Liberal Business owners - a true story of what I get to deal with right now

[G.T.]

Let's do some fun math.

What portion of each employees' coverage would you all have to pay, and how much per year did you estimate that to be, per employee?

Oh.........let's do this.

 

[Dick Tuck]

An employee dedicated to his/her paycheck and/or health benefits is by no means the same as an employee dedicated to the success of the business.

Thank you for making such a valid point...that is EXACTLY where there is a disconnect.

You're saying that you'd be dedicated to growing a business that treats you like a piece of shit? I bet you're stupid enought to believe that if we give the rich more, they'll work harder, and if we give the poor less they'll work harder.

what a childish remark...I expect no less from you.

Exactly where did I say that the employees are treated like a piece of shit?

You assume all business owners do that. Seeing as you beleive that, then I am convinced you were never a business owner.....so you are most definitely not quialified to engage in this debate.

I know for a fact that labor costs are less at Costco than Walmart. Yet Costco pays more and provides better healthcare to their employees. I know about employees dedicating themselves more to companies that don't fuck with them.

Some companies treats their employees like shit, piss themselves if they have to provide a benefit to give them healthcare, and morons like you think that's good for the economy and best interest of this company.

A child could do better analysis than you.

 

[saveliberty]

You can move your current full timers around to cover both places and pay the part timers a living wage as many people would prefer to work part time if they were treated and paid well. People like you should keep quiet when adults are talking.

They aren't interchangable widgets. Taking managers and spliting them in two could be a disaster. The distance between locations was not mentioned. Some may not have transportation or the interest in working further from home.

 

[Cowman]

Since we are making up stories....

I work for a conservative business owner

I told him that our employees do not have health insurance and will go bankrupt if they have a major illness. He said screw them, they are not my problem let the taxpayer pick up their healthcare costs

I explained that I agreed with him and that businesses should not be the ones providing healthcare and that it should be a government function. He jumped up and screamed THATS SOCIALISM

I explained that his attitude is just the problem that Obamacare faced, that no matter what solution was proposed, conservatives tried to block it

He replied....LET THEM DIE

You sure? That sounds like liberal response from a mile away
And we know that is alie. Your a liberal, you dont work lol

Liberals are working jobs all around you, but you're too fucking dumb to realize it.

If every fucking worker in this country was a conservative and only half of them voted, you'd have won this election handily.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You're saying that you'd be dedicated to growing a business that treats you like a piece of shit? I bet you're stupid enought to believe that if we give the rich more, they'll work harder, and if we give the poor less they'll work harder.

what a childish remark...I expect no less from you.

Exactly where did I say that the employees are treated like a piece of shit?

You assume all business owners do that. Seeing as you beleive that, then I am convinced you were never a business owner.....so you are most definitely not quialified to engage in this debate.

I know for a fact that labor costs are less at Costco than Walmart. Yet Costco pays more and provides better healthcare to their employees. I know about employees dedicating themselves more to companies that don't fuck with them.

Some companies treats their employees like shit, piss themselves if they have to provide a benefit to give them healthcare, and morons like you think that's good for the economy and best interest of this company.

A child could do better analysis than you.

Unless you're a masochist why would you continue to work at a company that "treats their employees like shit, piss"?

 

[Jarhead]

The could hire 3 more full timers and a gazillion part timers and expand their business, if this story is even true, and not have to provide their employees health care coverage.

I'm very surprised that an employer of 47 full time employees isn't already providing health care coverage.

Someone else will fill the void.

you cant successfully expand a business with all part timers. It is impossible. Dedication of employees does not become an asset unless they are full time.

You need to understand how to run and expand a business to successfully engage in a debate on this topic.

Employee dedication and loyalty is very important to a small business....if one employee is not dedicated, the quality of the work/product/service is only as good as that one "non dedicated" employee.

You can move your current full timers around to cover both places and pay the part timers a living wage as many people would prefer to work part time if they were treated and paid well. People like you should keep quiet when adults are talking.

In bold.....not sure where that was warranted. I have NEVER resorted to insulting you in a debate...and to the contrary I continually use you as an examnple of someone I disagree with, but learn from.

As for moving current full time employees around.....if you ran a business, and you are ready to expand, you most CERTAINLY dont change what worked for you to get to the point of expanding....

A part time employee, no matter how well they are paid...are still earning a part time wage.

if they are part time by choice, that means there is something else in their life that takes priority...and that is fine...many have other priorities.......but their job is still second in line.

If they are part time by default...they will always be looking for a more permanent full time position...as they should be.....and thus, again, there is a loss of dedication.

 

[Papageorgio]

Some people tend to put the best interest of their country ahead of their personal wealth. Warren Buffet supported Obama. He'll find ways to build his businesses, and probably figure out ways to leverage the improved health of his workers.

