Local Pennsylvania bridal shop harassed and threatened by LGBT activist after turning away same sex

[Tilly]

Christians DO have a moral obligation to uphold the values of the religion they practise - as do the followers of other religions.
When they don’t, people like you are quick to jump in and call them hypocrites/fake Christians, when they do you say they are bigots and ‘superior’!

And Americans DO have a moral obligation to uphold the values of equality we strive to live by.
Both sides here have their noses stuck in the air, I think.

I don’t think Christians attempting to adhere to their moral obligations is sticking their noses in the air, it’s simply practising their religion.
There are plenty of shops not owned by Christians, why insist on something you know goes against a persons beliefs when you absolutley do not have to do that? (Rhetorical - as we all know the answer).

Personally, I wouldn't. I don't know this couple did. People don't put signs in the window saying "We are too good to serve gays." But either way, I think no matter how many times people try to discriminate in their public businesses, they're going to keep getting called on it.

If Christians were to put a sign up it clearly wouldn’t say ‘we are too good to serve gays’ - as that isn’t the reason they don’t want to be participants in gay weddings and don’t want to carry out actions that suggest they condone same sex marriage. But I’m sure you already know that, despite your repeated attempts to characterise the situation otherwise.
Yes, I’m sure the alphabet people will keep pushing their christianophobic agenda- and I’m sure the Christians will keep fighting for their right to practise their religious beliefs - as they should.

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

 

[Aba Incieni]

Are gay people normal, or are they special?

You are special

Can I force you to sell me items you don't carry?

You still are not making a valid point

You still refuse to acknowledge it. Since you say I'm special, can I force you to sell me items you don't carry?

What don’t you carry?

The item my specialness demands.

 

[OldLady]

And Americans DO have a moral obligation to uphold the values of equality we strive to live by.
Both sides here have their noses stuck in the air, I think.

I don’t think Christians attempting to adhere to their moral obligations is sticking their noses in the air, it’s simply practising their religion.
There are plenty of shops not owned by Christians, why insist on something you know goes against a persons beliefs when you absolutley do not have to do that? (Rhetorical - as we all know the answer).

Personally, I wouldn't. I don't know this couple did. People don't put signs in the window saying "We are too good to serve gays." But either way, I think no matter how many times people try to discriminate in their public businesses, they're going to keep getting called on it.

If Christians were to put a sign up it clearly wouldn’t say ‘we are too good to serve gays’ - as that isn’t the reason they don’t want to be participants in gay weddings and don’t want to carry out actions that suggest they condone same sex marriage. But I’m sure you already know that, despite your repeated attempts to characterise the situation otherwise.
Yes, I’m sure the alphabet people will keep pushing their christianophobic agenda- and I’m sure the Christians will keep fighting for their right to practise their religious beliefs - as they should.

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

Well, I certainly don't understand how those same Christians can possibly condone Trump then. Maybe that's a different branch of the church, but it seems he is being supported by a lot of them.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

 

[rightwinger]

I don’t think Christians attempting to adhere to their moral obligations is sticking their noses in the air, it’s simply practising their religion.
There are plenty of shops not owned by Christians, why insist on something you know goes against a persons beliefs when you absolutley do not have to do that? (Rhetorical - as we all know the answer).

Personally, I wouldn't. I don't know this couple did. People don't put signs in the window saying "We are too good to serve gays." But either way, I think no matter how many times people try to discriminate in their public businesses, they're going to keep getting called on it.

If Christians were to put a sign up it clearly wouldn’t say ‘we are too good to serve gays’ - as that isn’t the reason they don’t want to be participants in gay weddings and don’t want to carry out actions that suggest they condone same sex marriage. But I’m sure you already know that, despite your repeated attempts to characterise the situation otherwise.
Yes, I’m sure the alphabet people will keep pushing their christianophobic agenda- and I’m sure the Christians will keep fighting for their right to practise their religious beliefs - as they should.

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

Well, I certainly don't understand how those same Christians can possibly condone Trump then. Maybe that's a different branch of the church, but it seems he is being supported by a lot of them.

I don’t think Christians attempting to adhere to their moral obligations is sticking their noses in the air, it’s simply practising their religion.
There are plenty of shops not owned by Christians, why insist on something you know goes against a persons beliefs when you absolutley do not have to do that? (Rhetorical - as we all know the answer).

