Maine adopts constitutional carry

[2aguy]

Does that mean that all those Maine residents who will be "carrying" concealed weapons are automatically enlisted in a militia?

Why would they need to be enlisted in a militia?

Because the Second Amendment specifically talks about a "well regulated militia".

actually it specifically addresses the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms...

 

[2aguy]

Yanno..................ever since we formed up the Armed Forces and the National Guard, there really isn't any reason any more for a militia, because we no longer have to depend on the citizens to defend this country, because we have made a militia out of some of the citizens who wish to serve.

They didn't have that in the late 1700's and early 1800's.

the guard can be federalized...so no, it isn't the same as a militia...

 

[Auld Phart]

Does that mean that all those Maine residents who will be "carrying" concealed weapons are automatically enlisted in a militia?

Why would they need to be enlisted in a militia?

Because the Second Amendment specifically talks about a "well regulated militia".

actually it specifically addresses the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms...

reading challenged...


Only possible excuse

 

[nat4900]

You know that has never happened......the states began allowing concealed and open carry 28 years ago? and the gun crime rate is going down, not up. so since you are wrong in your prediction..50 times in a row......do you care to make another prediction? and the old west was not that violent...everyone had guns....

The family of that recent road rage incident may differ with you, just a tiny bit....But like I stated, have every civilian carry concealed weapons.....if they're not criminals.....YET !!!

 

[2aguy]

Not necessarily.

Only allowing people eligible to join a militia to keep and bear arms, would disenfranchise ALL females, males under the age of 16, and over the age of 45.
(Standard requirements in most colonial militias)

Giving the right to the PEOPLE gives the right to everyone.

Now, now......you're "interpreting" what you wish to read into the Amendment.....Fully realizing that the writers never mentioned carrying a concealed weapon into a movie theatre to ward off some nut job with an automatic, they DID specifically state a MILITIA to defend against [presumably] an invader.

Please step back from your electronic devise...there was already an early repeating rifle at the time of the Bill of Rights....but there was no concept of electronic media.....you have no right to a computer...right?

 

[2aguy]

We've had nutjobs shooting people in theaters since Lincoln.

the first one was a democrat.....

 

[2aguy]

You know that has never happened......the states began allowing concealed and open carry 28 years ago? and the gun crime rate is going down, not up. so since you are wrong in your prediction..50 times in a row......do you care to make another prediction? and the old west was not that violent...everyone had guns....

The family of that recent road rage incident may differ with you, just a tiny bit....But like I stated, have every civilian carry concealed weapons.....if they're not criminals.....YET !!!

and about 2 million Americans each year who use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives disagree with you.......

 

[2aguy]

In these debates over what the Constitution (and Bill of Rights) states or "meant to state"....we should remember that the sacred document should be viewed as an "ever-growing" and even as an "ever-changing" document......Abolition of slavery, abortion, gay rights, voters-rights, re-districting, etc. were issues that had to be adjudicated in courts and the initial document was mostly a basis for good and fair governance....not the all-encompassing final word.

Basic Rights cannot change...or be deleted...no matter how hard the democrats and other lefties want to get rid of them.

 

[2aguy]

ummm

SEIU?

Top Organization Contributors OpenSecrets

I stand corrected.....to some extent.....But,

.....just over half (51 percent) of the members of Congress that convenes next month have received funding from the National Rifle Association’s political action committee at some point in their political careers. And 47 percent received money from the NRA in the most recent race in which they ran. The numbers give insight into the depth and breadth of support that the nation’s most powerful gun lobby commands.

ummm

SEIU?

Top Organization Contributors OpenSecrets

I stand corrected.....to some extent.....But,

.....just over half (51 percent) of the members of Congress that convenes next month have received funding from the National Rifle Association’s political action committee at some point in their political careers. And 47 percent received money from the NRA in the most recent race in which they ran. The numbers give insight into the depth and breadth of support that the nation’s most powerful gun lobby commands.

Do you realize that the NRA is 77 on the list of donors...and that left wing donors all support gun control...and give far more,money than the NRA?

Top Organization Contributors OpenSecrets

 

[nat4900]

the guard can be federalized...so no, it isn't the same as a militia...

In its decision in the 1990 case of Perpich v. Department of Defense 496 U.S. 334 (1990), the Supreme Court effectively federalized even state defense forces. The ruling, although explicitly claiming not to be ruling on the issue of the status of the state defense forces, referenced a few federal statutes that seem to support an inference of federalization of these ersatz militias.

The Supreme Court held: "It is true that the state defense forces 'may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the armed forces.' 32 U.S.C. 109(c). It is nonetheless possible that they are subject to call under 10 U.S.C. 331-333, which distinguish the 'militia' from the 'armed forces,' and which appear to subject all portions of the 'militia' — organized or not — to call if needed for the purposes specified in the Militia Clauses."

