Massive car bomb in Haifa neutralized

[traderjoe17]

so, what you boil it down to is Israel cant do anything because to do anything would mean civilians would die
thus Hamas wins by putting civilians at risk

you really need to read the geneva conventions

That's not it at all. Israel is perfectly capable of targetting Hamas' government and military installations and conducting planned, controlled airstrikes against those targets. I wouldn't have necessarily opposed that, as civilian casualties would have been minimal if there were any. Instead, Israel used cluster munitions and white phosphorous haphazardly in densely populated civilian areas. What did they accomplish in doing so? They sure as hell didn't make Gaza any better. They didn't make themselves any safer. They effectively destroyed any chance of peace and normalized relations with the Arab world in the foreseeable future. The campaign in Gaza was disastrous diplomatically as well as in terms of lives lost... Israel really fucked up badly on that one. What they need to do now is work towards diplomatic peace with Hamas. This time, though, the cease-fire needs to be formal and written, and Israel needs to actually abide by its terms if Hamas does so as well.

Israel and its worshipers are the ones who need to familiarize themselves with the Geneva Conventions.

If Israel carpet-bombed Gaza with no care for civilian casualties whatsoever as you claim, then believe me - civilians would have died at a much greater rate than 1:1 (terrorists to civilians).

If you're looking for an analogy, try this one.

One side of my street keeps launching grenades at my side of the street. I tell him to stop. He doesn't. Eventually, one of those grenades kills several of my children. I tell him to stop. He doesn't. The police (the international community) don't do anything, don't say anything. So I take matters into my own hands.

But since I still have some genuine concern for the children of the people throwing the grenades, I send these innocents messages to be far away from their house - I plan on taking out the grenade throwers who killed my children. The grenade thrower prevents his children from leaving. I throw grenades onto their side of the street, carefully trying to only hit the other grenade throwers. Unfortunately, my grenade lands next to a grenade stockpile, peculiarly situated next to the children's bedroom, and sets of an enormous explosion that brings down the entire house.

Afterwards, the grenade thrower cries: "You terrorist! You killed my children!" Everyone in the world, seeing the pictures of the dead children, blame the side of the street that retaliated. He apologizes. Then several months later, the neighbor across the street again begins throwing grenades.

There's your damn cycle.

 

[traderjoe17]

It's Israel's fault that terrorists bomb Israel which causes Israel to bomb terrorists that causes terrorists to bomb Israel and on and on and on.

Enough of your bullshit. If the fucking Arabs would stop playing the role of a victim and finally take responsibility for themselves, they wouldn't continuously be bombed by Israel. But hey, don't let the facts stand in the way of your argument. Keep making this about what Israel does....

Note to everyone else who lives in REALITY: Israel only attacks AFTER it's attacked. It took nearly 10,000 rockets fired at Israel to respond in kind. The next bomb that goes off or rocket that lands in a kindergarten, I say Israel just says "FUCK IT" and levels all of Gaza. No country would ever tolerate this shit the way Israel does. Maybe one million dead Arabs will finally teach the world a lesson: STOP KILLING JEWS.

The Israeli Government is indeed a government to be condemned. Their disproportionate patience and constant appeasement of international criticizers is absolutely pathetic, and traitorous. The Government needs to respond to rocket attacks after every individual instance.

Every time a rocket is fired increases the chances of one of those rockets hitting a child. While idiots like Shogun and other Arabs can't understand why such a "low" number of rocket-related deaths upsets us so much, its because we value and cherish each and every life. Unlike the Muslims, there isn't more than a billion expendable Jews.

Sieg heil! No threat to ze Master Race vill be tolerated!

I'd be careful about who you refer to as Nazi's. The 'Palestinian' leader and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al- Husseini, was Hitler's most avid supporter. He even recruited Muslim soldiers to join the Nazi's, and used similar tactics against the Jews in Palestine.

