CDZ Keeping the kids safe.

[2aguy]

Allowing children to be around homosexuals is far more dangerous.

Allowing a child around RELIGION is by far the most dangerous! The concept of god all together should be banned.

Unless you count atheism...since atheists murdered 262 million people, most after 1917......

WILLIAMS: Fascism And Communism

The People's Republic of China tops the list, with 76 million lives lost at the hands of the government from 1949 to 1987.
The Soviet Union follows, with 62 million lives lost from 1917 to 1987.

Adolf Hitler's Nazi German government killed 21 million people between 1933 and 1945.

Then there are lesser murdering regimes, such as Nationalist China, Japan, Turkey, Vietnam and Mexico.

According to Rummel's research, the 20th century saw 262 millionpeople's lives lost at the hands of their own governments.

 

[2aguy]

Talladega 5-year-old dies after accidental shooting

So here we have another infant "accidentally" shot with a gun that he found in the home....How are kids protected against the stupidity of their parents ?

That's one part of the problem of gun-related deaths. It's not possible to protect kids when their parents callousness, insouciance, disinterest, etc. are the aids, abbetments and sources of danger to which children are exposed. Although no parent is required or expected to get everything right all the time, all parents are expected to make no decision so ill conceived, so inaptly executed, so negligent....so wrong that their kids cannot recover and nonetheless thrive in the wake of them.

Modern societies have implemented myriad implements that help keep kids safe from parental stupidity: child-resistant caps, interior trunk release pull cords, child safety seat laws, auto-stopping electric windows, myriad devices having auto-off functionality, etc. In spite of seeing value in having such things on the accoutrements of modern household life, the gun industry and society in general will broker no similar modes of precaution with regard to guns.

Insofar as there is no way to stop stupid parents from doing stupid things, kids will die. I have resigned myself to the fact that, at least at present, America, in general simply care that that happens. Accordingly, I don't really know why when it happens it even makes it into the news. What's the point? The U.S. had the Las Vegas shooting and the word form the WH was that then wasn't the time to talk about it. There was all that hoopla about bump stocks and where did that go?

Annually, kids die from their parents' careless gun handling/storage, and what's been done about it? Not even so much as a law holding parent criminally accountable for such negligent behavior. If not enough people care, why bother wasting time talking about it. Kids die because their parent mishandle guns. Get over it. That's the resonantly and immutably implicit message from the American electorate.

You might have a point if you knew what you were talking about.....if the number of people murdered in the Vegas shooting concerns you....do you also want to ban rental trucks...since the number of people murdered by a muslim terrorist in Nice, France using a rental truck was more than the Vegas shooter?

the Vegas shooter used 2 rifles, over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people...

He murdered 58.

The muslim terrorist in France, using a rental truck....

He murdered 86.

As to mass shootings....do you also want to ban knives? Knives murder more people each and every year than all guns do in all mass shootings since 1982.

The total number of all deaths from mass public shootings since 1982?

US mass shootings, 1982-2018: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017

795

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....(FBI homicide table 8)

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956

 

[2aguy]

Talladega 5-year-old dies after accidental shooting

So here we have another infant "accidentally" shot with a gun that he found in the home....How are kids protected against the stupidity of their parents ?

That's one part of the problem of gun-related deaths. It's not possible to protect kids when their parents callousness, insouciance, disinterest, etc. are the aids, abbetments and sources of danger to which children are exposed. Although no parent is required or expected to get everything right all the time, all parents are expected to make no decision so ill conceived, so inaptly executed, so negligent....so wrong that their kids cannot recover and nonetheless thrive in the wake of them.

Modern societies have implemented myriad implements that help keep kids safe from parental stupidity: child-resistant caps, interior trunk release pull cords, child safety seat laws, auto-stopping electric windows, myriad devices having auto-off functionality, etc. In spite of seeing value in having such things on the accoutrements of modern household life, the gun industry and society in general will broker no similar modes of precaution with regard to guns.

