McCarthyism Style Witch-Hunt Attacks Baseball Players

[Itsthetruth]

So the documents prove that Joseph McCarthy accused a lot of people of being communists, Marxists, socialists or radicals of one kind of another.

So what? Everyone understands and knows about his witch-hunting smear campaign and methods. Nothing new here at all.

Lots of people were called communists. And some were communists or Marxists of one kind of another.

Big Deal! Who cares? I've known self-described communists and have debated them! I didn't hide under my bed afraid of them thinking they were super-secret spies, foreign government agents, mad bombers and other such nonsense.

Perhaps you should read some literature on the long radical history of the United States and the history of radicals in the United States. People who do that are better informed and not so paranoid. Most people just don't accept right-wing "political correctness". And most of us who do not blindly follow the right-wing version of "political correctness" are not radicals or communists! And those that are radicals, socialists or even communists have a right to their point of view just as much as right-wingers including the neo-fascists within their ranks. The Bill of Rights is not reserved solely for the right-wing in America.

 

[musicman]

So the documents prove that Joseph McCarthy accused a lot of people of being communists, Marxists, socialists or radicals of one kind of another.

So what? Everyone understands and knows about his witch-hunting smear campaign and methods. Nothing new here at all.

Lots of people were called communists. And some were communists or Marxists of one kind of another.

Big Deal! Who cares? I've known self-described communists and have debated them! I didn't hide under my bed afraid of them thinking they were super-secret spies, foreign government agents, mad bombers and other such nonsense.

Perhaps you should read some literature on the long radical history of the United States and the history of radicals in the United States. People who do that are better informed and not so paranoid. Most people just don't accept right-wing "political correctness". And most of us who do not blindly follow the right-wing version of "political correctness" are not radicals or communists! And those that are radicals, socialists or even communists have a right to their point of view just as much as right-wingers including the neo-fascists within their ranks. The Bill of Rights is not reserved solely for the right-wing in America.

The point is that the communists uncovered by McCarthy WERE spies and foreign agents, in the employ of the Soviet Union (part of those declassified documents included damning KGB PAYROLL records!), who had gotten themselves into useful positions of power and influence in the State and Defense Departments. Aiding them in the cause of undermining America were equally treacherous traitors in the entertainment field, who followed the Communist directive to "seize the weapon of culture". That backstabbing influence continues to this day. McCarthy might have been a miserable, overly-ambitious prick, but he wasn't wrong.

Please do not try to obscure and generalize the term, "politically correct". It's meaning is quite specific, as I'm sure you're aware. It defines, and unmasks, the liberal - his insidious, America-hating agenda, and his rabid intolerance for any viewpoint other than the "correct" one - that is to say - his own.

 

[musicman]

I agree that he was probably 90 percent correct. But I also doubt that finding communists was his true motive any more than Kerry's trip to Viet Nam was meant to serve his country. I think that both of these men were callous opportunists, totally lacking conscience or ethics.

If you watch some footage from McCarthy's committee and then watch the show trial of the people who attempted to assassinate Hitler, you'll see a lot of very disquieting similarities.

Oh, you'll get no argument from me there, Merlin. By all accounts, McCarthy was a miserable son of a bitch.

 

[Trinity]

The point is that the communists uncovered by McCarthy WERE spies and foreign agents, in the employ of the Soviet Union (part of those declassified documents included damning KGB PAYROLL records!), who had gotten themselves into useful positions of power and influence in the State and Defense Departments. Aiding them in the cause of undermining America were equally treacherous traitors in the entertainment field, who followed the Communist directive to "seize the weapon of culture". That backstabbing influence continues to this day. McCarthy might have been a miserable, overly-ambitious prick, but he wasn't wrong.

Please do not try to obscure and generalize the term, "politically correct". It's meaning is quite specific, as I'm sure you're aware. It defines, and unmasks, the liberal - his insidious, America-hating agenda, and his rabid intolerance for any viewpoint other than the "correct" one - that is to say - his own.

Well Done MM!

 

[Trinity]

Well then I think we are all in agreement that McCarthy was a son of a bitch!


