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Heath coverage is a large component of benefits these days. We are looking at a 13% increase in January. Thanks for keeping it affordable Obama.
If you were actually in business and dealt with these type of issues, Blue's narrative makes a lot of sense.
I thought this mandate didn't kick in until 2014.
also, don't forget to subtract all of the subsidies you'd qualify for, that you'd have necessarily researched and included in the math.
no offense GT....but of the 100's of clients I had serviced over nearly 30 years, less than 1% received any type of subsidies.
I dont believe that, at all, or else they don't know what's available.
also, don't forget to subtract all of the subsidies you'd qualify for, that you'd have necessarily researched and included in the math.
no offense GT....but of the 100's of clients I had serviced over nearly 30 years, less than 1% received any type of subsidies.
I dont believe that, at all, or else they don't know what's available.
I would spned 100's of man hours coming up with an accurate fromula....it is not something that can be done on a whim.
Emploee costs include...training (usually 3 months with cost spread over 12 months), loss of revenue from the employee for those first 3 months (loss referring to no GAIN in revenue while training)...payroll cost for empoloyee( referring to tax matching)...benefits (referring to whatever...including bonus if applicable) cost of space (each employee uses an estimated 100 square feet)...cost of conducting business per employee (includes technology, supplies, O and E)...coist of termination of employee if it doesnt work out (unemployment contrinbution...this is a number that is determined by the turnover ratio....so if they have a 10% annual turnover, then we assume 1 out of ten will have that cost)....
It is not a simple analysis.
I'm not asking you, I'm asking the bloviating OP who has apparently already mulled the numbers over.
I dont believe in stories without hard data.
That is proprietary information (if true) and he is likely bound by contract to keep it private..
Whether or not his story is true is irrelevant...it happens to be an accurate dilemma small to medium sized business are facing...or will be facing if they wish to expand beyond 50 employees.
Blue Phantom's account I have no idea if factually accurate but in reality everything he said could be true.
A college in the Pittsburgh area is doing exactly as PH outlined. They are cutting back on hours and who do you think they voted for???
College Cuts Staff Hours to Avoid Obamacare Costs
I want to see actual numbers.
Employee costs X
Employee generates X
Employee will, with benefits, cost X
We go bankrupt at X
also, don't forget to subtract all of the subsidies you'd qualify for, that you'd have necessarily researched and included in the math.
Then why is saveliberty telling a lie?Heath coverage is a large component of benefits these days. We are looking at a 13% increase in January. Thanks for keeping it affordable Obama.
If you were actually in business and dealt with these type of issues, Blue's narrative makes a lot of sense.
I thought this mandate didn't kick in until 2014.
Yes, that is correct. They are collecting taxes now in order for it to look revenue neutral. My company of well over 50 people has already told their non-management people they are done paying for HC in 2014 everyone can go on Obama exchanges. Cheaper to pay the fine then to buy and administer HC.
I want to see actual numbers.
Employee costs X
Employee generates X
Employee will, with benefits, cost X
We go bankrupt at X
also, don't forget to subtract all of the subsidies you'd qualify for, that you'd have necessarily researched and included in the math.
not to mention the 35% tax breal on the ACA payments, and the kick back from the insurance company.
yes....but that does not mean it is not bound by contract....GT....you need to understand, anonymous or not, if it is found you released proprietary data to the public...regardless who you are posing yourself as...you are in breach of contract.I'm not asking you, I'm asking the bloviating OP who has apparently already mulled the numbers over.
I dont believe in stories without hard data.
That is proprietary information (if true) and he is likely bound by contract to keep it private..
Whether or not his story is true is irrelevant...it happens to be an accurate dilemma small to medium sized business are facing...or will be facing if they wish to expand beyond 50 employees.
It is kept private, wow.
It's dry data, from an anonymous user handle.
Since we are making up stories....