Insofar as there is no way to stop stupid parents from doing stupid things, kids will die. I have resigned myself to the fact that, at least at present, America, in general simply care that that happens. Accordingly, I don't really know why when it happens it even makes it into the news. What's the point? The U.S. had the Las Vegas shooting and the word form the WH was that then wasn't the time to talk about it. There was all that hoopla about bump stocks and where did that go?

Annually, kids die from their parents' careless gun handling/storage, and what's been done about it? Not even so much as a law holding parent criminally accountable for such negligent behavior. If not enough people care, why bother wasting time talking about it. Kids die because their parent mishandle guns. Get over it. That's the resonantly and immutably implicit message from the American electorate.

It certainly looks that way. Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

So one would think, but I can assure you the gun lobby doesn't agree, and the people who care more about their guns than do about kids being killed by guns owned by their parents agree with the gun lobby, and over the past 30 years or so, they've managed to convince Congress that they are right.

This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

Let's not kid ourselves. Those parents already have a safety net. It's called don't keep a gun in a place where there's any chance at all that minors can access it. One way to do that is to simply not own one.

There are close to 600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million Americans have carry permits for their gun....how many accidental child deaths due to guns?


https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal.html

2016:

Accidental gun death age <1 -14 ....74
gun murder <1 -14.....238

So......since there are 60,975,065 children in the United states.....guns caused 74 accidental death of children...and if you look at the deaths, many are in homes run by criminals..who cannot legally buy, own or carry the guns......

cars kill far more children than guns...do you want to ban cars with the same level of passion?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I got my first rifle the Christmas I turned 10 years old, as did most other kids back then. We used to get together a buck and half or so, go buy a box of 100 rounds of .22 shells at the convenience store, and bicycle out to the lake or out in the country to shoot at cans or whatever. Nobody ever died, not one, not even wounded, except for the bicycle wrecks, which caused a lot of injuries.

Shouldn't we ban bicycles?

And, I will add that our parents left their firearms wherever they felt like leaving them, and we knew not to touch them without permission, or anybody else's stuff, period, without asking, so the problem is obviously not anything but poor parenting and/or other issues, not the guns.

Obviously it is bad parenting. That doesnt help the dead kids though.What can be done to protect them better ?

"What can be done to protect them better ?"

You are now just Trolling your own thread which is what you always do.

We have already all commented on this, it is ridiculous to suggest that any Government can legislate against stupidity, it is not the responsibility of a Government to make legislation to tell people to have personal responsibility and use basic common sense.

He should just come out and say what we all know he's thinking....BAN GUNS!!!!

Well yes but that is not any of his business your American Constitution and your Second Amendment has nothing to do with him and is not any of his business as it does not affect him directly and you have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms and your very wise Founding Fathers made certain to include that your RIGHT to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED and to do so would be a direct violation of your American Constitution.

Wrong.

The Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, including the Second Amendment.

And that case law renders it settled and accepted that the Second Amendment right is not ‘unlimited,’ that government has the authority to place restrictions on the acquisition and possession of firearms, and that measures seeking to ensure public safety are consistent with the Second Amendment.

 

[2aguy]

Talladega 5-year-old dies after accidental shooting

So here we have another infant "accidentally" shot with a gun that he found in the home....How are kids protected against the stupidity of their parents ?

That's one part of the problem of gun-related deaths. It's not possible to protect kids when their parents callousness, insouciance, disinterest, etc. are the aids, abbetments and sources of danger to which children are exposed. Although no parent is required or expected to get everything right all the time, all parents are expected to make no decision so ill conceived, so inaptly executed, so negligent....so wrong that their kids cannot recover and nonetheless thrive in the wake of them.

Modern societies have implemented myriad implements that help keep kids safe from parental stupidity: child-resistant caps, interior trunk release pull cords, child safety seat laws, auto-stopping electric windows, myriad devices having auto-off functionality, etc. In spite of seeing value in having such things on the accoutrements of modern household life, the gun industry and society in general will broker no similar modes of precaution with regard to guns.

Insofar as there is no way to stop stupid parents from doing stupid things, kids will die. I have resigned myself to the fact that, at least at present, America, in general simply care that that happens. Accordingly, I don't really know why when it happens it even makes it into the news. What's the point? The U.S. had the Las Vegas shooting and the word form the WH was that then wasn't the time to talk about it. There was all that hoopla about bump stocks and where did that go?

