Another Naval Base Shooting -- This Time In Florida

[Biff_Poindexter]

3 people killed, shooter dead at Florida Navy base

"Four people are dead, including the shooter, after a shooting Friday morning at Naval Air Station Pensacola, authorities said. Several other people were injured, including two sheriff's deputies who engaged the shooter. 'While we would love to do a full disclosure of what occurred this morning about everything that we are aware of, quite obviously we cannot do that. There are things – we are now in the investigative process – that are required to be held back,' Morgan said."

So for a second day, another senseless tragedy hits one of our military bases...the shooting took place in what is referred to as Building 633, which is part of the Naval Aviation Schools Command and is where Navy personnel entering flight training first report. Thoughts and prayers goes out to the families of the victims.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

That's what happens when jihad comes to America

 

[irosie91]

That's what happens when jihad comes to America

are you jumping to a conclusion?

 

[irosie91]

oh gee-----a SAUDI

 

[ABikerSailor]

That's what happens when jihad comes to America

are you jumping to a conclusion?

They are. And, it's gonna take a couple of days for all the information to be sorted out and reported on.

 

[2aguy]

So....what's up with the snow flakes in the Navy? Are these left wing bed wetters who thought the Navy would be easy, then they actually have to deal with standards and expectations....cause it is a branch of the military....and they can't hack it?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's what happens when jihad comes to America

are you jumping to a conclusion?

They are. And, it's gonna take a couple of days for all the information to be sorted out and reported on.

....BUT the smart money is on Islamic terrorism.

 

[Mr Natural]

oh gee-----a SAUDI

What a surprise, ay?

 

[Dana7360]

3 people killed, shooter dead at Florida Navy base

"Four people are dead, including the shooter, after a shooting Friday morning at Naval Air Station Pensacola, authorities said. Several other people were injured, including two sheriff's deputies who engaged the shooter. 'While we would love to do a full disclosure of what occurred this morning about everything that we are aware of, quite obviously we cannot do that. There are things – we are now in the investigative process – that are required to be held back,' Morgan said."

So for a second day, another senseless tragedy hits one of our military bases...the shooting took place in what is referred to as Building 633, which is part of the Naval Aviation Schools Command and is where Navy personnel entering flight training first report. Thoughts and prayers goes out to the families of the victims.

So where are all those people with their semi automatic weapons who are supposed to run to save the day?

Isn't that the excuse the far right radicals use for needing those weapons and demanding they be allowed to open carry them anywhere they want to go?

And doesn't a naval base have weapons? Where was the military police? I know they have them.

It looks like the excuse of gun free zones is exposed for the lie it is. Again.

The far right radical extremists don't want any real weapon safety laws so we will continue to have the shootings.

As a side note, this is a Saudi national. Why did trump allow this crazy person to enter the nation and own a weapon?

 

[2aguy]

And this is, of course, a gun free zone, even on a Naval base....

Another shooting in a gun-free zone: Two murdered, at least 11 hospitalized, in shooting at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida - Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[2aguy]

3 people killed, shooter dead at Florida Navy base

"Four people are dead, including the shooter, after a shooting Friday morning at Naval Air Station Pensacola, authorities said. Several other people were injured, including two sheriff's deputies who engaged the shooter. 'While we would love to do a full disclosure of what occurred this morning about everything that we are aware of, quite obviously we cannot do that. There are things – we are now in the investigative process – that are required to be held back,' Morgan said."

So for a second day, another senseless tragedy hits one of our military bases...the shooting took place in what is referred to as Building 633, which is part of the Naval Aviation Schools Command and is where Navy personnel entering flight training first report. Thoughts and prayers goes out to the families of the victims.

So where are all those people with their semi automatic weapons who are supposed to run to save the day?

Isn't that the excuse the far right radicals use for needing those weapons and demanding they be allowed to open carry them anywhere they want to go?

And doesn't a naval base have weapons? Where was the military police? I know they have them.

It looks like the excuse of gun free zones is exposed for the lie it is. Again.

The far right radical extremists don't want any real weapon safety laws so we will continue to have the shootings.

As a side note, this is a Saudi national. Why did trump allow this crazy person to enter the nation and own a weapon?

It's a gun free zone doofus......they have to wait for the Shore Patrol to get their 5 minutes or more after the attack starts you doofus...

Another shooting in a gun-free zone: Two murdered, at least 11 hospitalized, in shooting at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida - Crime Prevention Research Center


The rules explicitly note that concealed carry permits aren’t honored on the military bases.

