Mass shootings now ho hum.....

[pismoe]

late to the thread but wasn't this NAVY Shooter / murderer an ARAB from the Saudi Arabia ?? I don't think that that qualifies the Navy shooter guy as WHITE does it Ladies and Gents .

 

[pismoe]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

My guns had nothing to do with either.

Thoughts and prayers pard, no worries, this is all normal in america.

--------------------------------------------- maybe , depends on how you count but this was USA Military wasn't it ?? I think that that's interesting and I ASSUME that the Navy murderer / shooter was a foreigner and 'arab' imported into the Ranks of USA Military 'BO .

 

[Flash]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

My guns had nothing to do with either.

Thoughts and prayers pard, no worries, this is all normal in america.

--------------------------------------------- maybe , depends on how you count but this was USA Military wasn't it ?? I think that that's interesting and I ASSUME that the Navy murderer / shooter was a foreigner and 'arab' imported into the Ranks of USA Military 'BO .

He wasn't imported into the ranks of the USA military.

He was here for flight school training.

The US trains allied pilots when they fly the airplanes they buy from us.

I think this is a lesson that we should stop allowing Muslims to come into the country.

They don't know how to play nice.

 

[pismoe]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

My guns had nothing to do with either.

Thoughts and prayers pard, no worries, this is all normal in america.

--------------------------------------------- maybe , depends on how you count but this was USA Military wasn't it ?? I think that that's interesting and I ASSUME that the Navy murderer / shooter was a foreigner and 'arab' imported into the Ranks of USA Military 'BO .

He wasn't imported into the ranks of the USA military.

He was here for flight school training.

The US trains allied pilots when they fly the airplanes they buy from us.

I think this is a lesson that we should stop allowing Muslims to come into the country.

They don't know how to play nice.

-------------------------------------------- thank you . IMPORTED is a general description [by me] because otherwise they'd be back in Saudi where they belong . Training should be done in Saudi , they have plenty of room in their deserts for a landing strip . --------------------- agree with both your concluding line though but I don't agree with any foreigners being IN or associated with USA Military IN the USA Flash .

 

[miketx]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

That's right, and there's only one way to stop them, and it has nothing to do with disarming people. You spineless sob's love mass murder.

 

[2aguy]

late to the thread but wasn't this NAVY Shooter / murderer an ARAB from the Saudi Arabia ?? I don't think that that qualifies the Navy shooter guy as WHITE does it Ladies and Gents .

Yes...a Jihadi trying to kill American pilots. Individuals they usually can't get to ...

 

[bodecea]

The only solution offered by gun nuts to random shootings, is more guns. That, of course, makes no sense because we are already the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and also the world leader in random killings. That brings us to the unescapable conclusion that they have absolutely no plan that would reduce these killings, and that they are actually very comfortable with the status quo. That, of course would change in a New York second if their own child was a victim

Of course the answer is more guns. Haven't you ever seen the Fire Department come to the scene of a fire and pour gasoline on it?

I'm absolutely sure that that is what you would do....and I'm sure it endears you to all your neighbors.

 

[bodecea]

Hate to tell you this is a Military matter and like I wrote about the other incident the Navy will deal with it.

Mass shootings happen within the Military and remember Fort Hood?

Also not the first Naval Mass shooting either...

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.

Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....

Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.

Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.


Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?

No one cares anymore. You gun lovers won. Can't you see? The whole point of this thread is that.

 

[2aguy]

Hate to tell you this is a Military matter and like I wrote about the other incident the Navy will deal with it.

Mass shootings happen within the Military and remember Fort Hood?

Also not the first Naval Mass shooting either...

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.

Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....

Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.

Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.


Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?

No one cares anymore. You gun lovers won. Can't you see? The whole point of this thread is that.

We haven't won because our goal is to reduce violent gun crime in the U.S......and that won't happen until the democrat party stops releasing violent gun offenders from jail and prison.

The majority of our gun crime and gun murder is committed by repeat, violent felons. These criminals are constantly being released over and over again in a revolving door policy by democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians. Until we find a way to make the democrat party stop releasing these gun criminals, our job is not done.

 

[Flash]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

My guns had nothing to do with either.

Thoughts and prayers pard, no worries, this is all normal in america.

--------------------------------------------- maybe , depends on how you count but this was USA Military wasn't it ?? I think that that's interesting and I ASSUME that the Navy murderer / shooter was a foreigner and 'arab' imported into the Ranks of USA Military 'BO .

