IRS finds mistakes," Cooke said.

In fact, the IRS has even launched a unit to specifically monitor high income individuals, called the Global High Wealth Industry unit, which took effect last year. But a jump in audits doesn't necessarily mean that the IRS will hit the jackpot immediately. Many audits aren't resolved for several years, so the IRS will need to gauge how much money the new enforcement efforts bring in over the next few years. And the agency is only likely to continue ramping up audits of the wealthy if a significant amount of money is collected as a result.

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The IRS costs taxpayers more than than it collects through audits of the evil rich
 

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