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So far we have several legal issues going on with the cult of LGBT vs Christianity. We've heard many arguments pro and con. Here are just a few:
Local Pennsylvania bridal shop harassed and threatened by LGBT activist after turning away same sex
Sex Change: Physically Impossible, Psychosocially Unhelpful, and Philosophically Misguided
Oregon Bakers: You get to pay 135,000 for being radical religious morons, Judge so orders!
And currently in the courts as we speak is a case where two lesbians are trying to force Catholic charities to disgorge orphans in their charge into a contractually forced fatherless home for life:
Dumont v Lyons 2017 : Will Fathers (or Mothers) Be Judicially-Legislated Into Irrelevance?
And I believe photographers, caterers and so forth are similarly being forced to their knees in faith.
So I offer the following to those who think that religious objection is "silly", "unfounded", "unconstitutional", "wrong", "bigoted", "illegal" and so forth. Inspired from the Pennsylvania thread linked above. The 1st Amendment is very important in regards to free will. And America is all about free will; and perhaps why it is said to be the most important to God.
(This conversation is between me, an agnostic/pragmatic Christian-type moderate/conservative and an atheist, I would assume, moderate/conservative)
Well I'm sort of a pragmatist Christian. I'll point out the CONSISTENCY of their beliefs when taken into a larger context that may be a Plan larger than the average person (nearly all of us, hence the need for guidance by a faith) can wrap their head around.
Let's take the mandates about homosexuality in the New Testament. We'll leave the old Jewish Laws out of it. In their day and age, they were also a sort of pragmatic scheme for dealing with a more brutal society back then. The scheme fits the day and age.
One example of pragmatism in Old, outdated Jewish law, but that was totally called for in the day and time: the prohibition of pork especially and Kosher law about foods. Look at all the foods and you'll see why. Pork carried many diseases and cooking fires weren't always stoked with enough fuel to cook it properly. Eating it caused illness and death. So ignorance abounded back then, as did a lack of enough cooking fuels, so the Order was "Pork is evil, avoid it". And that just to keep the denizens from killing themselves. Also I think shellfish are forbidden. Same thing, only refrigeration was the problem. The time it took the donkeys to haul the shellfish to market, sitting in the sun, hauling it home, finally cooking it (if there was enough fuel) and you're going to get sick as a dog if you eat it. Etc. etc. Times have changed in diet and so we see these things as "silly" to prohibit.
The New Testament says that you love the sinner, not the sin. With regards to homosexuality, a Christian must not aide or abet the spread of homosexuality "as normal or condoned" within a society. To do so is a mortal sin, unforgivable, earning the Christian eternal damnation in the Pit of Fire. What was done to Sodom was given as an example of God's displeasure with such an enabling. So says Jude 1. For further expounding, read Romans 1 as well, midway to the end of the passage.
The pragmatic reason is in the lesson of Sodom. God's larger plan involves a test. And that test involves a human matrix that is complex, with various concrete roles in any given culture at any given time. The role of male is always dominant more or less. Travel to any enlightened country and you will see this even in very subtle forms. The role of female, less so, different. These are just examples of "different roles" mind you. The gamut is nearly endless if you think about 7 billion people. This is why I have a problem with evangelists trying to convert other societies. There's a passage in the Bible somewhere I remember about leaving other cultures alone unless they really get totally whacked out.
Enter: afterlife. Anyway, the Christian Bible does speak about an afterlife. However I think the Hindus nailed what that afterlife actually is. All that being said, it's important that people don't understand all this, that they have faith instead. Otherwise the potent lessons are diluted. Don't worry, there's nearly no chance at all that anyone would believe all this. lol.
So back to Sodom's matrix. Homosexuality was allowed such a free reign there for so long that it became as a virtue. Blending genders is synonymous with homosexual behavior. That's because the role of male and female is still always sought in the relationship, but they aren't actually there. So we have man-women or women-men becoming the norm. The roles are watered down and the lessons diluted.