Annually, kids die from their parents' careless gun handling/storage, and what's been done about it? Not even so much as a law holding parent criminally accountable for such negligent behavior. If not enough people care, why bother wasting time talking about it. Kids die because their parent mishandle guns. Get over it. That's the resonantly and immutably implicit message from the American electorate.

It certainly looks that way. Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

So one would think, but I can assure you the gun lobby doesn't agree, and the people who care more about their guns than do about kids being killed by guns owned by their parents agree with the gun lobby, and over the past 30 years or so, they've managed to convince Congress that they are right.

My phone switches off if I dont use it for 10 minutes. How difficult is that to implement and save 500 kids a year. They would do it if it made them more money.

It isn't close to 500 kids a year......its' 74......out of 60,975,065 in the U.S......


https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal.html

2016:


Accidental gun death <1 -14....74
gun murder <1 -14.....238

Vs.....drinking and driving deaths of kids...

Drinking deaths by kids....

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

 

[2aguy]

Talladega 5-year-old dies after accidental shooting

So here we have another infant "accidentally" shot with a gun that he found in the home....How are kids protected against the stupidity of their parents ?

That's one part of the problem of gun-related deaths. It's not possible to protect kids when their parents callousness, insouciance, disinterest, etc. are the aids, abbetments and sources of danger to which children are exposed. Although no parent is required or expected to get everything right all the time, all parents are expected to make no decision so ill conceived, so inaptly executed, so negligent....so wrong that their kids cannot recover and nonetheless thrive in the wake of them.

Modern societies have implemented myriad implements that help keep kids safe from parental stupidity: child-resistant caps, interior trunk release pull cords, child safety seat laws, auto-stopping electric windows, myriad devices having auto-off functionality, etc. In spite of seeing value in having such things on the accoutrements of modern household life, the gun industry and society in general will broker no similar modes of precaution with regard to guns.

Insofar as there is no way to stop stupid parents from doing stupid things, kids will die. I have resigned myself to the fact that, at least at present, America, in general simply care that that happens. Accordingly, I don't really know why when it happens it even makes it into the news. What's the point? The U.S. had the Las Vegas shooting and the word form the WH was that then wasn't the time to talk about it. There was all that hoopla about bump stocks and where did that go?

Annually, kids die from their parents' careless gun handling/storage, and what's been done about it? Not even so much as a law holding parent criminally accountable for such negligent behavior. If not enough people care, why bother wasting time talking about it. Kids die because their parent mishandle guns. Get over it. That's the resonantly and immutably implicit message from the American electorate.

It certainly looks that way. Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

So one would think, but I can assure you the gun lobby doesn't agree, and the people who care more about their guns than do about kids being killed by guns owned by their parents agree with the gun lobby, and over the past 30 years or so, they've managed to convince Congress that they are right.

My phone switches off if I dont use it for 10 minutes. How difficult is that to implement and save 500 kids a year. They would do it if it made them more money.

That's a good enough question, but I'm not the one you need to ask, and I have't got an answer other than "apparently so hard that the gun lobby isn't willing to require something(s) measurably effective be done to that end."

The NRA tries to teach gun safety to all kids....and people like you stop them from teaching gun safety to children in public schools.......the problem is you, not gun owners.

 

[2aguy]

We had guns in the house when I was growing up. My father had a "bullet trap" in the basement, for target practice with his pistol and rifle. He allowed me as a very young girl to pull the trigger as he aimed. He kept his guns locked away in leather cases with padlocks on them, and only he had a key. He also taught me that no gun was ever to be aimed at any other living thing unless absolutely necessary for survival. He had no need to hunt, as he earned a salary and we had a grocery store available. He saw no glory in killing.

In this day, the possession of a gun is approached flippantly and irresponsibly. It's considered a matter of being "cool," accompanied by the absurd idea that we all live in a crime-ridden society in which jackals will be climbing in through the living room windows at any moment, like some old black-and-white horror movie. So go join some raggamuffin "militia", otherwise known as a gang, march around in cammies, spray your bullets around in the woods, and leave your gun on the coffee table, where your two-year-old can grab it. Our society is circling the drain.