Personally, I wouldn't. I don't know this couple did. People don't put signs in the window saying "We are too good to serve gays." But either way, I think no matter how many times people try to discriminate in their public businesses, they're going to keep getting called on it.

If Christians were to put a sign up it clearly wouldn’t say ‘we are too good to serve gays’ - as that isn’t the reason they don’t want to be participants in gay weddings and don’t want to carry out actions that suggest they condone same sex marriage. But I’m sure you already know that, despite your repeated attempts to characterise the situation otherwise.
Yes, I’m sure the alphabet people will keep pushing their christianophobic agenda- and I’m sure the Christians will keep fighting for their right to practise their religious beliefs - as they should.

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

Well, I certainly don't understand how those same Christians can possibly condone Trump then. Maybe that's a different branch of the church, but it seems he is being supported by a lot of them.

Christians seem very selective in what they will tolerate

They will tolerate a man like Trump who has been married three times, never respected his vows, cheated with a porn star while his wife was pregnant.

They will tolerate a pregnant bride, child brides, women who have had abortions

Those weddings they will accept as customers.......a same sex couple who are loyal and respectful of their relationship is an abomination

 

[rightwinger]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I never suggested that people should not be offended, I'm merely saying that, in and of itself, being offended doesn't really accomplish anything and only serves to further one's angst. To me, being offended suggests that, deep down, the offended party is not secure in who and what they are and they allow others' opinions to trigger them. Real change is accomplished by raising awareness, educating and informing.

As an atheist, I'm not offended by a Christian's opinion of me or my way of life because I am secure in who I am. I know that their moral judgments don't come from knowledge but rather come from pat doctrine told to them by someone else. So when discussing the issue with a Christian I inform by pointing out the inconsistencies of their beliefs.

Also, I never excused the behavior of the shop owner, I only pointed out that just shouting "bigot" does not tell the whole story. There's a difference between just hating gays and viewing homosexuality as immoral behavior.

But in an effort to keep the discussion from going further off the rails, if you remember, in my first post I only pointed out that the shop owner did not threaten nor were they abusive. Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't feel that being refused service justifies threatening a person and their family. I also find it hilariously ironic that people who preach tolerance and acceptance hypocritically threaten violence and then call the shop owner a hypocrite. The only thing the callers accomplished was keeping the cycle of hate rolling.

One last thing: being offended doesn't mean you are right. Don't you think a lot of Christians were offended when Joy Behr said that Mike Pence might have a mental problem and that he hears voices because he said he talks to God? It was offensive and an insult to his beliefs, misguided as they might be.

Well, in my post I pointed to what being offended does for society. It makes people aware of what others think is right and wrong.

So it does achieve something.

Not necessarily. It depends on what you're offended about. Being offended seems to be the butthurt du jour these days. Everybody's offended by everything and most often for no other reason than because it's what everybody's doing. Besides, if we give being offended the due consideration you think we should, then we also have to consider that the shop owners are offended by homosexuality and the idea of gay marriage. Had you even thought about that? If the gays do not give equal consideration to the shop owners for their being offended then the gays' righteous chest beating doesn't mean shit.

No, they didn't threaten, but they were abusive.

No, they were not. Being abusive, by definition, is berating the other person and insulting them. All they did was refuse their business to the couple.

According to the article at Huffpost, the shop owner was quoted as saying to the couple: "I don’t know if you’ve heard, but we’re Christian and we don’t believe in that; our faith doesn’t let us believe in that." After that, the gay couple simply left the shop and nothing else was said between them.

I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like abusiveness to me.

The problem with your sentence "Being offended seems to be the butthurt du jour these days." is you're being offended that people are being offended. Ironic, huh?

There's a difference between being irritated and being offended. Don't confuse the two. I'm not offended by all this, I just think it's stupid.

Yes, some people are offended simply for the sake of being offended, and yes, it's kind of annoying.

Other people are offended, or feign offence, because they want the society they live in to be a BETTER PLACE.

Then again, some people just want society to change to suit their special needs. "I'm twenty five years old and still don't know what gender I am so I am offended that I can't use the ladies' room today and the mens' room tomorrow."

I'd much rather live in a society where everyone gets along, rather than a society where everyone is going around treating each other badly and getting away with it with bullshit excuses like "this is what I believe".