Let's say a guy was a total asshole to women in his last life. Used, abused, raped, murdered etc. In his next life, after a deep cleansing in the fires of agony and torture, he might opt for a role as a woman, to further cleanse himself, or ordered to do that (I'm not entirely sure how God's roster works). If women's roles are flexible enough for him just to choose another woman to lie with, escaping any danger whatsoever of learning his lessons, his lessons will never be learned. I think you see where I'm going with this.
So instead of the Bible's wisdom being some flowery esoteric pile of nonsense, as many atheists consider it, it actually is a very pragmatic guide, that receives occasional updates to keep with the times, when a new Oracle or prophet or "Messiah" comes along. But some things are timeless, and this is why the warnings against homosexuality were plucked from the Old Testament and kept anew. Homosexuality in particular threatens the matrix quite a bit. And if the matrix is upset, the lessons are not learned. And if the lessons aren't learned, there is no reason for our existence.
So, God destroyed Sodom because in that matrix, no child would ever grow up to know that homosexuality was a direct threat to that matrix. And, if they emigrated and started touting their values in other societies, those matrices would be threatened as well. So, God blasted the crap out of Sodom and called the one dude forward, flawed as he himself was, to be saved. And that was because Lot was the only one in town who resisted the advances of homosexual males trying to beat his door down to rape the male visitors Lot had inside with him. Lot literally stood between them and the "distant matrixes" to keep the mental illness from taking root and walking out of that place to another site to begin to grow.
It's pragmatic when you back up and look at it. The lessons of the Bible are allegorical, pragmatic and part of a hidden plan to advance souls. The faithful need not fully understand this. And hence the reason for faith. It's important to understand this at your core, then forget it and rely on faith. Because a person's faith too is also an important test. Faith needs to come from the core of the soul, not intellectual reasoning.
I'm very reticent to say this here or anywhere because saying it exposes something that ought to remain hidden. However the danger of many people reading it is minimal. Even less when you consider fewer will buy it as so. It's a thing that has to be intuited through personal experience, trial and prayer. But those who have been through the ringer, all pretty much arrive at a rough approximation of the foregoing. The majority of people who read this will say "what a load of bullshit!" And to them I say, thank you. That too is part of the Plan.
Local Pennsylvania bridal shop harassed and threatened by LGBT activist after turning away same sex
Sex Change: Physically Impossible, Psychosocially Unhelpful, and Philosophically Misguided
Oregon Bakers: You get to pay 135,000 for being radical religious morons, Judge so orders!
And currently in the courts as we speak is a case where two lesbians are trying to force Catholic charities to disgorge orphans in their charge into a contractually forced fatherless home for life:
Dumont v Lyons 2017 : Will Fathers (or Mothers) Be Judicially-Legislated Into Irrelevance?
And I believe photographers, caterers and so forth are similarly being forced to their knees in faith.
So I offer the following to those who think that religious objection is "silly", "unfounded", "unconstitutional", "wrong", "bigoted", "illegal" and so forth. Inspired from the Pennsylvania thread linked above. The 1st Amendment is very important in regards to free will. And America is all about free will; and perhaps why it is said to be the most important to God.
(This conversation is between me, an agnostic/pragmatic Christian-type moderate/conservative and an atheist, I would assume, moderate/conservative)
Well I'm sort of a pragmatist Christian. I'll point out the CONSISTENCY of their beliefs when taken into a larger context that may be a Plan larger than the average person (nearly all of us, hence the need for guidance by a faith) can wrap their head around.
Let's take the mandates about homosexuality in the New Testament. We'll leave the old Jewish Laws out of it. In their day and age, they were also a sort of pragmatic scheme for dealing with a more brutal society back then. The scheme fits the day and age.
One example of pragmatism in Old, outdated Jewish law, but that was totally called for in the day and time: the prohibition of pork especially and Kosher law about foods. Look at all the foods and you'll see why. Pork carried many diseases and cooking fires weren't always stoked with enough fuel to cook it properly. Eating it caused illness and death. So ignorance abounded back then, as did a lack of enough cooking fuels, so the Order was "Pork is evil, avoid it". And that just to keep the denizens from killing themselves. Also I think shellfish are forbidden. Same thing, only refrigeration was the problem. The time it took the donkeys to haul the shellfish to market, sitting in the sun, hauling it home, finally cooking it (if there was enough fuel) and you're going to get sick as a dog if you eat it. Etc. etc. Times have changed in diet and so we see these things as "silly" to prohibit.
