Legal scholars say Obama violated constitution by giving amnesty to illegals

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This is what the internet has been saying the last 4 months. The constitution says it is the duty of the president to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". If he wants amnesty obozo has to get the law changed - he can't just refuse to enforce the law.

Obama's refusal to deport illegal aliens unconstitutional, say law professors | Fox News

By Perry ChiaramontePublished October 13, 2012FoxNews.com

Two law professors, including one who served in the Bush Justice Department, have published a paper charging that President Obama violated the Constitution with his directive to law enforcement not to deport illegal aliens.

In the paper entitled, “The Obama Administration, the Dream Act and the Take Care Clause,” authors Robert Delahunty of the University of St. Thomas [Minnesota] and John Yoo, a law professor at University of California at Berkeley and former U.S. deputy assistant attorney general, blast Obama's moratorium on deporting certain illegal immigrants. The professors dismissed the idea that the decision on whether to deport illegal immigrants who are arrested for minor infractions is a matter of prosecutorial discretion.

“It’s the duties of the president. He must always uphold the law.”
- John Yoo, Berkeley law professor and former State Department attorney

“If there’s one case and it’s left to the prosecutor well that’s fine, but what Obama did was take a million cases and leave it up to prosecutorial discretion, “John Yoo said to FoxNews.com. “The only reason it’s under [Department of Homeland Security Secretary] Janet Napolitano’s discretion is because Obama had made his decision. If she’s doing it under her own, she would have to be fired.”

An abstract for the paper debunks the claim that the president has the Constitutional to not enforce civil laws crafted and passed by Congress.

“It’s the duty of the president. He must always uphold the law,” Yoo said, adding that the only exceptions in doing so are if laws are unconstitutional or if prosecuting them can be reasonably deemed not viable.
 
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Are you just figuring this out?

HAHAHA. I've been saying this since the day obozo announced his amnesty. Good to see lawyers are finally saying it too. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals also but at least he did to correctly - he got congress to pass a law.
 
Obama isn't interested in upholding laws. He is interested in upholding his agenda and unfortunately for our constitution, it doesn't go along with his plans.

Meanwhile, many of those illegal aliens will vote and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. They have fake IDs, stolen identities and many have registered to vote. Some states unwisely gave illegal aliens valid driver's licenses and they registered via motor voter. A person merely needs to get their name on the list at the polling places and no one will question them. Remember the guy who was able to walk into a registering place in Illinois and walk out with someone else's ballot (wasn't it Rahm's?) I do believe that the liberals are sending a message to them to vote since they've shot down voter ID, sued states for trying to update voter rolls and currently there isn't a good system in place for catching fraud. A few cases have come to light, but it took a lot of investigation to find them. The ones who are trying to make sure the voting system remains honest are up against a tide of those who want to make it easy for unidentied people to cast ballots.

Even if voter fraud is found after the election, there won't be any cooperation with the Obama administration, should he win, to prosecute. I bet they'd continue to do all they can to keep a lid on it and try to stop states from investigating.

Even in a reasonably honest system, we have so many takers that it's getting unbalanced. This has been warned about for centuries. When the majority can vote themselves money from the tax payers, we are done!!!
 

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This is what the internet has been saying the last 4 months. The constitution says it is the duty of the president to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". If he wants amnesty obozo has to get the law changed - he can't just refuse to enforce the law.

Obama's refusal to deport illegal aliens unconstitutional, say law professors | Fox News

By Perry ChiaramontePublished October 13, 2012FoxNews.com

Two law professors, including one who served in the Bush Justice Department, have published a paper charging that President Obama violated the Constitution with his directive to law enforcement not to deport illegal aliens.

In the paper entitled, “The Obama Administration, the Dream Act and the Take Care Clause,” authors Robert Delahunty of the University of St. Thomas [Minnesota] and John Yoo, a law professor at University of California at Berkeley and former U.S. deputy assistant attorney general, blast Obama's moratorium on deporting certain illegal immigrants. The professors dismissed the idea that the decision on whether to deport illegal immigrants who are arrested for minor infractions is a matter of prosecutorial discretion.

