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Since you are spurning the work of the Lord and quenching the Spirit I'm going to put you on ignore. Plus I'm tired of the friendly fire. This thread is serious and real Christians believe in seeking the lost, not attacking other Christians. You seriously need to do some praying and humble yourself before God. In the mean time, I will not endure anymore of your abuse.I'm preaching the gospel on this thread.You're in a serious state of dIf you think that most teenaged boys do more than molest their 5 year old sister, then all I can say is that I am damned glad I didn't grow up in your neighborhood....
I'm defending forgiveness, something you spurn to the peril of your eternal soul.
Someday you are going to stand before the Almighty while every one of your sins is named. On that day you will be the recipient of the condemnation you now so gleefully dish out. Josh Duggars will go to heaven, his sins covered by the blood of Christ, but you will be condemned eternally because you thought gawking at the sins of others somehow absolved you of your own iniquity.
I wrote this thread to tell you it doesn't have to be that way. Repent and ask for forgiveness. I exhort you with all fervency to do this.
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Will you exhort your Pope and His Nuncio to ask fervently for forgiveness too? It doesn't appear either are willing to admit to the sexual abuse cover up of these boys in the Dominican Republic. Instead Pope Francis had his Nuncio whisked away to Rome to prevent him from standing trial. Now the Vatican announced quietly that they are going to indict the Nuncio and hear the trial themselves. Isn't that a conflict of interests and why did Pope Francis tell the world he would give no privileges to bishops and priests who molested children and then turn around and permit his own Nuncio to walk freely on the streets of Rome - it was reported by a bishop who saw him with his own eyes on Monday - he asked why was the Nuncio walking freely on the streets of Rome on Twitter on Monday.
Ravi is condemning paedophile crimes. There is nothing wrong with that. We should speak out against evil. Your Pope by his own actions is assisting His Nuncio in getting away with paedophile crimes. Furthermore he isn't protecting the children of Rome but is allowing his Nuncio to walk the streets of Rome freely when his own Vatican press reported the Nuncio was on house arrest.
Wesolowski s sexual victims give details to the NYT - DominicanToday.com
Will you exhort your Pope and His Nuncio to ask fervently for forgiveness too? It doesn't appear either are willing to admit to the sexual abuse cover up of these boys in the Dominican Republic. Instead Pope Francis had his Nuncio whisked away to Rome to prevent him from standing trial. Now the Vatican announced quietly that they are going to indict the Nuncio and hear the trial themselves. Isn't that a conflict of interests and why did Pope Francis tell the world he would give no privileges to bishops and priests who molested children and then turn around and permit his own Nuncio to walk freely on the streets of Rome - it was reported by a bishop who saw him with his own eyes on Monday - he asked why was the Nuncio walking freely on the streets of Rome on Twitter on Monday.
Ravi is condemning paedophile crimes. There is nothing wrong with that. We should speak out against evil. Your Pope by his own actions is assisting His Nuncio in getting away with paedophile crimes. Furthermore he isn't protecting the children of Rome but is allowing his Nuncio to walk the streets of Rome freely when his own Vatican press reported the Nuncio was on house arrest.
Wesolowski s sexual victims give details to the NYT - DominicanToday.com
What are you doing?
Confronting your hypocrisy. You are not preaching the Gospel, Michael. The Jesus of Catholicism is not the Jesus of the King James Bible. It is another false Christ. The Bible tells us there would be many false prophets that would come preaching another Christ. That is what you are doing. It's very deceptive. You won't listen - I can already see that - but for the sake of others, I believe the right thing to do is point it out and expose what you are doing here.
Btw I've defended people far worse than Josh Duggar. One of the realities of being a defense attorney.
You guys think I should.be ashamed of that. I don't. Christ defends all sinners. We should take a page from his book and seek to heal both victims and sinners. Because sooner or later we will be the sinners. And because quite frankly this world needs the light and healing of the atonement.
You a defense attorney?
You have never posted anything that would indicate any knowledge of the law. In fact, the only law you seem to know about is your own cult's.
How does your god feel about you lying?