If someone I paid to manage my business came to me and said we can't grow because we're moving toward universal health care, I'd think about hiring someone who told me how I can grow. I'd prefer hiring a systems thinker, who thought of the here and now, and gave me an optimal strategy. I wouldn't want some pea brain partisan hack telling me how I voted limited my growth potential. Too bad managers aren't required to take course work in operations research.

I've worked for, and managed groups for, companies who did quite a bit of work for federal, state, and city governments. When we grew to the point where small business set asides were at risk, we didn't whine about not growing. The task was to figure out how to grow. Maybe you're not cut out to be a manager.

That I can agree with, I manage a business and it is "how can we."

Government interference does create challenges that make creative answers, though it is tougher to work around the red tape.

We are donating use of equipment to a charity this Christmas for terminally ill children. Our employees want to donate time, the issue now moves to workman's comp and liability. We are trying to work this out with the state but they sure don't like to budge.

 

[Jarhead]

You're saying that you'd be dedicated to growing a business that treats you like a piece of shit? I bet you're stupid enought to believe that if we give the rich more, they'll work harder, and if we give the poor less they'll work harder.

what a childish remark...I expect no less from you.

Exactly where did I say that the employees are treated like a piece of shit?

You assume all business owners do that. Seeing as you beleive that, then I am convinced you were never a business owner.....so you are most definitely not quialified to engage in this debate.

I know for a fact that labor costs are less at Costco than Walmart. Yet Costco pays more and provides better healthcare to their employees. I know about employees dedicating themselves more to companies that don't fuck with them.

Some companies treats their employees like shit, piss themselves if they have to provide a benefit to give them healthcare, and morons like you think that's good for the economy and best interest of this company.

A child could do better analysis than you.

lol....you are a trip.

"I know for a fact"....LMAO.....

Whatever...have your fun.

 

[saveliberty]

I know for a fact that labor costs are less at Costco than Walmart. Yet Costco pays more and provides better healthcare to their employees. I know about employees dedicating themselves more to companies that don't fuck with them.

Some companies treats their employees like shit, piss themselves if they have to provide a benefit to give them healthcare, and morons like you think that's good for the economy and best interest of this company.

A child could do better analysis than you.

Explain how Blue misrepresented Obamacare and an employer with 50 or more employees. Are you suggesting he just say go ahead and not inform the owners?

 

[Jarhead]

I know for a fact that labor costs are less at Costco than Walmart. Yet Costco pays more and provides better healthcare to their employees. I know about employees dedicating themselves more to companies that don't fuck with them.

Some companies treats their employees like shit, piss themselves if they have to provide a benefit to give them healthcare, and morons like you think that's good for the economy and best interest of this company.

A child could do better analysis than you.

Explain how Blue misrepresented Obamacare and an employer with 50 or more employees. Are you suggesting he just say go ahead and not inform the owners?

The fact that DT resorted to saying "a child can do a better analyisis" speaks volumes..

He has no idea how to run a business.....

 

[TNHarley]

Since we are making up stories....

I work for a conservative business owner

I told him that our employees do not have health insurance and will go bankrupt if they have a major illness. He said screw them, they are not my problem let the taxpayer pick up their healthcare costs

I explained that I agreed with him and that businesses should not be the ones providing healthcare and that it should be a government function. He jumped up and screamed THATS SOCIALISM

I explained that his attitude is just the problem that Obamacare faced, that no matter what solution was proposed, conservatives tried to block it

He replied....LET THEM DIE

You sure? That sounds like liberal response from a mile away
And we know that is alie. Your a liberal, you dont work lol

Liberals are working jobs all around you, but you're too fucking dumb to realize it.

If every fucking worker in this country was a conservative and only half of them voted, you'd have won this election handily.

Joke, hence lol. But you are too fuckin dumb to realize it

 

[Mac1958]

Sorry, but for places like Papa Johns and Walmart, it IS about greed.

And what about the hundreds of thousands of small and mid-size businesses who are already struggling in a tough economy, doing everything they can just to keep their business afloat?

What would you tell them?

.

I would tell them that the Affordable Care Act Helps Small Businesses.

How many of these "struggling small and mid size businesses" employ 50 or more people? If you DO employee 50 or more people, why aren't you already providing health care?

A "mid size" business is typically defined as having 50 or more employees.

A business of any size that is already straining to stay afloat in a bad economy now has to worry about whether they need to cut or limit hours to employees, often key employees, because if those employees work too many hours it adds more costs and regulations (even more costs) to the employer. And it sure as hell will make them think twice about hiring new people. And this is whether or not the employer already provides health insurance.

Tax credits are lovely. If you can keep the doors open long enough to qualify for them.

This is madness. I think what we're supposed to tell these business owners is "tough shit, deal with it. And if you have to close your doors, tough shit. And to the employees who lose their jobs as a result, well, tough shit."