Usually when someone says "believe", you know it's bullshit.

You may be right about that but the thing is, people of faith are not the only ones who say "I believe...".

Yes, the shop owners might be offended by the gay people. That's fine. However they have chosen to be shop owners. They could have chosen not be shop owners.

That's true. But in their eyes, the gay couple could have chosen not to be gay. I don't agree with that myself but it's what they honestly believe.

Well, refusing to serve someone because of how they were born is berating them.

No, it's not. Webster's defines "Berate" as: "To scold and condemn vehemently and at length". So no, the shop owner did not berate them.

Who wouldn't want society to suit their needs? Isn't that what voting is for?

I said "special needs" and I gave an example. I'm sorry, but I don't think society should be held hostage because some twit is confused about what gender he/she/it is.

Then there's the case of the black woman suing Wal-Mart because she was offended by the fact that the store had black hair care products in a locked case and then escorted her to the checkout like she was a criminal. Thing is, Wal-Mart and other stores put items that are often shoplifted in locked cases such as electronics and even razor blades as a loss prevention measure. What's more, she most likely knew this.

Then there was the case where someone took a picture of a vase that had cotton plants in it at Hobby Lobby, called it racist and posted it on social media.

The point is, while sometimes people are offended for legitimate reasons, a lot of times it's for stupid shit like this. Where does it end? Being offended has become a license to stop the world just because some powderpuff got his tender widdle feelings hurt.

No, they're not. Religious people are brought up to believe, rather than think. Other people just do it because society is trained towards this, rather than towards thinking.

Look at those on the right who see education as "indoctrination". In part education has to be indoctrination, you have to learn stuff, and when science is competing with made up religious stuff, then what?

It's all indoctrination if the truth is scorned.

Exactly. That's why people like myself have been pushing for more critical thinking skills for the last 15 - 20 years or so.

Well, whether the people in the bridal shop believe something or not is neither here nor there really. What they should KNOW is that there are laws. They don't have to like the laws, they don't even have to follow them, but they do have to suffer the consequences of their actions.

Yes, there are laws. But I'm not sure they apply in this case. The shop owner is bound by law not to discriminate against gays when hiring or employing but I'm not sure it applies in a case where they refuse service or sale because they feel it would be enabling the sinners. I guess we'll see how the case comes out.

As for berate, I disagree. I once got told by someone of the opposite sex that there were many different ways of communicating, because apparently I spoke to much. I stuck my middle finger up and said "like this?"

There are different ways of berating. Scolding can be done through hot water or through words. Therefore it can also be done in other ways. To tell someone "you're not welcome in shops in this country" is as scolding as throwing hot water over them.

I don't think you're aware that there are two different words to use here and they have different meanings. "Scold" is when you verbally discipline someone and "scald" is to burn with hot water or liquid. Therefore, if you throw hot water on someone you are just scalding them and scalding is not the same as berating.

But besides all that, this is what I'm talking about when it comes to people being offended: Some get so emotional they lose their objectivity and blow it all out of proportion. The shop owner did not say the couple was not welcome in the shop, she only told them that they didn't believe in gay marriage and therefore were bound by their beliefs not to sell them a wedding dress. That's it. She didn't tell them to leave or that they were not welcome.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

Nope. If they accepted my lifestyle then they wouldn't be forcing people against their will to do things that go against their beliefs.

That's the opposite of TOLERANCE.

I didn't say ACCEPTANCE, I said TOLERANCE. Big difference.

 

[rightwinger]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

Nope. If they accepted my lifestyle then they wouldn't be forcing people against their will to do things that go against their beliefs.

That's the opposite of ACCEPTANCE.

They are performing a legal act that is accepted by society. As a person, you are allowed to hate anyone you wish.
Your business must follow the laws

 

[airplanemechanic]

You do not have to go against your religious beliefs.

If you can force a Christian to do shit for two fags then you can force a Muslim to eat pork.

 

[Tilly]

I don’t think Christians attempting to adhere to their moral obligations is sticking their noses in the air, it’s simply practising their religion.
There are plenty of shops not owned by Christians, why insist on something you know goes against a persons beliefs when you absolutley do not have to do that? (Rhetorical - as we all know the answer).