Who's protecting him? This thread is about the forgiveness he received from God after repenting, the same forgiveness that's available to you. You are guilty in the eyes of the Lord like everyone else and pointing the finger at others won't conceal your own iniquity. Please repent and be saved. Jesus paid a high price to offer you forgiveness and offer it for free. All you have to do is say yes.I'm defending forgiveness, something you spurn to the peril of your eternal soul.I love watching you fundies argue.You clearly missed the fact that I said people who disagree with some things the Catholic Church teaches are NOT mentally ill, only a raving bigot like you are. I stated this contrasting normal Evangelicals and you with devastating accuracy. Of course you missed it even though it constituted the bulk of my post. You miss a lot.I was sincere! Very! I still am! I'm sorry that my post upset you, Michael. Your OP led me to believe you had become a born again Christian. When I became a born again Christian I knew I could have nothing to do with Catholicism. I won't apologize for my statements about Catholicism because I cannot apologize for the truth but I in no way meant to personally attack you or harm you. In reading your response I want to point out to you that people who disagree with Catholicism are not mentally ill. If you are going to accuse every person of mental illness who disagrees with Catholicism you will have to accuse Jesus Christ of mental illness because His Word does not agree with Catholicism either. I wish God's best for your life. - Jeri
But that doesn't change the Fact that you are defending a pedo.
Someday you are going to stand before the Almighty while every one of your sins is named. On that day you will be the recipient of the condemnation you now so gleefully dish out. Josh Duggars will go to heaven, his sins covered by the blood of Christ, but you will be condemned eternally because you thought gawking at the sins of others somehow absolved you of your own iniquity.
I wrote this thread to tell you it doesn't have to be that way. Repent and ask for forgiveness. I exhort you with all fervency to do this.
Every Christian should be telling you this. I'm sorry if I'm the only one.
I exhort you with all fervency to do this.™
Does that come with a jingle?
Only in the very dark place that is christian fundamentalism is the child molestor to be protected.
Btw I've defended people far worse than Josh Duggar. One of the realities of being a defense attorney.
You guys think I should.be ashamed of that. I don't. Christ defends all sinners. We should take a page from his book and seek to heal both victims and sinners. Because sooner or later we will be the sinners. And because quite frankly this world needs the light and healing of the atonement.
You a defense attorney?
You have never posted anything that would indicate any knowledge of the law. In fact, the only law you seem to know about is your own cult's.
How does your god feel about you lying?
I'm sure he would be upset if I was lying.
Considering we had a discussion about this before, you have a bad memory.
Are you insane? Completely out of touch with reality? Most teenage boys DO NOT do what Josh Duggar did to young children. Only a very sick young man would do such a thing to any child, younger then himself or not. Molesting young girls is not part of adolescence or teenage....no, not ever--unless you are warped, as Duggar seems to be.In the interview given by his parents, he did get professional counseling as did the sisters an other girl not named. Beyond that he was taken from the home to spend some time in a rehab type program then after that he was taken to police and confessed what he did as well. How much more should a boy who was 14 at the time pay for what he did? In the scheme of things I think most teen boys try to do a lot more than what he did on girls as under age as himself wasI'm glad that Jesus has forgiven Duggar.
I'm not Jesus.
I'd like to see him wear the label of "child molester" for the rest of his life, like anyone else who has been convicted of the crime. That would include his registering his address within every municipality and state in which he resides.I'm still wondering why people are claiming that Jesus has forgiven him.
What I was taught is that you must repent if you want forgiveness. I have seen no repenting but rather a years long cover up. That also applies to the parents.
he needs professional help, not just 'forgiveness' from like-minded enablers...
Btw I've defended people far worse than Josh Duggar. One of the realities of being a defense attorney.
You guys think I should.be ashamed of that. I don't. Christ defends all sinners. We should take a page from his book and seek to heal both victims and sinners. Because sooner or later we will be the sinners. And because quite frankly this world needs the light and healing of the atonement.
You a defense attorney?
You have never posted anything that would indicate any knowledge of the law. In fact, the only law you seem to know about is your own cult's.
How does your god feel about you lying?
I'm sure he would be upset if I was lying.
Considering we had a discussion about this before, you have a bad memory.
If you've defended paedophiles, Avatar, that you knew were guilty? You have partaken in their sin by defending them in a courtroom. The Bible explicitly tells us not to call evil good or good evil. That you could say that to Luddly and not feel any shame about it? Tells me you are in serious trouble and do not even realize it.
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The teaching of venial and mortal sin is a man made teaching that is found nowhere in the bible. !
Btw I've defended people far worse than Josh Duggar. One of the realities of being a defense attorney.
You guys think I should.be ashamed of that. I don't. Christ defends all sinners. We should take a page from his book and seek to heal both victims and sinners. Because sooner or later we will be the sinners. And because quite frankly this world needs the light and healing of the atonement.
You a defense attorney?
You have never posted anything that would indicate any knowledge of the law. In fact, the only law you seem to know about is your own cult's.
How does your god feel about you lying?
I'm sure he would be upset if I was lying.
Considering we had a discussion about this before, you have a bad memory.
