Masha Gessen allegedly gives away the true motive of the Gay Marriage movement

[Misty]

A supposedly gay man's opinion of masha gessen.

Masha Gessen does not speak for me The Daily Mush

"It is people like this who make my life difficult. She comes from Russia to cause me grief? Deport the damn bitch. Oh, I’m just so friggin’ mad I can barely stand it.

I’ve been working on decency towards gay men for 40 years. I’ve been speaking of gay relationships for those same 40 years. Now this twit comes along and wipes out my work in a heartbeat? Disgusting.

To be clear – this idiot does not speak for gay folks – she speaks for some radical reordering of society. Every single gay man I know has sought to be included in what exists – not remake it."

 

[Seawytch]

I've been professionally gay since 1983 and I've never heard of this person. She sure as hell doesn't speak for me.

 

[mdk]

I am not buying for a hot second that TK is a supporter of gay marriage. He is only looking to have his bias confirmed in this thread.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, you're not looking for "consensus" - you're looking for something to confirm the biases you already have.

Well, not knowing who the true leaders are then, I only have the words of advocates to work off of. Yes, I have biases, and yes, I like any of you, do things to seek their confirmation. But when I read actual words by actual gay people and gay rights activists, what am I to think?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

TemplarKormac

There are close to half a million same-sex married couples in the US.

Do you really believe that all of those people got married as part of a secret plan to destroy the concept of marriage?

 

[LoneLaugher]

I still don't know who any of those people are, and why you believe they somehow represent the entire LGBT movement.

You all fight for gay rights, yet you know none of the people behind the movement. I'm confused...

If republicans had wanted gay marriage, liberals would've been against it.

It's all about what team people are on and if they are winning.

Life is and always will be a competition.

Bullshit.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No, you're not looking for "consensus" - you're looking for something to confirm the biases you already have.

Well, not knowing who the true leaders are then, I only have the words of advocates to work off of. Yes, I have biases, and yes, I like any of you, do things to seek their confirmation. But when I read actual words by actual gay people and gay rights activists, what am I to think?

Well, you could start by "listening" to any of the thousands of gay people who say that they want to get married for love, rather than just the 10 or so people who say that it's all a secret plan to destroy society.

 

[Seawytch]

No, you're not looking for "consensus" - you're looking for something to confirm the biases you already have.

Well, not knowing who the true leaders are then, I only have the words of advocates to work off of. Yes, I have biases, and yes, I like any of you, do things to seek their confirmation. But when I read actual words by actual gay people and gay rights activists, what am I to think?

Well, you could start by "listening" to any of the thousands of gay people who say that they want to get married for love, rather than just the 10 or so people who say that it's all a secret plan to destroy society.

Nope...those don't support his personal bias.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Call me cynical, call me whimsical, call me whatever vulgar name you wish. Call me a Christian bigot, quote the Constitution, the SCOTUS ruling, or cherrypicked bible verses; make fun of my weight or the fact I live in grammaw's basement. Tell me that I want to hurt, dehumanize, or deprive gays of their rights. Compare me to ISIS, or tell me to get a job. Go ahead and get that out of your system.

Rightly so, I'm probably going to take a lot of heat for this, but so be it. I don't like being lied to, and I don't like having my trust betrayed. My support for gay marriage was wrought out of a lot of moral introspection. I have two sides warring within my conscience, my Christian moral objection to it, and my legal support of it. I wrestled with this issue mightily for a long time. But I decided that I would support it, accept it, and tolerate it. Now I find that my support may have been misplaced.

So, what were the motives of the gay marriage movement? How would I know? I was of the understanding it was for the right to marry like everyone else. I support that. But if Masha Gessen is of any indication, that wasn't really the goal in the first place. And as a result of that, I feel like I was misled. How do you ignore the words of Russia's most prominent LGBT activist?

In her own words, Masha Gessen explained how the institution of marriage should be destroyed. I am getting the distinct impression here that the fight for "marriage" wasn't the goal, it was merely a step along the path. The fight wasn't to attain the right to marry, but right to destroy it. It also seems as if the elites in the LGBT community are purposefully misleading their members as well.