Let's just be honest. As much as I would like to avoid single payer, it would have been preferable to this monster.

.

 

[saveliberty]

This discussion reminds me of video rental stores. You couldn't drive a mile in any direction without running into one of them. Boy those people were making money huh? Go out and put up another one was the way to make money huh? How is that working out? Now imagine having to provide health coverage while expanding like that.

 

[Papageorgio]

The could hire 3 more full timers and a gazillion part timers and expand their business, if this story is even true, and not have to provide their employees health care coverage.

I'm very surprised that an employer of 47 full time employees isn't already providing health care coverage.

Someone else will fill the void.

you cant successfully expand a business with all part timers. It is impossible. Dedication of employees does not become an asset unless they are full time.

You need to understand how to run and expand a business to successfully engage in a debate on this topic.

Employee dedication and loyalty is very important to a small business....if one employee is not dedicated, the quality of the work/product/service is only as good as that one "non dedicated" employee.

Our business model is set with employee dedication as a key and management supplying the employee with the tools and the support to succeed. It is customer service and quality that set us apart from other businesses like ours and we are keying into it.

 

[Ravi]

"THAT'S TOTAL BULLSHIT" they screamed

This OP is total bullshit.

It reeks of absolute bullshit in the way you painstakingly pieced it together and tried to make it into a story.

Wait, liberals are always screaming hysterically.

 

[Jarhead]

And what about the hundreds of thousands of small and mid-size businesses who are already struggling in a tough economy, doing everything they can just to keep their business afloat?

What would you tell them?

.

I would tell them that the Affordable Care Act Helps Small Businesses.

How many of these "struggling small and mid size businesses" employ 50 or more people? If you DO employee 50 or more people, why aren't you already providing health care?

A "mid size" business is typically defined as having 50 or more employees.

A business of any size that is already straining to stay afloat in a bad economy now has to worry about whether they need to cut or limit hours to employees, often key employees, because if those employees work too many hours it adds more costs and regulations (even more costs) to the employer. And it sure as hell will make them think twice about hiring new people. And this is whether or not the employer already provides health insurance.

Tax credits are lovely. If you can keep the doors open long enough to qualify for them.

This is madness. I think what we're supposed to tell these business owners is "tough shit, deal with it. And if you have to close your doors, tough shit. And to the employees who lose their jobs as a result, well, tough shit."

Let's just be honest. As much as I would like to avoid single payer, it would have been preferable to this monster.

.

I agree....but a single payer would have been laden with waste and fraud...and it would have been a disaster as well.

 

[Ravi]

and btw, you deserve to be fired for 1) trash talking people that hired you in good faith and 2) giving bad advice to your clients to further your political agenda.

If this story is even true.

You should let them read your posts here, especially your polling predictions, and let them evaluate your mental capabilities.

You think people should be hired and fired based on posts on a message board?

I think results is a better way, if someone has gotten you to the point of expansion, then they are doing something right.

Do you own or manage a business?

Yes, and if I knew that someone gave me bad advice to further a political agenda or trash talked me I would fire them in a heartbeat.

 

[saveliberty]

I'm in the landscape business. All the guys with flashy new trucks that jumped in when the economy cost their prior job are gone now. Being careful with money is a must in business.

 

[Ravi]

This discussion reminds me of video rental stores. You couldn't drive a mile in any direction without running into one of them. Boy those people were making money huh? Go out and put up another one was the way to make money huh? How is that working out? Now imagine having to provide health coverage while expanding like that.

That was a failed business model to begin with.

 

[Jarhead]

The could hire 3 more full timers and a gazillion part timers and expand their business, if this story is even true, and not have to provide their employees health care coverage.

I'm very surprised that an employer of 47 full time employees isn't already providing health care coverage.

Someone else will fill the void.

you cant successfully expand a business with all part timers. It is impossible. Dedication of employees does not become an asset unless they are full time.

You need to understand how to run and expand a business to successfully engage in a debate on this topic.

Employee dedication and loyalty is very important to a small business....if one employee is not dedicated, the quality of the work/product/service is only as good as that one "non dedicated" employee.

Our business model is set with employee dedication as a key and management supplying the employee with the tools and the support to succeed. It is customer service and quality that set us apart from other businesses like ours and we are keying into it.

Prior to my retirement 11 months ago, 60% of my business was business consulting....30% recruiting....30% temporary placement/outsourcing.

Employee dedication was ALWYS a key component to my analyses....I would explain to clients why they have a high turnover; why their employees were not dedicated....and how to turn it around.

Many believe simply giving a raise is the answer....it is far from the truth....work environemnt is 50% of it alone....clean space.....asking the empoloyees their opinions as it pertains to bettering the environment..and instituting theones that make sense.....little things like that.....