So itsthetrue where are you going to spin this off to next! That is the question!

 

[musicman]

Well Done MM!

 

[musicman]

Well then I think we are all in agreement that McCarthy was a son of a bitch!


So itsthetrue where are you going to spin this off to next! That is the question!

 

[Said1]

So the documents prove that Joseph McCarthy accused a lot of people of being communists, Marxists, socialists or radicals of one kind of another.

So what? Everyone understands and knows about his witch-hunting smear campaign and methods. Nothing new here at all.

Lots of people were called communists. And some were communists or Marxists of one kind of another.

Big Deal! Who cares? I've known self-described communists and have debated them! I didn't hide under my bed afraid of them thinking they were super-secret spies, foreign government agents, mad bombers and other such nonsense.

Perhaps you should read some literature on the long radical history of the United States and the history of radicals in the United States. People who do that are better informed and not so paranoid. Most people just don't accept right-wing "political correctness". And most of us who do not blindly follow the right-wing version of "political correctness" are not radicals or communists! And those that are radicals, socialists or even communists have a right to their point of view just as much as right-wingers including the neo-fascists within their ranks. The Bill of Rights is not reserved solely for the right-wing in America.

Are you better informed?
What is your point of veiw exactly? In your mind, what is poilitically correct?

 

[Merlin1047]

So the documents prove that Joseph McCarthy accused a lot of people of being communists, Marxists, socialists or radicals of one kind of another.

So what? Everyone understands and knows about his witch-hunting smear campaign and methods. Nothing new here at all.

Lots of people were called communists. And some were communists or Marxists of one kind of another.

Big Deal! Who cares? I've known self-described communists and have debated them! I didn't hide under my bed afraid of them thinking they were super-secret spies, foreign government agents, mad bombers and other such nonsense.

You don't read much history, do you. If you did, perhaps you wouldn't make so many ignorant statements in one post. You have to put the McCarthy hearings in the context of history to appreciate the effect that being dragged in front of the Committee for un-American Activities had on people's lives. If you were called and didn't tell McCarthy what he wanted to hear, you were branded a traitor and a communist. That was during the time when the cold war was heating up seriously. People's lives were ruined. People were black-balled and shunned. Some were communists, some were not, but the effect was the same.

Perhaps you should read some literature on the long radical history of the United States and the history of radicals in the United States.

Your lack of understanding is painfully obvious. Doesn't it get just a teeny little bit embarrassing making an ass of yourself on such a regular and recurring basis? Probably not. I doubt that you have enough sense to be embarrassed by your ignorance.

Most people just don't accept right-wing "political correctness". And most of us who do not blindly follow the right-wing version of "political correctness" are not radicals or communists!

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Idiot.

And those that are radicals, socialists or even communists have a right to their point of view just as much as right-wingers including the neo-fascists within their ranks. The Bill of Rights is not reserved solely for the right-wing in America.

Communism is the antithesis of everything this country stands for. Communism seeks to overthrow our form of government and in that sense, they DO NOT have the right to that particular point of view.

You sir, are a damn fool and a diletante. Your childish views are no doubt the product of exposure to college professors who fried their brains on LSD during the '60s and you aren't smart enough to discern fact from propoganda. You've been on this board for a few weeks now and I have yet to see you post anything credible, much less anything even remotely intelligent. Your only value here is as a whipping boy and as comic relief.

Head on over to the Democratic Underground. You will raise the intelligence level of their board by your arrival and this board by your departure.

 

[Trinity]

 

[Itsthetruth]

You have to put the McCarthy hearings in the context of history to appreciate the effect that being dragged in front of the Committee for un-American Activities had on people's lives. If you were called and didn't tell McCarthy what he wanted to hear, you were branded a traitor and a communist. People's lives were ruined. People were black-balled and shunned. Some were communists, some were not, but the effect was the same.

Communism is the antithesis of everything this country stands for. Communism seeks to overthrow our form of government and in that sense, they DO NOT have the right to that particular point of view.

You sir just presented two completely different and contradictory points of view in the same post! That is an incredible accomplishment and I hope you have a reasonable explanation for it.