If you've defended paedophiles, Avatar, that you knew were guilty? You have partaken in their sin by defending them in a courtroom. The Bible explicitly tells us not to call evil good or good evil. That you could say that to Luddly and not feel any shame about it? Tells me you are in serious trouble and do not even realize it.
Why should I feel shame for doing what Christ does? He is our advocate with the Father. He loves us despite us being sinners who often do horrible things. He defends us to the point that He bled for us.
Are you a Christian and not realizing that? He died for you, for me, and even for pedohiles. He died for everyone. Every single one of us.
If he was willing to die to give even the most vile of us a chance to change, who am I to not live to do the same?
Who's protecting him? This thread is about the forgiveness he received from God after repenting, the same forgiveness that's available to you. You are guilty in the eyes of the Lord like everyone else and pointing the finger at others won't conceal your own iniquity. Please repent and be saved. Jesus paid a high price to offer you forgiveness and offer it for free. All you have to do is say yes.I'm defending forgiveness, something you spurn to the peril of your eternal soul.I love watching you fundies argue.You clearly missed the fact that I said people who disagree with some things the Catholic Church teaches are NOT mentally ill, only a raving bigot like you are. I stated this contrasting normal Evangelicals and you with devastating accuracy. Of course you missed it even though it constituted the bulk of my post. You miss a lot.
But that doesn't change the Fact that you are defending a pedo.
Someday you are going to stand before the Almighty while every one of your sins is named. On that day you will be the recipient of the condemnation you now so gleefully dish out. Josh Duggars will go to heaven, his sins covered by the blood of Christ, but you will be condemned eternally because you thought gawking at the sins of others somehow absolved you of your own iniquity.
I wrote this thread to tell you it doesn't have to be that way. Repent and ask for forgiveness. I exhort you with all fervency to do this.
Every Christian should be telling you this. I'm sorry if I'm the only one.
I exhort you with all fervency to do this.™
Does that come with a jingle?
Only in the very dark place that is christian fundamentalism is the child molestor to be protected.
How do you know he repented? He can show signs of repentance but you can't say for sure whether he has or not. It is in your heart you repent and only God can read the heart.
Who's protecting him? This thread is about the forgiveness he received from God after repenting, the same forgiveness that's available to you. You are guilty in the eyes of the Lord like everyone else and pointing the finger at others won't conceal your own iniquity. Please repent and be saved. Jesus paid a high price to offer you forgiveness and offer it for free. All you have to do is say yes.I'm defending forgiveness, something you spurn to the peril of your eternal soul.I love watching you fundies argue.
But that doesn't change the Fact that you are defending a pedo.
Someday you are going to stand before the Almighty while every one of your sins is named. On that day you will be the recipient of the condemnation you now so gleefully dish out. Josh Duggars will go to heaven, his sins covered by the blood of Christ, but you will be condemned eternally because you thought gawking at the sins of others somehow absolved you of your own iniquity.
I wrote this thread to tell you it doesn't have to be that way. Repent and ask for forgiveness. I exhort you with all fervency to do this.
Every Christian should be telling you this. I'm sorry if I'm the only one.
I exhort you with all fervency to do this.™
Does that come with a jingle?
Only in the very dark place that is christian fundamentalism is the child molestor to be protected.
How do you know he repented? He can show signs of repentance but you can't say for sure whether he has or not. It is in your heart you repent and only God can read the heart.
His testimony. It's a Christian thing, you wouldn't understand.
I'm not an American so I prefer not to be lumped within a camp of liberal or conservative.
Child abuse is a crime and should be treated as such. When a person who is guilty of such crimes takes to the podium to accuse an entire group of people (gays) of being pedos, when he in fact showed those tendencies, it is called projecting. When he uses his family and their stage to do this, it is just mental.
It seems to me that within the family's circle too many are sexually deviant (evidenced by the state trooper that they went to doing time for child pornos and the center he went to being run by a sexual abuser who has also has had to step down). In fact the father said as much in his interview.
The measures they introduced to protect their daughters, basically making them mistrust men and boys, reveals to me how poorly they dealt with this issue. They are raising a new generation of girls who fear all men, even their own flesh and blood. That is insane.
This family covered up a serious issue, swept it under the rug and acted like seeking God would be the solution to a mental health issue. It isn't and that is why there are proper ways to deal with this. They failed the victims and their son too.
This has nothing to do with religion or politics but law - and there is a reason for that. I am shocked that homeschoolers and other extreme groups can skirt the law as they did and get away with it, all the while enjoying a stage to propagate hate and judge innocent people as being immoral.
It stinks to high heaven.