Note to all: whether in greater New York, greater Little Rock, greater London, greater Liverpool, ghoulies are not coming through the transom. There is no reason that parents should use this totally irrational fear as an excuse for endangering their children. If you have a reason to own a gun, handle it as one would a bomb liable to go off in your child's hand.

You don't know what you are talking about....there are close to 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

How many children die from accidental gun discharge? 74.

More kids die from drowning, cars and suffocation accidents....

And of those, there is a sizable number where the real culprit is a criminal for a parent, who leaves an illegal gun where it can be found...not normal, law abiding gun owners.....

 

[2aguy]

And, I will add that our parents left their firearms wherever they felt like leaving them, and we knew not to touch them without permission, or anybody else's stuff, period, without asking, so the problem is obviously not anything but poor parenting and/or other issues, not the guns.

Obviously it is bad parenting. That doesnt help the dead kids though.What can be done to protect them better ?

"What can be done to protect them better ?"

You are now just Trolling your own thread which is what you always do.

We have already all commented on this, it is ridiculous to suggest that any Government can legislate against stupidity, it is not the responsibility of a Government to make legislation to tell people to have personal responsibility and use basic common sense.

He should just come out and say what we all know he's thinking....BAN GUNS!!!!

Well yes but that is not any of his business your American Constitution and your Second Amendment has nothing to do with him and is not any of his business as it does not affect him directly and you have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms and your very wise Founding Fathers made certain to include that your RIGHT to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED and to do so would be a direct violation of your American Constitution.

Wrong.

The Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, including the Second Amendment.

And that case law renders it settled and accepted that the Second Amendment right is not ‘unlimited,’ that government has the authority to place restrictions on the acquisition and possession of firearms, and that measures seeking to ensure public safety are consistent with the Second Amendment.

Yes....but you leave so much out...such as the authority is essentially against felons and the dangerously mentally ill...while...

Heller:

We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

-----

In Muscarello v. United States, 524 U. S. 125 (1998), in the course of analyzing the meaning of “carries a firearm” in a federal criminal statute, JUSTICE GINSBURG wrote that “urely a most familiar meaning is, as the Constitution’s Second Amendment . . . indicate: ‘wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.’” I

 

[2aguy]

Talladega 5-year-old dies after accidental shooting

So here we have another infant "accidentally" shot with a gun that he found in the home.


Police responded to a scene at 7:30 a.m. to find the boy suffering from a single gunshot wound, according to the officials. They sent the child to Citizen's Brookwood/Baptist Medical Center where he was pronounced dead around 8:30 a.m.

On Friday, Busby identified the victim as Michael Swain, Jr. Swain was found to have accidentally shot himself with a handgun he found in the home.

So this isnt gang related or drug related. No criminal activity at all apart from the gross negligence of the parents.

And yet this happens every day.

Are there any laws to protect Michael and the hundreds of other victims ? Are you required by law to keep your guns in a safe place ?

How are kids protected against the stupidity of their parents ?

An extremely high percentage of parents in this country are extremely ignorant. This is a product of our culture or lack of it. I'm sure the parents of this dead child are screaming that is it not their fault. I'm sure today's society will for give them put them in therapy and give them a few more changes to kill their offspring.

It is the American way,

Its not an american thing. There are bad parents the world over.Its just that the availability of guns makes for tragic outcomes in the US.

The percentage of parents in the US deemed irresponsible by societies standards has grown dramatically over time, and societies standards for being considers good parents have diminished over time.

So you tell me, it is the fault of the gun,

It is collective guilt. As you can see on this thread that people do not care as long as it is not their own kids getting shot.
Guns could be made safer and small changes could be made to the way guns are sold and stored. But people dont seem to want to protect kids.

The politicians dont give a toss because they are all on the NRA payroll.

1300 kids die from guns every year - "nothing can be done"
15 people killed by isis in the US last year - Its a different story.

It defies rational analysis.

Wrong.....this is the actual number......ages <1 to age 14......I stop there because 15 and up includes too many "kids" who are hard core gang members...