I work for a conservative business owner
I told him that our employees do not have health insurance and will go bankrupt if they have a major illness. He said screw them, they are not my problem let the taxpayer pick up their healthcare costs
I explained that I agreed with him and that businesses should not be the ones providing healthcare and that it should be a government function. He jumped up and screamed THATS SOCIALISM
I explained that his attitude is just the problem that Obamacare faced, that no matter what solution was proposed, conservatives tried to block it
He replied....LET THEM DIE
yes....but that does not mean it is not bound by contract....GT....you need to understand, anonymous or not, if it is found you released proprietary data to the public...regardless who you are posing yourself as...you are in breach of contract.That is proprietary information (if true) and he is likely bound by contract to keep it private..
Whether or not his story is true is irrelevant...it happens to be an accurate dilemma small to medium sized business are facing...or will be facing if they wish to expand beyond 50 employees.
It is kept private, wow.
It's dry data, from an anonymous user handle.
Heck...I will talk in generalizations on here....but my ethics would NEVERT allow me to put up actual numbers that someone contracted me out to develop and analyze.
what a childish remark...I expect no less from you.
Exactly where did I say that the employees are treated like a piece of shit?
You assume all business owners do that. Seeing as you beleive that, then I am convinced you were never a business owner.....so you are most definitely not quialified to engage in this debate.
I know for a fact that labor costs are less at Costco than Walmart. Yet Costco pays more and provides better healthcare to their employees. I know about employees dedicating themselves more to companies that don't fuck with them.
Some companies treats their employees like shit, piss themselves if they have to provide a benefit to give them healthcare, and morons like you think that's good for the economy and best interest of this company.
A child could do better analysis than you.
Unless you're a masochist why would you continue to work at a company that "treats their employees like shit, piss"?
What product or service is this business selling that the increased output from expansion would not meet or exceed the additional Obamacare expense?
yes....but that does not mean it is not bound by contract....GT....you need to understand, anonymous or not, if it is found you released proprietary data to the public...regardless who you are posing yourself as...you are in breach of contract.It is kept private, wow.
It's dry data, from an anonymous user handle.
Heck...I will talk in generalizations on here....but my ethics would NEVERT allow me to put up actual numbers that someone contracted me out to develop and analyze.
no, you're incorrect about that.
the releasing of proprietary data, in breach of contract, would necessarily have to come along with the company's name or the information is irrelevant to begin with.
He could falsify the numbers to represent a close scenario, even. Stop bullshitting.
Since we are making up stories....
I work for a conservative business owner
I told him that our employees do not have health insurance and will go bankrupt if they have a major illness. He said screw them, they are not my problem let the taxpayer pick up their healthcare costs
I explained that I agreed with him and that businesses should not be the ones providing healthcare and that it should be a government function. He jumped up and screamed THATS SOCIALISM
I explained that his attitude is just the problem that Obamacare faced, that no matter what solution was proposed, conservatives tried to block it
He replied....LET THEM DIE
You sure? That sounds like liberal response from a mile away
And we know that is alie. Your a liberal, you dont work lol
yes....but that does not mean it is not bound by contract....GT....you need to understand, anonymous or not, if it is found you released proprietary data to the public...regardless who you are posing yourself as...you are in breach of contract.
Heck...I will talk in generalizations on here....but my ethics would NEVERT allow me to put up actual numbers that someone contracted me out to develop and analyze.
no, you're incorrect about that.
the releasing of proprietary data, in breach of contract, would necessarily have to come along with the company's name or the information is irrelevant to begin with.
He could falsify the numbers to represent a close scenario, even. Stop bullshitting.
Excuse me....you are 100% wrong.
If I had the formula for Coca-Cola and I posted it as the formula for a great tasting soda...not using the word Coca-Cola...and I was in contract with Coke.....I would be in breach of contract.
GT...no offense...but you are acting childish now...saying things as fact that you have no idea about.
What product or service is this business selling that the increased output from expansion would not meet or exceed the additional Obamacare expense?
Not only that, but bankrupt the whole operation, lol.
What product or service is this business selling that the increased output from expansion would not meet or exceed the additional Obamacare expense?
Not only that, but bankrupt the whole operation, lol.
I'm no fan of the ACA but I don't buy this shit. This law might be a deterrent in some ways but it's not THIS bad.