The New Testament says that you love the sinner, not the sin. With regards to homosexuality, a Christian must not aide or abet the spread of homosexuality "as normal or condoned" within a society. To do so is a mortal sin, unforgivable, earning the Christian eternal damnation in the Pit of Fire. What was done to Sodom was given as an example of God's displeasure with such an enabling. So says Jude 1. For further expounding, read Romans 1 as well, midway to the end of the passage.
The pragmatic reason is in the lesson of Sodom. God's larger plan involves a test. And that test involves a human matrix that is complex, with various concrete roles in any given culture at any given time. The role of male is always dominant more or less. Travel to any enlightened country and you will see this even in very subtle forms. The role of female, less so, different. These are just examples of "different roles" mind you. The gamut is nearly endless if you think about 7 billion people. This is why I have a problem with evangelists trying to convert other societies. There's a passage in the Bible somewhere I remember about leaving other cultures alone unless they really get totally whacked out.
Enter: afterlife. Anyway, the Christian Bible does speak about an afterlife. However I think the Hindus nailed what that afterlife actually is. All that being said, it's important that people don't understand all this, that they have faith instead. Otherwise the potent lessons are diluted. Don't worry, there's nearly no chance at all that anyone would believe all this. lol.
So back to Sodom's matrix. Homosexuality was allowed such a free reign there for so long that it became as a virtue. Blending genders is synonymous with homosexual behavior. That's because the role of male and female is still always sought in the relationship, but they aren't actually there. So we have man-women or women-men becoming the norm. The roles are watered down and the lessons diluted.
Let's say a guy was a total asshole to women in his last life. Used, abused, raped, murdered etc. In his next life, after a deep cleansing in the fires of agony and torture, he might opt for a role as a woman, to further cleanse himself, or ordered to do that (I'm not entirely sure how God's roster works). If women's roles are flexible enough for him just to choose another woman to lie with, escaping any danger whatsoever of learning his lessons, his lessons will never be learned. I think you see where I'm going with this.
So instead of the Bible's wisdom being some flowery esoteric pile of nonsense, as many atheists consider it, it actually is a very pragmatic guide, that receives occasional updates to keep with the times, when a new Oracle or prophet or "Messiah" comes along. But some things are timeless, and this is why the warnings against homosexuality were plucked from the Old Testament and kept anew. Homosexuality in particular threatens the matrix quite a bit. And if the matrix is upset, the lessons are not learned. And if the lessons aren't learned, there is no reason for our existence.
So, God destroyed Sodom because in that matrix, no child would ever grow up to know that homosexuality was a direct threat to that matrix. And, if they emigrated and started touting their values in other societies, those matrices would be threatened as well. So, God blasted the crap out of Sodom and called the one dude forward, flawed as he himself was, to be saved. And that was because Lot was the only one in town who resisted the advances of homosexual males trying to beat his door down to rape the male visitors Lot had inside with him. Lot literally stood between them and the "distant matrixes" to keep the mental illness from taking root and walking out of that place to another site to begin to grow.
It's pragmatic when you back up and look at it. The lessons of the Bible are allegorical, pragmatic and part of a hidden plan to advance souls. The faithful need not fully understand this. And hence the reason for faith. It's important to understand this at your core, then forget it and rely on faith. Because a person's faith too is also an important test. Faith needs to come from the core of the soul, not intellectual reasoning.
I'm very reticent to say this here or anywhere because saying it exposes something that ought to remain hidden. However the danger of many people reading it is minimal. Even less when you consider fewer will buy it as so. It's a thing that has to be intuited through personal experience, trial and prayer. But those who have been through the ringer, all pretty much arrive at a rough approximation of the foregoing. The majority of people who read this will say "what a load of bullshit!" And to them I say, thank you. That too is part of the Plan.
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