Why would you work to destroy something you fought so hard to attain? Well, it appears the movement, according to Gessen, was never about the right to marry. Marriage is but a dispensable thing in the fight to destroy the institution of marriage.

"It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. … Fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie.

The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago.

I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compatible with the institution of marriage.”

-Masha Gessen

Why get married when you could be happy - Life Matters - ABC Radio National Australian Broadcasting Corporation

She sounds like a messed up nut job.

She wants to live in a legal system that reflects reality? She's already doing that.

Her reality.

By his own account, so does TK.

Instead of trying to take rights away from other Americans, it seems to me his efforts might be better spent in his own backyard.

But then, I'm an adult, responsible for myself and take care of myself .......................................

TK, otoh, is all

 

[TemplarKormac]

What led you to the conclusion that the LGBT movement in the US is somehow controlled behind the scenes by a Russian activist, an Australian sociology professor, an Australian graduate student, and a collection of other random bloggers?

I've googled many different times over who the actual leaders of the gay rights movement are, individuals behind the movement, and I couldn't find any. So, who are the real leaders then? I have only the words of people within the movement to go off of.

 

[LoneLaugher]

No, you're not looking for "consensus" - you're looking for something to confirm the biases you already have.

Well, not knowing who the true leaders are then, I only have the words of advocates to work off of. Yes, I have biases, and yes, I like any of you, do things to seek their confirmation. But when I read actual words by actual gay people and gay rights activists, what am I to think?

Anything. Just think.

 

[TemplarKormac]

supposedly

Hmm...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

What led you to the conclusion that the LGBT movement in the US is somehow controlled behind the scenes by a Russian activist, an Australian sociology professor, an Australian graduate student, and a collection of other random bloggers?

I've googled many different times over who the actual leaders of the gay rights movement are, individuals behind the movement, and I couldn't find any. So, who are the real leaders then? I have only the words of people within the movement to go off of.

To be honest, there are no "leaders" of the movement, any more than there were "leaders" of the tea party.

But if you're interested in the players, take a look at the staff of HRC, GLAD, GLSEN, or any of the other big advocacy organizations.

 

[mdk]

No, you're not looking for "consensus" - you're looking for something to confirm the biases you already have.

Well, not knowing who the true leaders are then, I only have the words of advocates to work off of. Yes, I have biases, and yes, I like any of you, do things to seek their confirmation. But when I read actual words by actual gay people and gay rights activists, what am I to think?

Oh, so now they are the 'true leaders' of the gay marriage movement. Too funny.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

What led you to the conclusion that the LGBT movement in the US is somehow controlled behind the scenes by a Russian activist, an Australian sociology professor, an Australian graduate student, and a collection of other random bloggers?

I've googled many different times over who the actual leaders of the gay rights movement are, individuals behind the movement, and I couldn't find any. So, who are the real leaders then? I have only the words of people within the movement to go off of.

I'm curious, what people "within the movement" have identified Masha Gessen as their "leader"?

 

[LoneLaugher]

What led you to the conclusion that the LGBT movement in the US is somehow controlled behind the scenes by a Russian activist, an Australian sociology professor, an Australian graduate student, and a collection of other random bloggers?

I've googled many different times over who the actual leaders of the gay rights movement are, individuals behind the movement, and I couldn't find any. So, who are the real leaders then? I have only the words of people within the movement to go off of.

Here are two.

Margaret Hoover.
Michelangelo Signorile

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Mary Bonauto could also be considered a "leader" in the LGBT movement.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Would TK be honest and tell the class where he came up with the Gessen quote for today's bullshit thread? Who turned you on to it, dummy? Name the source of your sudden interest in this woman.

 

[tinydancer]

Masha Gessen is an idiot and is not representative of the gay rights movement as a whole.

Thank you mdk.

 

[dilloduck]

Homosexuals are still striving to be seen as normal people----if this whole thing were truly about equal rights legalizing civil unions would have been sufficient.