Total number of kids accidentally killed or murdered with guns...322.....


https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal.html

2016:


Accidental gun death <1 -14....74
gun murder <1 -14.....238

For comparison...accidental suffocation death of kids..... under age 1?

2016

Age by year:


<1.......

Suffocation....1,023

So you see why your false emotion has no impact on us?

Drowning...

Drowning: 713

<1.....38
1-4....425
5-9.....147
10-14..103

traffic

Traffic: 1,261

<1........88
1-4.......334
5-9........384
10-14.....455

 

[flacaltenn]

There is a law for that. It is called Child endangerment. Anyone in America should be able to have a gun but if you leave a loaded, unlocked gun in your house and a kid is injured or killed, the gun owner should be charged with Child endangerment or involuntary manslaughter IMO.

What makes you think they can't be charged with some of those NOW??? They can be.. But usually the kid has to take the weapon out of the house or out of possession of the owner...

 

[KeiserC]

Now you want to outlaw stupidity?

How about outlawing the stupidity of not making kids wear seatbelts while riding in a car?

the stupidity of driving drunk, while kids are in the car?

the stupidity of allowing kids to go swimming without adult supervision?

or a thousand other ways adults show their stupidity in regards to kids?

I am asking questions in the CDZ in the hope it can be discussed in an adult way.

that's what the CDZ is for.

Cars, drunk drivers, swimming pools, are more dangerous than guns to children.

That's why I brought them up

Perhaps they deserve their own threads ?
This one is about the danger of guns in the home.

More legislation is obviously the answer... legislate responsibility and safety for all....

 

[Picaro]

Talladega 5-year-old dies after accidental shooting

So here we have another infant "accidentally" shot with a gun that he found in the home....How are kids protected against the stupidity of their parents ?

That's one part of the problem of gun-related deaths. It's not possible to protect kids when their parents callousness, insouciance, disinterest, etc. are the aids, abbetments and sources of danger to which children are exposed. Although no parent is required or expected to get everything right all the time, all parents are expected to make no decision so ill conceived, so inaptly executed, so negligent....so wrong that their kids cannot recover and nonetheless thrive in the wake of them.

Modern societies have implemented myriad implements that help keep kids safe from parental stupidity: child-resistant caps, interior trunk release pull cords, child safety seat laws, auto-stopping electric windows, myriad devices having auto-off functionality, etc. In spite of seeing value in having such things on the accoutrements of modern household life, the gun industry and society in general will broker no similar modes of precaution with regard to guns.

Insofar as there is no way to stop stupid parents from doing stupid things, kids will die. I have resigned myself to the fact that, at least at present, America, in general simply care that that happens. Accordingly, I don't really know why when it happens it even makes it into the news. What's the point? The U.S. had the Las Vegas shooting and the word form the WH was that then wasn't the time to talk about it. There was all that hoopla about bump stocks and where did that go?

Annually, kids die from their parents' careless gun handling/storage, and what's been done about it? Not even so much as a law holding parent criminally accountable for such negligent behavior. If not enough people care, why bother wasting time talking about it. Kids die because their parent mishandle guns. Get over it. That's the resonantly and immutably implicit message from the American electorate.

It certainly looks that way. Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

Technology should make it possible to make guns safe when not in use. This would ensure that even the most stupid parents have a safety net.

So one would think, but I can assure you the gun lobby doesn't agree, and the people who care more about their guns than do about kids being killed by guns owned by their parents agree with the gun lobby, and over the past 30 years or so, they've managed to convince Congress that they are right.

My phone switches off if I dont use it for 10 minutes. How difficult is that to implement and save 500 kids a year. They would do it if it made them more money.

It isn't close to 500 kids a year......its' 74......out of 60,975,065 in the U.S......

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016:


Accidental gun death <1 -14....74
gun murder <1 -14.....238

Vs.....drinking and driving deaths of kids...

Drinking deaths by kids....