“personal firearms may only be stored in the installation’s armory”

“All firearms will be unloaded and secured with a trigger lock and ammunition must be carried in the farthest most possible location away from the firearm prior to transporting on an installation”

The bottom line: you can only have possession of a firearm when you transport it on to a base. That when it is on a base you have to have it in the armory.

 

[2aguy]

3 people killed, shooter dead at Florida Navy base

"Four people are dead, including the shooter, after a shooting Friday morning at Naval Air Station Pensacola, authorities said. Several other people were injured, including two sheriff's deputies who engaged the shooter. 'While we would love to do a full disclosure of what occurred this morning about everything that we are aware of, quite obviously we cannot do that. There are things – we are now in the investigative process – that are required to be held back,' Morgan said."

So for a second day, another senseless tragedy hits one of our military bases...the shooting took place in what is referred to as Building 633, which is part of the Naval Aviation Schools Command and is where Navy personnel entering flight training first report. Thoughts and prayers goes out to the families of the victims.

So where are all those people with their semi automatic weapons who are supposed to run to save the day?

Isn't that the excuse the far right radicals use for needing those weapons and demanding they be allowed to open carry them anywhere they want to go?

And doesn't a naval base have weapons? Where was the military police? I know they have them.

It looks like the excuse of gun free zones is exposed for the lie it is. Again.

The far right radical extremists don't want any real weapon safety laws so we will continue to have the shootings.

As a side note, this is a Saudi national. Why did trump allow this crazy person to enter the nation and own a weapon?

So....not a Mass Public Shooting, but an act of muslim terrorism........you moron.....and again...to repeat...

This was a gun free zone......

 

[2aguy]

3 people killed, shooter dead at Florida Navy base

"Four people are dead, including the shooter, after a shooting Friday morning at Naval Air Station Pensacola, authorities said. Several other people were injured, including two sheriff's deputies who engaged the shooter. 'While we would love to do a full disclosure of what occurred this morning about everything that we are aware of, quite obviously we cannot do that. There are things – we are now in the investigative process – that are required to be held back,' Morgan said."

So for a second day, another senseless tragedy hits one of our military bases...the shooting took place in what is referred to as Building 633, which is part of the Naval Aviation Schools Command and is where Navy personnel entering flight training first report. Thoughts and prayers goes out to the families of the victims.

So where are all those people with their semi automatic weapons who are supposed to run to save the day?

Isn't that the excuse the far right radicals use for needing those weapons and demanding they be allowed to open carry them anywhere they want to go?

And doesn't a naval base have weapons? Where was the military police? I know they have them.

It looks like the excuse of gun free zones is exposed for the lie it is. Again.

The far right radical extremists don't want any real weapon safety laws so we will continue to have the shootings.

As a side note, this is a Saudi national. Why did trump allow this crazy person to enter the nation and own a weapon?

And, you moron....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[Mac-7]

That's what happens when jihad comes to America

are you jumping to a conclusion?

Its confirmed

the shooter was a saudi foreign student

 

[2aguy]

That's what happens when jihad comes to America

are you jumping to a conclusion?

Its confirmed

the shooter was a saudi foreign student

Muslim terrorism.........this is not a Mass Public Shooting but an act of terrorism.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

A Saudi, figures. His heroes are probably his Saudi brothers that flew into the WTC's.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Considering that Pensacola is where all the aviation schools are at for the Navy, I'd be willing to bet that he was there to learn how to work on the aircraft that Trump just sold to Saudi Arabia.

 

[Mac-7]

That's what happens when jihad comes to America

are you jumping to a conclusion?

Its confirmed

the shooter was a saudi foreign student

Muslim terrorism.........this is not a Mass Public Shooting but an act of terrorism.

muslim terrorism is practically a taboo subject for liberals

 

[Ridgerunner]

Considering that Pensacola is where all the aviation schools are at for the Navy, I'd be willing to bet that he was there to learn how to work on the aircraft that Trump just sold to Saudi Arabia.

Congress, which has the authority to cancel arms deals, has not impeded a deal since the passage of the 1976 Arms Export Control Act created the framework for doing so. Since 9/11 the pace of sales has increased. From 2002 to 2016, the United States sold roughly $197 billion worth of weapons and related military support to 167 countries.1 In just his first year Donald Trump cut a deal worth as much as $110 billion to Saudi Arabia alone and notified Congress of 157 sales worth more than $84 billion to 42 other nations.2 Despite losing market share over the past two decades because of increasing competition, the United States still enjoyed the largest share of the global arms trade between 2012 and 2016 at 33 percent.3

Risky Business: The Role of Arms Sales in U.S. Foreign Policy

 

[TNHarley]

Ban guns! Even the military!
Maybe they can fight our enemies with uncooked spaghetti noodles.
"You'll put an eye out!"