He wasn't imported into the ranks of the USA military.

He was here for flight school training.

The US trains allied pilots when they fly the airplanes they buy from us.

I think this is a lesson that we should stop allowing Muslims to come into the country.

They don't know how to play nice.

-------------------------------------------- thank you . IMPORTED is a general description [by me] because otherwise they'd be back in Saudi where they belong . Training should be done in Saudi , they have plenty of room in their deserts for a landing strip . --------------------- agree with both your concluding line though but I don't agree with any foreigners being IN or associated with USA Military IN the USA Flash .

I understand your use of the word. That is fine.

However, I think we need a moratorium on all Muslims coming into the US until they learn how to play nice.

 

[miketx]

late to the thread but wasn't this NAVY Shooter / murderer an ARAB from the Saudi Arabia ?? I don't think that that qualifies the Navy shooter guy as WHITE does it Ladies and Gents .

That proves right there how progressives are lying filth.

 

[2aguy]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

This was an act of muslim terrorism targeting American military pilots......the very military fighters the jihadis have a hard time killing......

NAS Pensacola Killer Hosted Jihadi Snuff-Film Party, Praised bin Laden, Yet Pentagon Brass Balk at Calling It Terrorism

 

[miketx]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

This was an act of muslim terrorism targeting American military pilots......the very military fighters the jihadis have a hard time killing......

NAS Pensacola Killer Hosted Jihadi Snuff-Film Party, Praised bin Laden, Yet Pentagon Brass Balk at Calling It Terrorism

All the tough military leaders have been replaced with muslim loving faggots.

 

[Pogo]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

This was an act of muslim terrorism targeting American military pilots......the very military fighters the jihadis have a hard time killing......

NAS Pensacola Killer Hosted Jihadi Snuff-Film Party, Praised bin Laden, Yet Pentagon Brass Balk at Calling It Terrorism

Bin Laden wasn't a "religious" figure, IDIOT.

Once again ---- when "we" do a mass shooting or bombing, it's got nothing to do with religion; when "they" do it it's ALL ABOUT that. Having it both ways--- Priceless. Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh and Scott Roeder thanked your post.

 

[Pogo]

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.

Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....

Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.

Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.


Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?

No one cares anymore. You gun lovers won. Can't you see? The whole point of this thread is that.

We haven't won because our goal is to reduce violent gun crime in the U.S......and that won't happen until the democrat party stops releasing violent gun offenders from jail and prison.

The majority of our gun crime and gun murder is committed by repeat, violent felons. These criminals are constantly being released over and over again in a revolving door policy by democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians. Until we find a way to make the democrat party stop releasing these gun criminals, our job is not done.

Why don't you show the class what kind of "repeat violent offenses" the perps in the two shootings from the OP had in their past, Wimpy.

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.

Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....

Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.

Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.


Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?

No one cares anymore. You gun lovers won. Can't you see? The whole point of this thread is that.

We haven't won because our goal is to reduce violent gun crime in the U.S......and that won't happen until the democrat party stops releasing violent gun offenders from jail and prison.

The majority of our gun crime and gun murder is committed by repeat, violent felons. These criminals are constantly being released over and over again in a revolving door policy by democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians. Until we find a way to make the democrat party stop releasing these gun criminals, our job is not done.

Why don't you show the class what kind of "repeat violent offenses" the perps in the two shootings from the OP had in their past, Wimpy.

Moron......90% of murderers have long histories of crime and violence....you dumb ass....terrorists are different types of criminal.......as are other mass public shooters...do you understand the difference between 90% and 100%?

The Criminology of Firearms


In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

Throughout this essay I highlight dramatic recantations by criminologists who previously endorsed stringent gun control. For example, Professor David Mustard has stated in an article [PDF] for the University of Pennsylvania Law Review:

When I started my research on guns [at the University of Chicago] in 1995, I passionately disliked firearms and fully accepted the conventional wisdom that increasing the gun-ownership rate would necessarily raise violent crime and accidental deaths. My views on this subject were formed primarily by media accounts of firearms, which unknowingly to me systematically emphasized the costs of firearms while virtually ignoring their benefits. I thought it obvious that passing laws that permitted law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons would create many problems. It is now over six years since I became convinced otherwise and concluded that shall issue laws — laws that require [gun carry permits] to be granted unless the applicant has a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness — reduce violent crime and have no impact on accidental deaths.Actual research results — as opposed to unsupported opinions — pose a question embarrassed gun prohibitionists invariably try to evade: why ban guns to ordinary owners, i.e., people who never commit gun crimes? (This query does not at all impugn our laws against previously convicted felons having guns).