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

they aren't interested in facts, it's about disarming white proles, it's about racism, while egging on black and latino cop killers, mass murders of 10's of millions of babies, knee jerk political mau-mauing of white voters, etc. These deviants know all the stats, they know they're merely spouting rubbish, they're just interested in gaining support from the stupid and clueless for their agendas, that all. It's the same old Gramscian Marxist kulturekampf they follow on literally every issue. They make up false moral equivalencies and relativist rubbish and attempt semantic confusion.

 

[Lysistrata]

We had guns in the house when I was growing up. My father had a "bullet trap" in the basement, for target practice with his pistol and rifle. He allowed me as a very young girl to pull the trigger as he aimed. He kept his guns locked away in leather cases with padlocks on them, and only he had a key. He also taught me that no gun was ever to be aimed at any other living thing unless absolutely necessary for survival. He had no need to hunt, as he earned a salary and we had a grocery store available. He saw no glory in killing.

In this day, the possession of a gun is approached flippantly and irresponsibly. It's considered a matter of being "cool," accompanied by the absurd idea that we all live in a crime-ridden society in which jackals will be climbing in through the living room windows at any moment, like some old black-and-white horror movie. So go join some raggamuffin "militia", otherwise known as a gang, march around in cammies, spray your bullets around in the woods, and leave your gun on the coffee table, where your two-year-old can grab it. Our society is circling the drain.

Note to all: whether in greater New York, greater Little Rock, greater London, greater Liverpool, ghoulies are not coming through the transom. There is no reason that parents should use this totally irrational fear as an excuse for endangering their children. If you have a reason to own a gun, handle it as one would a bomb liable to go off in your child's hand.

You don't know what you are talking about....there are close to 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

How many children die from accidental gun discharge? 74.

More kids die from drowning, cars and suffocation accidents....

And of those, there is a sizable number where the real culprit is a criminal for a parent, who leaves an illegal gun where it can be found...not normal, law abiding gun owners.....

Why are you pushing this atmosphere of paranoia? There is no one "coming for us," invading. Who is pushing this lie that we all have to be very, very afraid? I was raised with guns in the house, as I said, but that was before this paranoid nonsense started. Who is responsible for this? Who is responsible for this crap that someone is coming for us in our houses or that the white gangs laughably known as "militias" need to exist so that they can go play army in the woods?

 

[KeiserC]

We had guns in the house when I was growing up. My father had a "bullet trap" in the basement, for target practice with his pistol and rifle. He allowed me as a very young girl to pull the trigger as he aimed. He kept his guns locked away in leather cases with padlocks on them, and only he had a key. He also taught me that no gun was ever to be aimed at any other living thing unless absolutely necessary for survival. He had no need to hunt, as he earned a salary and we had a grocery store available. He saw no glory in killing.

In this day, the possession of a gun is approached flippantly and irresponsibly. It's considered a matter of being "cool," accompanied by the absurd idea that we all live in a crime-ridden society in which jackals will be climbing in through the living room windows at any moment, like some old black-and-white horror movie. So go join some raggamuffin "militia", otherwise known as a gang, march around in cammies, spray your bullets around in the woods, and leave your gun on the coffee table, where your two-year-old can grab it. Our society is circling the drain.

Note to all: whether in greater New York, greater Little Rock, greater London, greater Liverpool, ghoulies are not coming through the transom. There is no reason that parents should use this totally irrational fear as an excuse for endangering their children. If you have a reason to own a gun, handle it as one would a bomb liable to go off in your child's hand.

You don't know what you are talking about....there are close to 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

How many children die from accidental gun discharge? 74.

More kids die from drowning, cars and suffocation accidents....

And of those, there is a sizable number where the real culprit is a criminal for a parent, who leaves an illegal gun where it can be found...not normal, law abiding gun owners.....

Why are you pushing this atmosphere of paranoia? There is no one "coming for us," invading. Who is pushing this lie that we all have to be very, very afraid? I was raised with guns in the house, as I said, but that was before this paranoid nonsense started. Who is responsible for this? Who is responsible for this crap that someone is coming for us in our houses or that the white gangs laughably known as "militias" need to exist so that they can go play army in the woods?

I agree... we're so much more societally evolved since the 'Wiemar Republic'... Open your eyes...