Personally, I wouldn't. I don't know this couple did. People don't put signs in the window saying "We are too good to serve gays." But either way, I think no matter how many times people try to discriminate in their public businesses, they're going to keep getting called on it.

If Christians were to put a sign up it clearly wouldn’t say ‘we are too good to serve gays’ - as that isn’t the reason they don’t want to be participants in gay weddings and don’t want to carry out actions that suggest they condone same sex marriage. But I’m sure you already know that, despite your repeated attempts to characterise the situation otherwise.
Yes, I’m sure the alphabet people will keep pushing their christianophobic agenda- and I’m sure the Christians will keep fighting for their right to practise their religious beliefs - as they should.

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

Well, I certainly don't understand how those same Christians can possibly condone Trump then. Maybe that's a different branch of the church, but it seems he is being supported by a lot of them.

Perhaps because the alternative was Hillary Clinton?

 

[OldLady]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

Nope. If they accepted my lifestyle then they wouldn't be forcing people against their will to do things that go against their beliefs.

That's the opposite of TOLERANCE.

I didn't say ACCEPTANCE, I said TOLERANCE. Big difference.

No one said you had to be gay!
Refusing to sell them dresses or shoes is not tolerance OR acceptance.

 

[Tilly]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

Nope. If they accepted my lifestyle then they wouldn't be forcing people against their will to do things that go against their beliefs.

That's the opposite of TOLERANCE.

I didn't say ACCEPTANCE, I said TOLERANCE. Big difference.

No one said you had to be gay!
Refusing to sell them dresses or shoes is not tolerance OR acceptance.

Forcing them to participate in and condone something they consider a sin is not tolerant either.

 

[OldLady]

Personally, I wouldn't. I don't know this couple did. People don't put signs in the window saying "We are too good to serve gays." But either way, I think no matter how many times people try to discriminate in their public businesses, they're going to keep getting called on it.

If Christians were to put a sign up it clearly wouldn’t say ‘we are too good to serve gays’ - as that isn’t the reason they don’t want to be participants in gay weddings and don’t want to carry out actions that suggest they condone same sex marriage. But I’m sure you already know that, despite your repeated attempts to characterise the situation otherwise.
Yes, I’m sure the alphabet people will keep pushing their christianophobic agenda- and I’m sure the Christians will keep fighting for their right to practise their religious beliefs - as they should.

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

Well, I certainly don't understand how those same Christians can possibly condone Trump then. Maybe that's a different branch of the church, but it seems he is being supported by a lot of them.

Perhaps because the alternative was Hillary Clinton?

Certainly, Donald's sinning couldn't be acceptable to anyone that fastidious about their religion. Well, it will remain a mystery to me, I guess.

 

[rightwinger]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

Nope. If they accepted my lifestyle then they wouldn't be forcing people against their will to do things that go against their beliefs.

That's the opposite of TOLERANCE.

I didn't say ACCEPTANCE, I said TOLERANCE. Big difference.

No one said you had to be gay!
Refusing to sell them dresses or shoes is not tolerance OR acceptance.

Forcing them to participate in and condone something they consider a sin is not tolerant either.

Why stop at gay weddings?

Shouldn’t you be able to force all your religious beliefs on your customers?

 

[Tilly]

If Christians were to put a sign up it clearly wouldn’t say ‘we are too good to serve gays’ - as that isn’t the reason they don’t want to be participants in gay weddings and don’t want to carry out actions that suggest they condone same sex marriage. But I’m sure you already know that, despite your repeated attempts to characterise the situation otherwise.
Yes, I’m sure the alphabet people will keep pushing their christianophobic agenda- and I’m sure the Christians will keep fighting for their right to practise their religious beliefs - as they should.

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

Well, I certainly don't understand how those same Christians can possibly condone Trump then. Maybe that's a different branch of the church, but it seems he is being supported by a lot of them.

Perhaps because the alternative was Hillary Clinton?

Certainly, Donald's sinning couldn't be acceptable to anyone that fastidious about their religion. Well, it will remain a mystery to me, I guess.

Neither could a woman so full of sin as Hillary be acceptable, so I guess they were between a rock and a hard place.
Anyway, unless you know how the Christians in the bridal shop voted, it’s all moot.