-------------------------

Zimring has nevertheless remained a firm advocate of gun bans. But actual research has produced an unbroken record of recantations by criminologists who once agreed with Zimring. In the late 1970's the US Department of Justice (DOJ) funded and tasked the University of Massachusetts' Social and Demographic Research Institute to review and evaluate the entire extant literature on gun control in the US and elsewhere. The Institute's resulting report observed: "It is commonly hypothesized that much criminal violence, especially homicide, occurs simply because the means of lethal violence (firearms) are readily at hand, and, thus, that much homicide would not occur were firearms generally less available. There is no persuasive evidence that supports this view." (emphasis added)


That evaluation's authors — Professors James Wright, Peter Rossi and Kathleen Daly — subsequently published a commercial version of their report to which they added their personal recantation:

The progressive's indictment of American firearms policy is well known and is one that both the senior authors of this study once shared. This indictment includes the following particulars: (1) Guns are involved in an astonishing number of crimes in this country. (2) In other countries with stricter firearms laws and fewer guns in private hands, gun crime is rare ... (4) Many families acquire a gun because they feel the need to protect themselves; eventually, they end up shooting one another. (5) If there were fewer guns around, there would obviously be less crime ... The more deeply we explored the empirical implications of this indictment, the less plausible it has become. (emphasis, parentheses added)

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.

Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....

Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.

Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.


Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?

No one cares anymore. You gun lovers won. Can't you see? The whole point of this thread is that.

We haven't won because our goal is to reduce violent gun crime in the U.S......and that won't happen until the democrat party stops releasing violent gun offenders from jail and prison.

The majority of our gun crime and gun murder is committed by repeat, violent felons. These criminals are constantly being released over and over again in a revolving door policy by democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians. Until we find a way to make the democrat party stop releasing these gun criminals, our job is not done.

Why don't you show the class what kind of "repeat violent offenses" the perps in the two shootings from the OP had in their past, Wimpy.

Here.....educate yourself....

Roy Exum: How We Stop The Bullets

David Kennedy, a renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for Safe Communities, believes that places like the 1500 block of East 50th Street where Deontrey was killed, or Central Avenue where two other Chattanoogans were shot around the same time, aren’t necessarily bad areas. Good people live in those areas, just as the overwhelming numbers of those who live in our inner city are decent and law-abiding citizens.
No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”

The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”
Read it once more: “ … under half of one percent … commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”


It is vitally important for us to realize the recent “worst of the worst” roundup had very little to do with race, yet to the uninformed it clearly appeared that only blacks were targeted.
Try to forget that all were black and focus instead on the far greater fact – there is ample evidence that each is alleged to be a serious criminal.
Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves.
Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren't dangerous; (these criminals) are.”

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

This was an act of muslim terrorism targeting American military pilots......the very military fighters the jihadis have a hard time killing......

NAS Pensacola Killer Hosted Jihadi Snuff-Film Party, Praised bin Laden, Yet Pentagon Brass Balk at Calling It Terrorism

“muslim terrorism”

lol

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.

Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....

Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.

Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.


Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?

No one cares anymore. You gun lovers won. Can't you see? The whole point of this thread is that.

We haven't won because our goal is to reduce violent gun crime in the U.S......and that won't happen until the democrat party stops releasing violent gun offenders from jail and prison.

The majority of our gun crime and gun murder is committed by repeat, violent felons. These criminals are constantly being released over and over again in a revolving door policy by democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians. Until we find a way to make the democrat party stop releasing these gun criminals, our job is not done.

Why don't you show the class what kind of "repeat violent offenses" the perps in the two shootings from the OP had in their past, Wimpy.

Educate yourself some more...

Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing


Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.


(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)


Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)



Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)

 

[2aguy]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

This was an act of muslim terrorism targeting American military pilots......the very military fighters the jihadis have a hard time killing......

NAS Pensacola Killer Hosted Jihadi Snuff-Film Party, Praised bin Laden, Yet Pentagon Brass Balk at Calling It Terrorism

“muslim terrorism”

lol

You really are stupid............are you simply stupid or willfully stupid?