 

[Lysistrata]

We had guns in the house when I was growing up. My father had a "bullet trap" in the basement, for target practice with his pistol and rifle. He allowed me as a very young girl to pull the trigger as he aimed. He kept his guns locked away in leather cases with padlocks on them, and only he had a key. He also taught me that no gun was ever to be aimed at any other living thing unless absolutely necessary for survival. He had no need to hunt, as he earned a salary and we had a grocery store available. He saw no glory in killing.

In this day, the possession of a gun is approached flippantly and irresponsibly. It's considered a matter of being "cool," accompanied by the absurd idea that we all live in a crime-ridden society in which jackals will be climbing in through the living room windows at any moment, like some old black-and-white horror movie. So go join some raggamuffin "militia", otherwise known as a gang, march around in cammies, spray your bullets around in the woods, and leave your gun on the coffee table, where your two-year-old can grab it. Our society is circling the drain.

Note to all: whether in greater New York, greater Little Rock, greater London, greater Liverpool, ghoulies are not coming through the transom. There is no reason that parents should use this totally irrational fear as an excuse for endangering their children. If you have a reason to own a gun, handle it as one would a bomb liable to go off in your child's hand.

You don't know what you are talking about....there are close to 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

How many children die from accidental gun discharge? 74.

More kids die from drowning, cars and suffocation accidents....

And of those, there is a sizable number where the real culprit is a criminal for a parent, who leaves an illegal gun where it can be found...not normal, law abiding gun owners.....

Why are you pushing this atmosphere of paranoia? There is no one "coming for us," invading. Who is pushing this lie that we all have to be very, very afraid? I was raised with guns in the house, as I said, but that was before this paranoid nonsense started. Who is responsible for this? Who is responsible for this crap that someone is coming for us in our houses or that the white gangs laughably known as "militias" need to exist so that they can go play army in the woods?

I agree... we're so much more societally evolved since the 'Wiemar Republic'... Open your eyes...

Open my eyes to exactly what???

 

[KeiserC]

We had guns in the house when I was growing up. My father had a "bullet trap" in the basement, for target practice with his pistol and rifle. He allowed me as a very young girl to pull the trigger as he aimed. He kept his guns locked away in leather cases with padlocks on them, and only he had a key. He also taught me that no gun was ever to be aimed at any other living thing unless absolutely necessary for survival. He had no need to hunt, as he earned a salary and we had a grocery store available. He saw no glory in killing.

In this day, the possession of a gun is approached flippantly and irresponsibly. It's considered a matter of being "cool," accompanied by the absurd idea that we all live in a crime-ridden society in which jackals will be climbing in through the living room windows at any moment, like some old black-and-white horror movie. So go join some raggamuffin "militia", otherwise known as a gang, march around in cammies, spray your bullets around in the woods, and leave your gun on the coffee table, where your two-year-old can grab it. Our society is circling the drain.

Note to all: whether in greater New York, greater Little Rock, greater London, greater Liverpool, ghoulies are not coming through the transom. There is no reason that parents should use this totally irrational fear as an excuse for endangering their children. If you have a reason to own a gun, handle it as one would a bomb liable to go off in your child's hand.

You don't know what you are talking about....there are close to 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

How many children die from accidental gun discharge? 74.

More kids die from drowning, cars and suffocation accidents....

And of those, there is a sizable number where the real culprit is a criminal for a parent, who leaves an illegal gun where it can be found...not normal, law abiding gun owners.....

Why are you pushing this atmosphere of paranoia? There is no one "coming for us," invading. Who is pushing this lie that we all have to be very, very afraid? I was raised with guns in the house, as I said, but that was before this paranoid nonsense started. Who is responsible for this? Who is responsible for this crap that someone is coming for us in our houses or that the white gangs laughably known as "militias" need to exist so that they can go play army in the woods?

I agree... we're so much more societally evolved since the 'Wiemar Republic'... Open your eyes...

Open my eyes to exactly what???

The ever waxing and waning balancing act of personal freedoms vs. Gov. regulation. Tipping too far in either direction is likely to our detriment.