 

[rightwinger]

The alphabet people are pushing against (some) Christians because those Christians are passing judgment on them and trying to refuse them lawful services.

I went to Sunday school, too, Tilly. I was not taught what these Christians were taught. It doesn't make much sense to me except as plain old fashioned bigotry, the same kind that made life lonely and miserable for a dearly loved family member of mine. I'm glad that's (almost) over for people. Not quite, though.

Christians aren’t ‘passing judgement’ - that’s your spin, they are simply trying to follow their religion and adhere to their religious obligations which include not participating in and not being seen to condone same sex marriage - as doing so is the equivalent of participating in and condoning a sin.
Just because you weren’t told something way back in your Sunday school days doesn’t mean that one should be able to force Christians to participate in something they consider sinful.
Unlike today, where all things LGBTQ are rammed down children’s throats, I don’t suppose back in your day Sunday school teachers thought same sex marriage an issue to raise with children. Hardly evidence that it’s not a sin to Christians!

Well, I certainly don't understand how those same Christians can possibly condone Trump then. Maybe that's a different branch of the church, but it seems he is being supported by a lot of them.

Perhaps because the alternative was Hillary Clinton?

Certainly, Donald's sinning couldn't be acceptable to anyone that fastidious about their religion. Well, it will remain a mystery to me, I guess.

Neither could a woman so full of sin as Hillary be acceptable, so I guess they were between a rock and a hard place.
Anyway, unless you know how the Christians in the bridal shop voted, it’s all moot.

What sins has Hillary committed?

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[Tilly]

I thought fags always preach "tolerance." I guess that's just a codeword for "tolerating my lifestyle, fuck yours."

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

Nope. If they accepted my lifestyle then they wouldn't be forcing people against their will to do things that go against their beliefs.

That's the opposite of TOLERANCE.

I didn't say ACCEPTANCE, I said TOLERANCE. Big difference.

No one said you had to be gay!
Refusing to sell them dresses or shoes is not tolerance OR acceptance.

Forcing them to participate in and condone something they consider a sin is not tolerant either.

Why stop at gay weddings?

Shouldn’t you be able to force all your religious beliefs on your customers?

I don’t have any religious beliefs, so I wouldn’t be forcing any on anybody, anywhere.

However, what I guess I object to the most is that the gvmnt forces religious people - under threat of legal action, crippling fines and the destruction of their businesses and livelihoods - to thoroughly violate their religious convictions when freedom of religion is part of your constitution.

It’s also interesting that the alphabet militants target Christians whilst deliberately turning a blind eye to the very same attitudes toward them when perpetrated by muslims, for example.
This indicates it’s not so much the principle they really care about, or that the principle doesn’t really matter enough to tackle Islam over. There is even footage of muslim bakeries refusing service to gays, but the media and the LGBTQ brigade aren’t interested.

They are at war with Christianity and have given other religious businesses who do the same a pass. They are hypocrites with little of the tolerance they themselves demand.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

They accept your lifestyle
It is you who is intolerant

Nope. If they accepted my lifestyle then they wouldn't be forcing people against their will to do things that go against their beliefs.

That's the opposite of TOLERANCE.

I didn't say ACCEPTANCE, I said TOLERANCE. Big difference.

No one said you had to be gay!
Refusing to sell them dresses or shoes is not tolerance OR acceptance.

Forcing them to participate in and condone something they consider a sin is not tolerant either.

Why stop at gay weddings?

Shouldn’t you be able to force all your religious beliefs on your customers?

I don’t have any religious beliefs, so I wouldn’t be forcing any on anybody, anywhere.
However, what I guess I object to the most is that the gvmnt forces religious people - under threat of legal action, crippling fines and the destruction of their businesses and livelihoods - to thoroughly violate their religious convictions when freedom of religion is part of your constitution.

It’s also interesting that the alphabet militants target Christians whilst deliberately turning a blind eye to the very same attitudes toward them when perpetrated by muslims. This indicates it’s not so much the principle they really care about, or that the principle doesn’t really matter enough to tackle Islam over. There is even footage of muslim bakeries refusing service to gays, but the media and the LGBTQ brigade aren’t interested.
They are at war with Christianity and have given other religious businesses who do the same a pass. They are hypocrites with little of the tolerance they themselves demand.

It’s also interesting that the alphabet militants..

LOL