At first you correctly point out that Jospeh McCarthy ruined peoples lives, that people were blacklisted and that some of these people were communists. From your comment, it appears you did not endorse McCarthy's witch-hunt and the government blacklisting of people who were in some cases "communists" or were sympathetic toward socialism or some form of Marxism.

A little later you state just the opposite opinion, boldly declaring that people who believe in communism are not protected by the Bill of Rights and therefore "DO NOT have the right to that particular point of view". !?!?
Sir .... that was exactly the position of Joseph McCarthy and was the government justification for the witch-hunt and blacklisting of political dissidents!

So which of the above opinions to you really believe in and which of your opinions do you reject?

And if you're unfamiliar with the long radical history of the United States and the history of radicals in the United States just say so. Very few people are. That's nothing for you to be ashamed of.

And I also suggest that rather than engage in personal attacks try sticking to the issues and commenting on the subject matter directly .... if you can.

 

[Itsthetruth]

The point is that the communists uncovered by McCarthy WERE spies and foreign agents, in the employ of the Soviet Union (part of those declassified documents included damning KGB PAYROLL records
Please do not try to obscure and generalize the term, "politically correct". It's meaning is quite specific, as I'm sure you're aware. It defines, and unmasks, the liberal - his insidious, America-hating agenda, and his rabid intolerance for any viewpoint other than the "correct" one - that is to say - his own.

The right-wing has its own warped version of "political correctness". For example, anyone who doesn't except the right-wings disinformation and deceptions regarding Joseph McCarthy is politically wrong, or incorrect.

I have just one question to ask you. Do you believe that members of the American Communist Party were spies stealing military/intelligence information for the old Soviet Union governments?

If your answer is yes, I'd like you to name just 100 ..... no just 10, members of the Communist Party who were charged and convicted of being Soviet spies and what great military secrets did they reveal to the Soviet regime?

Surely that great "anti-communist" crusader and his gay accomplices Roy Cohn and J. Edgar Hoover must have "uncovered" at least 10 American Communist Party members who were Soviet spies. They did call thousands of people communists.

 

[Itsthetruth]

Sorry to hear about your husband.

 

[Itsthetruth]

And obviosuly you have your own little version of things, but if you haven't notice not too many are interested!

There is one significant difference. My views are based upon hard documented facts and not myth or government disinformation and propaganda.

In other words, it's the truth.

 

[Trinity]

Sorry to hear about your husband.

What that he's an Asshole like you!!!


And just doesn't get it either!

 

[Itsthetruth]

What that he's an Asshole like you!!!


And just doesn't get it either!

No. Sorry to hear you married one.

I didn't.

Better luck next time .... or three .... or four.

 

[Itsthetruth]

Ok then, so long as it is your truth!

C'mon now, start a thread and show us hard proof of where Bush went wrong with Iraq, and then you can go on with your evidence on his social security plan that has yet to see any outcome!

"Iraq Misson Accomplished"! Have our troops started coming home yet?

 

[Trinity]

So itsthetrue where are you going to spin this off to next! That is the question!

You know I really hate to quote myself! But seeing that the thread now seems to be leaning towards my so called marriage, I guess it would be appropriate!!

Shall we play!

 

[krisy]

Sorry to hear about your husband.

That was uncalled for smart ass- I thought you might be above that,guess I was wrong!!

:baby:

 

[Itsthetruth]

That was uncalled for smart ass- I thought you might be above that,guess I was wrong!!

:baby:

Krisy: She wrote in French on her post: "Mon mari est un grand abruti ! "

I believe in English that means: "My husband is a moron!" so I wrote "I'm sorry to hear that". That had nothing to do with the subjects being discussed.

I thought she telling a little joke about her spouse so I responded in kind.
It now seems she was not joking. In any case the matter is closed.

If she really wants to discuss the matter in greater detail she could start a new post regarding her marital problems. That's up to her. But, I won't be commenting in any string she starts regarding such matters. I really don't care to have a serious discussion on peoples personal lives. That's none of my business.