“It’s the duties of the president. He must always uphold the law.”
- John Yoo, Berkeley law professor and former State Department attorney

“If there’s one case and it’s left to the prosecutor well that’s fine, but what Obama did was take a million cases and leave it up to prosecutorial discretion, “John Yoo said to FoxNews.com. “The only reason it’s under [Department of Homeland Security Secretary] Janet Napolitano’s discretion is because Obama had made his decision. If she’s doing it under her own, she would have to be fired.”

An abstract for the paper debunks the claim that the president has the Constitutional to not enforce civil laws crafted and passed by Congress.

“It’s the duty of the president. He must always uphold the law,” Yoo said, adding that the only exceptions in doing so are if laws are unconstitutional or if prosecuting them can be reasonably deemed not viable.

John Yoo? Isn't he the Bush administration point man who wrote legal briefs which gave Bush (in his opinion) the necessary political cover to waterboard prisoners despite all the treaties the US signed which classified waterboarding as torture?

By the way, someone should tell Johnny that LE isn't the legal authority which is responsible for the deportation of illegal aliens.
 
You are entitled to your incorrect legal position. Yea, the President's orders were legal.

This is what the internet has been saying the last 4 months. The constitution says it is the duty of the president to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". If he wants amnesty obozo has to get the law changed - he can't just refuse to enforce the law.ys uphold the law.”
 
You are entitled to your incorrect legal position. Yea, the President's orders were legal.

This is what the internet has been saying the last 4 months. The constitution says it is the duty of the president to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". If he wants amnesty obozo has to get the law changed - he can't just refuse to enforce the law.ys uphold the law.”

When were you elected onto the SC, Jokey?
 
This is what the internet has been saying the last 4 months. The constitution says it is the duty of the president to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". If he wants amnesty obozo has to get the law changed - he can't just refuse to enforce the law.

Obama's refusal to deport illegal aliens unconstitutional, say law professors | Fox News

By Perry ChiaramontePublished October 13, 2012FoxNews.com

Two law professors, including one who served in the Bush Justice Department, have published a paper charging that President Obama violated the Constitution with his directive to law enforcement not to deport illegal aliens.

In the paper entitled, “The Obama Administration, the Dream Act and the Take Care Clause,” authors Robert Delahunty of the University of St. Thomas [Minnesota] and John Yoo, a law professor at University of California at Berkeley and former U.S. deputy assistant attorney general, blast Obama's moratorium on deporting certain illegal immigrants. The professors dismissed the idea that the decision on whether to deport illegal immigrants who are arrested for minor infractions is a matter of prosecutorial discretion.

“It’s the duties of the president. He must always uphold the law.”
- John Yoo, Berkeley law professor and former State Department attorney

“If there’s one case and it’s left to the prosecutor well that’s fine, but what Obama did was take a million cases and leave it up to prosecutorial discretion, “John Yoo said to FoxNews.com. “The only reason it’s under [Department of Homeland Security Secretary] Janet Napolitano’s discretion is because Obama had made his decision. If she’s doing it under her own, she would have to be fired.”

An abstract for the paper debunks the claim that the president has the Constitutional to not enforce civil laws crafted and passed by Congress.

“It’s the duty of the president. He must always uphold the law,” Yoo said, adding that the only exceptions in doing so are if laws are unconstitutional or if prosecuting them can be reasonably deemed not viable.

He did. PD does not mean you can choose to exclude whole Groups of People from Prosecution under existing law simply because you don't like the law.

The President must Enforce all the laws, Equally on all groups of people. If he does not like a law, it is not with in his power to change it, or ignore it.
 
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John Yoo?

You’ve got to be kidding.

And these ‘scholars’ are playing politics, they know very well the president is not giving anyone ‘amnesty’ and that the deferral policy is perfectly appropriate in the context of prosecutorial discretion:

GOP Attorney General: Decision Was Not An Executive Order. In an interview with the Washington Post's Greg Sargent, conservative Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, a supporter of Republican Mitt Romney, brushed off the notion that the immigration policy change occurred via executive order:

Republicans and conservatives have argued either that Obama did this by executive order or more broadly that ignoring Congress represents dictatorial rule by fiat. But Shurtleff rejected that view, noting that this decision was not made via executive order and that the administration has the discretion to decide whom to prosecute.

