Liberal Business owners - a true story of what I get to deal with right now

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    So I have to share this because it really pisses me off. So I manage a business for two owners who are absolutely fabulous people...I mean wonderful people and I love them to death...but they are flaming liberals and can't see their hand two inches past their nose. So prior to the election they tasked me with setting up a plan fo expansion into a second location. Now I know the books and so the other day we meet and ask my plan and my response was: "I don't think we can expand now"

    "Why not?" they asked confused.

    "Well," I said. "Right now our company has 47 employees. Expanding to a second locaton will put us over the 50 employee limit on Obamacare and we will have to pay health benefits for every one of our employees or pay the fine to avoid it. After looking at the books, that will bankrupt us." I explained.

    "But our business is ready to take the next step." they said to me.

    "Yes it is," I responded "but we can't afford to anymore. The good old days of expanding according to sales and demand are over." I explained. "That's not the way it works anymore."

    "Well why not?" they asked sincerely.

    "Well because of the Affordable Health Care Act" I said. I then explained all the implications and do you know what their response was? These flaming liberals who voted for Obama and pounded the "health care is a human right" angle? Know what they said to me? They said "Well we have to find a loophole to get out of this. We can't afford that. it will end our business."

    I was tempted at that point to reach across the table and strangle them both screaming "this is what you voted for mother fuckers!!!!" but I kept my cool. I said slowly "the business landscape has changed. Now here are our options.....#1 cut every employee to below 30 hours a week. If they go over 30 hours we fire them on the spot."

    "Well how will they support their families on only 30 hours a week?" they asked.

    "If they go over 30 hours after the expansion," I explained "then you will support their families directly from your own pocket because the business cannot sustain the expense incurred by Obamacare." I got incredulous at this point. "Jesus fucking Christ have you not been paying attention?" I was met with silence.

    "Now the other option is to expand to the new location but to sub-contract labor to a different entity. Technically, you will have no new employees and be under the 50 cap. On the other hand you have to entrust your labor to a totally different business...and don't even think about creating a dummy corporation yourself to hire those workers under unless you want a nice battle with the IRS for fraud. It will have to be a completely unrelated business with totally unrelated ownership."

    So after a while of them thinking they looked at me and asked.

    "So what you are saying is that we can't expand our business unless we slash the hours of our employees who need every hour they can get, sub-contract out our labor an allow an independent business to control our labor, or just say fuck it and not expand at all?"

    i said "Yep"

    "THAT'S TOTAL BULLSHIT" they screamed

    "That's what you voted for" I said calmly risking my job.

    I didn't get fired. The expansion will not take place. 45 jobs set and ready just got lost thanks to Obamacare.
     
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    I'm editing my post to include g5000's total debunking of your thread, see below. It would be nice if you came back and admitted that you are full of shit.

    My original post:

    The could hire 3 more full timers and a gazillion part timers and expand their business, if this story is even true, and not have to provide their employees health care coverage.

    I'm very surprised that an employer of 47 full time employees isn't already providing health care coverage.

    Someone else will fill the void.
     
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    and btw, you deserve to be fired for 1) trash talking people that hired you in good faith and 2) giving bad advice to your clients to further your political agenda.

    If this story is even true.

    You should let them read your posts here, especially your polling predictions, and let them evaluate your mental capabilities. :lol:
     
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    The business owners are obviously part of the evil 1% :cool:
     
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    Our CPA/accounting people are being flooded with calls right now, business owners who are trying to deal with this. The answer is usually the same: "There's no magic bullet here; you have to deal with it, we'll try to help you mitigate the costs and damage." Right now the most common approach is to scale back hours, hiring or both.

    For business owners, this isn't about greed. It's about survival.

    Here it comes, gang, enjoy.

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    Holy shit some people can sure lie with ease.
     
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    I love these fabricated first person stories
     
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    Anonymously bad mouthing your employers that trust you on a public forum - very classy.
     
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