 

[DiveCon]

so, what you boil it down to is Israel cant do anything because to do anything would mean civilians would die
thus Hamas wins by putting civilians at risk

you really need to read the geneva conventions

That's not it at all. Israel is perfectly capable of targetting Hamas' government and military installations and conducting planned, controlled airstrikes against those targets. I wouldn't have necessarily opposed that, as civilian casualties would have been minimal if there were any. Instead, Israel used cluster munitions and white phosphorous haphazardly in densely populated civilian areas. What did they accomplish in doing so? They sure as hell didn't make Gaza any better. They didn't make themselves any safer. They effectively destroyed any chance of peace and normalized relations with the Arab world in the foreseeable future. The campaign in Gaza was disastrous diplomatically as well as in terms of lives lost... Israel really fucked up badly on that one. What they need to do now is work towards diplomatic peace with Hamas. This time, though, the cease-fire needs to be formal and written, and Israel needs to actually abide by its terms if Hamas does so as well.

Israel and its worshipers are the ones who need to familiarize themselves with the Geneva Conventions.

If Israel carpet-bombed Gaza with no care for civilian casualties whatsoever as you claim, then believe me - civilians would have died at a much greater rate than 1:1 (terrorists to civilians).

If you're looking for an analogy, try this one.

One side of my street keeps launching grenades at my side of the street. I tell him to stop. He doesn't. Eventually, one of those grenades kills several of my children. I tell him to stop. He doesn't. The police (the international community) don't do anything, don't say anything. So I take matters into my own hands.

But since I still have some genuine concern for the children of the people throwing the grenades, I send these innocents messages to be far away from their house - I plan on taking out the grenade throwers who killed my children. The grenade thrower prevents his children from leaving. I throw grenades onto their side of the street, carefully trying to only hit the other grenade throwers. Unfortunately, my grenade lands next to a grenade stockpile, peculiarly situated next to the children's bedroom, and sets of an enormous explosion that brings down the entire house.

Afterwards, the grenade thrower cries: "You terrorist! You killed my children!" Everyone in the world, seeing the pictures of the dead children, blame the side of the street that retaliated. He apologizes. Then several months later, the neighbor across the street again begins throwing grenades.

There's your damn cycle.

exactly

 

[GHook93]

Kalam, how many rockets would you allow to fall in and around your house(as long as no one was killed) before you called the police?

Not many, to be sure. You know what I wouldn't do, though? I wouldn't bomb the entire neighborhood of the guy who was launching them. I wouldn't kill his entire family and his neighbors' families.

Easy to say what you would do while not walking in one's shoes! Easy to preach patience and hesitations from you ivory tower in America!

 

[Xenophon]

This is the fruit of Israel's latest fuck-up.

Asshole.

 

[Kalam]

If Israel carpet-bombed Gaza with no care for civilian casualties whatsoever as you claim,

Is that what I claimed? I don't recall ever using the term "carpet-bombed."

If you're looking for an analogy,

I'm not.

 

[Kalam]

This is the fruit of Israel's latest fuck-up.

Asshole.

You mad?

 

[Kalam]

I'd be careful about who you refer to as Nazi's. The 'Palestinian' leader and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al- Husseini, was Hitler's most avid supporter. He even recruited Muslim soldiers to join the Nazi's, and used similar tactics against the Jews in Palestine.

Where did I ever express support for "Haj Amin al- Husseini"?

 

[Kalam]

Easy to say what you would do while not walking in one's shoes! Easy to preach patience and hesitations from you ivory tower in America!

You think I've never had to exercise patience?

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, the last time that Israel went over to Gaza to route out the terrorists, they took along a BBC news crew with them.

The school there was wired for sound, with explosives in the walls. By the way, the kids were still going to school there as well.

In the buildings outside, there were stockpiles of grenades, RPG's and guns.

Oh yeah......there is also video of rockets being fired from there, as well as BBC footage of the Hamas terrorists making rockets and hoping for death.