 

[Picaro]

The giant elephant in the room for the Commie puppets is that most of the firearms crime isn't committed by those evul white NRA members and white people out in the Burbs, but in black and latino shitholes, and by thugs who could care less about gun laws or parenting. Somehow the NRA is responsible, and again it's assumed they're all white people, which is to be expected from the racists that make up the left these days.

 

[Lysistrata]

We had guns in the house when I was growing up. My father had a "bullet trap" in the basement, for target practice with his pistol and rifle. He allowed me as a very young girl to pull the trigger as he aimed. He kept his guns locked away in leather cases with padlocks on them, and only he had a key. He also taught me that no gun was ever to be aimed at any other living thing unless absolutely necessary for survival. He had no need to hunt, as he earned a salary and we had a grocery store available. He saw no glory in killing.

In this day, the possession of a gun is approached flippantly and irresponsibly. It's considered a matter of being "cool," accompanied by the absurd idea that we all live in a crime-ridden society in which jackals will be climbing in through the living room windows at any moment, like some old black-and-white horror movie. So go join some raggamuffin "militia", otherwise known as a gang, march around in cammies, spray your bullets around in the woods, and leave your gun on the coffee table, where your two-year-old can grab it. Our society is circling the drain.

Note to all: whether in greater New York, greater Little Rock, greater London, greater Liverpool, ghoulies are not coming through the transom. There is no reason that parents should use this totally irrational fear as an excuse for endangering their children. If you have a reason to own a gun, handle it as one would a bomb liable to go off in your child's hand.

You don't know what you are talking about....there are close to 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

How many children die from accidental gun discharge? 74.

More kids die from drowning, cars and suffocation accidents....

And of those, there is a sizable number where the real culprit is a criminal for a parent, who leaves an illegal gun where it can be found...not normal, law abiding gun owners.....

Why are you pushing this atmosphere of paranoia? There is no one "coming for us," invading. Who is pushing this lie that we all have to be very, very afraid? I was raised with guns in the house, as I said, but that was before this paranoid nonsense started. Who is responsible for this? Who is responsible for this crap that someone is coming for us in our houses or that the white gangs laughably known as "militias" need to exist so that they can go play army in the woods?

I agree... we're so much more societally evolved since the 'Wiemar Republic'... Open your eyes...

Open my eyes to exactly what???

The ever waxing and waning balancing act of personal freedoms vs. Gov. regulation. Tipping too far in either direction is likely to our detriment.

Please tell this to state officials who pass draconian sectarian-religion-based laws aimed at propagandizing women about their reproductive choices. Government has been after female folks for quite some time now so that government can play "Big Daddy" against Americans.

 

[KeiserC]

You don't know what you are talking about....there are close to 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

How many children die from accidental gun discharge? 74.

More kids die from drowning, cars and suffocation accidents....

And of those, there is a sizable number where the real culprit is a criminal for a parent, who leaves an illegal gun where it can be found...not normal, law abiding gun owners.....

Why are you pushing this atmosphere of paranoia? There is no one "coming for us," invading. Who is pushing this lie that we all have to be very, very afraid? I was raised with guns in the house, as I said, but that was before this paranoid nonsense started. Who is responsible for this? Who is responsible for this crap that someone is coming for us in our houses or that the white gangs laughably known as "militias" need to exist so that they can go play army in the woods?

I agree... we're so much more societally evolved since the 'Wiemar Republic'... Open your eyes...

Open my eyes to exactly what???

The ever waxing and waning balancing act of personal freedoms vs. Gov. regulation. Tipping too far in either direction is likely to our detriment.

Please tell this to state officials who pass draconian sectarian-religion-based laws aimed at propagandizing women about their reproductive choices. Government has been after female folks for quite some time now so that government can play "Big Daddy" against Americans.

Sounds like your making a good case for Societal 'De-evolution'... since the "Wiemar Republic" days... I tend to agree.(generally speaking)

 

[Circe]

So you see why your false emotion has no impact on us?

We are being propagandized by a foreigner, people. This Tainant character --- not an American, people here are saying. Could be another Russian. Disarming America and/or causing us to fight each other is a major propaganda goal of a lot of governments, who hire people to do this. I suggest only debating issues with other Americans.