2aguy
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No one cares anymore. You gun lovers won. Can't you see? The whole point of this thread is that.You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...
Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nationâs population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearmâassaults, robberies and sex crimesâwas 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....
More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.
Actual Result:
In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%
The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....
In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.
Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...
Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops âsafest statesâ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction
When Maine passed a âConstitutional Carryâ law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.
One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.
Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.
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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Reportâs public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.
Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a âConstitutional Carryâ state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.
In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same âsafest statesâ ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader âCrime and Correctionsâ category.
In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the âCrime and Correctionsâ category and also second in the categories used to rank the âsafest states.â
The U.S. News and World Report âBest Statesâ rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.
Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in âPersonal and Residential Safetyâ among the fifty states, and third overall.
Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.
Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....
Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.
Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.
Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?
We haven't won because our goal is to reduce violent gun crime in the U.S......and that won't happen until the democrat party stops releasing violent gun offenders from jail and prison.
The majority of our gun crime and gun murder is committed by repeat, violent felons. These criminals are constantly being released over and over again in a revolving door policy by democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians. Until we find a way to make the democrat party stop releasing these gun criminals, our job is not done.
Why don't you show the class what kind of "repeat violent offenses" the perps in the two shootings from the OP had in their past, Wimpy.
And more.....
Public Health Pot Shots
this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...
These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them. Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available. Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.
Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.
Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence. In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.
Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments. Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.
According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."
A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.
-------As the English gun control analyst Colin Greenwood has noted, in any society there are always enough guns available, legally or illegally, to arm the violent. The true determinant of violence is the number of violent people, not the availability of a particular weapon. Guns contribute to murder in the trivial sense that they help violent people kill. But owning guns does not turn responsible, law-abiding people into killers. If the general availability of guns were as important a factor in violence as the CDC implies, the vast increase in firearm ownership during the past two decades should have led to a vast increase in homicide. The CDC suggested just that in a 1989 report to Congress, where it asserted that "