"Law enforcement makes decisions based on the resources available to them -- until Congress acts, we'll be left with too many people to deport," Shurtleff said. "The administration is saying, 'Here's a group we could be spending our resources going after, but why? They're Americans, they see themselves as Americans, they love this country.'" [The Washington Post, The Plum Line, 6/15/12]

Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion Is Different From Issuing An Executive Order | Research | Media Matters for America
 
You are blah blahing again, CaliGirl.

The president's orders are legal until otherwise decided not so by the court.

Thus, your opinions, CG are as incorrect as SS, which is your right.

You are entitled to your incorrect legal position. Yea, the President's orders were legal.

This is what the internet has been saying the last 4 months. The constitution says it is the duty of the president to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". If he wants amnesty obozo has to get the law changed - he can't just refuse to enforce the law.ys uphold the law.”

When were you elected onto the SC, Jokey?
 
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Even in a reasonably honest system, we have so many takers that it's getting unbalanced. This has been warned about for centuries. When the majority can vote themselves money from the tax payers, we are done!!!

Got that right - we need to restrict voting. To those who say that would be unconstitutional, i point out that many states don't let felons vote. We could do the same thing with welfare recips.
 
John Yoo?

You’ve got to be kidding.

And these ‘scholars’ are playing politics, they know very well the president is not giving anyone ‘amnesty’ and that the deferral policy is perfectly appropriate in the context of prosecutorial discretion:

And how do you justify prosecutorial discretion?? Are you allowed to rob a bank just because you have a family or are going to college??
 
You are entitled to your incorrect legal position. Yea, the President's orders were legal.

This is what the internet has been saying the last 4 months. The constitution says it is the duty of the president to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". If he wants amnesty obozo has to get the law changed - he can't just refuse to enforce the law.ys uphold the law.”
No they weren't. But typical of you and your ilk you think so.
 
John Yoo?

You’ve got to be kidding.

And these ‘scholars’ are playing politics, they know very well the president is not giving anyone ‘amnesty’ and that the deferral policy is perfectly appropriate in the context of prosecutorial discretion:

And how do you justify prosecutorial discretion?? Are you allowed to rob a bank just because you have a family or are going to college??

You can't Justify it. PD is meant to be used on a case by case basis, as you weigh a specific case and the circumstances around it. It was not meant as a way for the President to Declare an entire group in effect immune to an existing law.

He can not pick and choose what laws to enforce. Period.
 
You are entitled to your incorrect legal position. Yea, the President's orders were legal.

If it's unconstitutional, it can't be legal. In fact all EOs are illegal since the constitution says all legislative power is vested in congress.
 
You are entitled to your incorrect legal position. Yea, the President's orders were legal.

If it's unconstitutional, it can't be legal. In fact all EOs are illegal since the constitution says all legislative power is vested in congress.

Nonsense.

The courts have reviewed and held as Constitutional numerous EO’s. See, e.g., Contractors Association v. the Secretary of Labor and AFL-CIO v. Kahn.

And there’s yet another fact you’ve failed to acknowledge: the deferral of prosecutions is DHS policy, it’s not per an EO.
 
John Yoo?

You’ve got to be kidding.

And these ‘scholars’ are playing politics, they know very well the president is not giving anyone ‘amnesty’ and that the deferral policy is perfectly appropriate in the context of prosecutorial discretion:

GOP Attorney General: Decision Was Not An Executive Order. In an interview with the Washington Post's Greg Sargent, conservative Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, a supporter of Republican Mitt Romney, brushed off the notion that the immigration policy change occurred via executive order:

Republicans and conservatives have argued either that Obama did this by executive order or more broadly that ignoring Congress represents dictatorial rule by fiat. But Shurtleff rejected that view, noting that this decision was not made via executive order and that the administration has the discretion to decide whom to prosecute.

"Law enforcement makes decisions based on the resources available to them -- until Congress acts, we'll be left with too many people to deport," Shurtleff said. "The administration is saying, 'Here's a group we could be spending our resources going after, but why? They're Americans, they see themselves as Americans, they love this country.'" [The Washington Post, The Plum Line, 6/15/12]

Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion Is Different From Issuing An Executive Order | Research | Media Matters for America

Where is it written that the President, or anyone else, can exempt classes of people from the law? The President took an oath to faithfully execute the laws of the United States of America. There was no addenum that said only if he approves of the laws.
 
I'm confused...isn't it the Supreme Court's job to rule on constitutionality?
What have they said about it?
 

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