You want those assholes running around loose? Shit......their own fucking people down south (Saudi) are even keeping them out of their country!

And.......it's been a well documented fact that Hamas (a terrorist organization whose name means "violence"), builds weapons stockpiles and then builds apartments to put human shields in.

Nope........wanna see all of em go to Saudi, wanna see Israel level it, and then they can rebuild if they promise to behave. First shot next time? Same deal.

Eventually they'd get tired of it.

 

[Xenophon]

This is the fruit of Israel's latest fuck-up.

Asshole.

You mad?

No, just giving you the post you deserve asshole.

You showed me you are not worth talking too, so i treat yoiu as you deserve.

 

[Kalam]

Asshole.

You mad?

No, just giving you the post you deserve asshole.

You showed me you are not worth talking too, so i treat yoiu as you deserve.

I sincerely apologize for expressing an opinion that you disagree with. I'm also devastated that you don't consider me worth talking to. I think I'll go cry myself to sleep.

 

[Xenophon]

I sincerely apologize for expressing an opinion that you disagree with. I'm also devastated that you don't consider me worth talking to. I think I'll go cry myself to sleep.

Won't do you any good, you will still wake up an asshole.

 

[Kalam]

I sincerely apologize for expressing an opinion that you disagree with. I'm also devastated that you don't consider me worth talking to. I think I'll go cry myself to sleep.

Won't do you any good, you will still wake up an asshole.

Seriously, are you unable to do anything besides spew insults? Does typing a substantive response to an argument fall outside of the range of your abilities? I'm not interested in a flame war. I don't give a damn if you disagree with me or if you dislike me, but for God's sake, post some real arguments if you want to have a discussion.

 

[Xenophon]

Seriously, are you unable to do anything besides spew insults?

You claimed that terrorism is justified and posted a jewish flag with a swaztika in it.

That makes you a useless asshole, if you had come to talk, i would have.

These are the choices you've made.

If it disturbs you, change your ways and you will be treated differently.

 

[Kalam]

You claimed that terrorism is justified

Where?

and posted a jewish flag with a swaztika in it.

Yeah, in response to an idiotic suggestion that Israel should respond to every missile with another Cast Lead to protect the Jewish race.

That makes you a useless asshole, if you had come to talk, i would have.

These are the choices you've made.

If it disturbs you, change your ways and you will be treated differently.

As I said, I don't care what you think about me. Your opinion is based on some false belief that I support terrorism and on your dislike of my criticism of traderjoe's Jewish racialism.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yo, Kalam, read my post on the bottom of the last page and tell me what you think about that.

And.......it's all true, saw it on the BBC World News.

 

[DiveCon]

Yo, Kalam, read my post on the bottom of the last page and tell me what you think about that.

And.......it's all true, saw it on the BBC World News.

you'll need to give at least a post number
not everyone has the same page settings as you
i only have one page

 

[Kalam]

Yo, Kalam, read my post on the bottom of the last page and tell me what you think about that.

And.......it's all true, saw it on the BBC World News.

Okay. Link to it and I'll watch it.


This much isn't true:

And.......it's been a well documented fact that Hamas (a terrorist organization whose name means "violence")

"Hamas" ( حماس ) is an acronym for حركة المقاومة الاسلامية - "Movement of Islamic Resistance" or "Islamic Resistance Movement."

 

[traderjoe17]

If Israel carpet-bombed Gaza with no care for civilian casualties whatsoever as you claim,

Is that what I claimed? I don't recall ever using the term "carpet-bombed."

If you're looking for an analogy,

I'm not.

Perhaps you should stop worrying so much over a term like "carpet-bombing" and understand the point I'm trying to make. If you used a different word, then the idea still stands. You believe Israel was indiscriminately firing at whoever they pleased, civilians or terrorists. By arguing that you may have used a different word, you are simply avoiding the argument.

You're not looking for an analogy? Excellent response. Its no wonder that you have no rebuttal against that excellent analogy - its completely accurate.