The following is a sample of the federal laws cited by the Supreme Court as being likely sources of federal government authority over state defense forces:

10 USC 331 — “Federal aid for State governments”

Whenever there is an insurrection in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.

10 USC 332 — “Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority”

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

 

[2aguy]

An organization completely unsupported by taxpayers, unlike Planned Parenthood and ACORN.

Of you're referring to the NRA, please bear in mind that the vast majority of their funding comes from gun-manufacturers and some of the biggest contributors are foreign ones.

Lie.

 

[2aguy]

Odd, I don't see the NRA on that list.

I did notice the Koch brothers at #48 on the list.

Indeed....the NRA likes to use extortion, like threatening candidates who won't play ball with them by opting to fund their opponents.

wow, you mean like every other citizen does? what a revelation......

 

[2aguy]

Doesn't surprise me.

Many Mainers have been and always will be armed. Hell. Guns on a rack in the truck.

I lived in NH for twenty plus years and have been to Maine many times so I've always seen Mainers armed.

Smart is what they are.

Yep, no one really knows when radical, Muslim lobsters may set up a cell in Bangor.

or when radical Muslims may shoot up army bases, cartoon contests...recruiting stations....or run jets into buildings.....right?


You. Should think more before you post?

 

[nat4900]

Do you realize that the NRA is 77 on the list of donors...and that left wing donors all support gun control...and give far more,money than the NRA?

Oh, but the NRA is very, very good in pushing its agenda....For example:

The NRA provides its own data, talking points, and policy context -- offering something that congressional offices can't generate on their own and that the gun-control lobby doesn't have the resources to provide, either.

At the same time, it has hobbled the ability to get competing information -- like federal and state data -- by successfully pushing legislation that prevents access. For years, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have not been allowed to research gun violence. The criminal-justice system's records of guns used in crime are likewise compromised by congressional action.

A restriction known as the Tiahrt Amendment blocks law-enforcement access to tools like gun traces, gun-purchaser information, and aggregate gun data. The amendment also rids gun dealers of requirements to report inventory data on missing guns.

The NRA even has lobbyists at the United Nations who scuttle attempts at transparency on global weapons transfers.

 

[Claudette]

Doesn't surprise me.

Many Mainers have been and always will be armed. Hell. Guns on a rack in the truck.

I lived in NH for twenty plus years and have been to Maine many times so I've always seen Mainers armed.

Smart is what they are.

Yep, no one really knows when radical, Muslim lobsters may set up a cell in Bangor.

What an idiot you are.

Its not only those radical Muslim lobsters you have to look out for, its the fucking American criminals as well.

If you don't want to carry a gun then don't. But when those radical Muslim lobsters attack your going to be shit out of luck and we'll see how fast a pussie like you can run.

 

[2aguy]

I guess the first point on NRA money is this...if they got every single penny they have from gun makers...so what? this is a free country and everyone has the Right to petition congress...everyone...I know that pisses off the democrat, statist thugs...but freedom is freedom.......

The NRA gets it's money from these sources....

Where does funding for the National Rifle Association NRA come from - Quora

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do you realize that the NRA is 77 on the list of donors...and that left wing donors all support gun control...and give far more,money than the NRA?

Oh, but the NRA is very, very good in pushing its agenda.

Of course it is - that's why you and all the other anti-gun loons vilify it every chance you get.
Damn that freedom of speech.

 

[2aguy]

Do you realize that the NRA is 77 on the list of donors...and that left wing donors all support gun control...and give far more,money than the NRA?

Oh, but the NRA is very, very good in pushing its agenda....For example:

The NRA provides its own data, talking points, and policy context -- offering something that congressional offices can't generate on their own and that the gun-control lobby doesn't have the resources to provide, either.

At the same time, it has hobbled the ability to get competing information -- like federal and state data -- by successfully pushing legislation that prevents access. For years, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have not been allowed to research gun violence. The criminal-justice system's records of guns used in crime are likewise compromised by congressional action.

A restriction known as the Tiahrt Amendment blocks law-enforcement access to tools like gun traces, gun-purchaser information, and aggregate gun data. The amendment also rids gun dealers of requirements to report inventory data on missing guns.

The NRA even has lobbyists at the United Nations who scuttle attempts at transparency on global weapons transfers.

Wow..again...so. so does every other group that wants something...like the NEA and all the other unions who donate far more money and destroy far more American lives.....just try to fix education of our children in this country and see what the teachers unions do...and that targets the futures of our children.....

 

[nat4900]

or when radical Muslims may shoot up army bases, cartoon contests...recruiting stations....or run jets into buildings.....right?

Ahhh, I was trying to discern what the REAL reason may be for every American of your ilk to be armed......It is to shoot up some of those nasty Muslims.

 

[2aguy]

Where does funding for the National Rifle Association NRA come from - Quora