Who's protecting him? This thread is about the forgiveness he received from God after repenting, the same forgiveness that's available to you. You are guilty in the eyes of the Lord like everyone else and pointing the finger at others won't conceal your own iniquity. Please repent and be saved. Jesus paid a high price to offer you forgiveness and offer it for free. All you have to do is say yes.I'm defending forgiveness, something you spurn to the peril of your eternal soul.I love watching you fundies argue.
But that doesn't change the Fact that you are defending a pedo.
Someday you are going to stand before the Almighty while every one of your sins is named. On that day you will be the recipient of the condemnation you now so gleefully dish out. Josh Duggars will go to heaven, his sins covered by the blood of Christ, but you will be condemned eternally because you thought gawking at the sins of others somehow absolved you of your own iniquity.
I wrote this thread to tell you it doesn't have to be that way. Repent and ask for forgiveness. I exhort you with all fervency to do this.
Every Christian should be telling you this. I'm sorry if I'm the only one.
I exhort you with all fervency to do this.™
Does that come with a jingle?
Only in the very dark place that is christian fundamentalism is the child molestor to be protected.
How do you know he repented? He can show signs of repentance but you can't say for sure whether he has or not. It is in your heart you repent and only God can read the heart.
His testimony. It's a Christian thing, you wouldn't understand.
So after commenting on this story numerous times, yesterday morning I finally went to a few Duggar websites. They really are extremely wrapped up politically. A background video of Donald Trumps voice came up on one site, took awhile to find where to shut him up. Add a reality tv show and hmmm. I hate politics so I tend to ignore it as much as possible.
Plus Ill always, ALWAYS stand by Christs message of grace and forgiveness and its availability to all. Don't care what anyone thinks.
But ya, with all their political ties, doubtful this is about a family who made a series of serious mistakes, looks more like a group of people with an agenda.
Who's protecting him? This thread is about the forgiveness he received from God after repenting, the same forgiveness that's available to you. You are guilty in the eyes of the Lord like everyone else and pointing the finger at others won't conceal your own iniquity. Please repent and be saved. Jesus paid a high price to offer you forgiveness and offer it for free. All you have to do is say yes.I'm defending forgiveness, something you spurn to the peril of your eternal soul.
Someday you are going to stand before the Almighty while every one of your sins is named. On that day you will be the recipient of the condemnation you now so gleefully dish out. Josh Duggars will go to heaven, his sins covered by the blood of Christ, but you will be condemned eternally because you thought gawking at the sins of others somehow absolved you of your own iniquity.
I wrote this thread to tell you it doesn't have to be that way. Repent and ask for forgiveness. I exhort you with all fervency to do this.
Every Christian should be telling you this. I'm sorry if I'm the only one.
I exhort you with all fervency to do this.™
Does that come with a jingle?
Only in the very dark place that is christian fundamentalism is the child molestor to be protected.
How do you know he repented? He can show signs of repentance but you can't say for sure whether he has or not. It is in your heart you repent and only God can read the heart.
His testimony. It's a Christian thing, you wouldn't understand.
I completely agree with you .
...but what if its all politically motivated.
If you are the father of 4 children, I sure do hope no one molests your kids...but in the meantime, you have no idea how it feels to have your child molested and you have no idea how the child feels. Molesting someone is not a mistake. A 14 year old knows it is wrong. I'll bet you are all in favor of a 14 year old murderer being tried and sentenced as an adult (unless he/she comes from a right wing Christian family). A 14 year old knows right from wrong.I'm not an American so I prefer not to be lumped within a camp of liberal or conservative.
Child abuse is a crime and should be treated as such. When a person who is guilty of such crimes takes to the podium to accuse an entire group of people (gays) of being pedos, when he in fact showed those tendencies, it is called projecting. When he uses his family and their stage to do this, it is just mental.
It seems to me that within the family's circle too many are sexually deviant (evidenced by the state trooper that they went to doing time for child pornos and the center he went to being run by a sexual abuser who has also has had to step down). In fact the father said as much in his interview.
The measures they introduced to protect their daughters, basically making them mistrust men and boys, reveals to me how poorly they dealt with this issue. They are raising a new generation of girls who fear all men, even their own flesh and blood. That is insane.
This family covered up a serious issue, swept it under the rug and acted like seeking God would be the solution to a mental health issue. It isn't and that is why there are proper ways to deal with this. They failed the victims and their son too.
This has nothing to do with religion or politics but law - and there is a reason for that. I am shocked that homeschoolers and other extreme groups can skirt the law as they did and get away with it, all the while enjoying a stage to propagate hate and judge innocent people as being immoral.
It stinks to high heaven.
Your ignorant post stinks to high heaven, especially the part where you diagnosed him with an ongoing mental illness when in fact he just made a mistake as a child and shows no signs of it continuing into adulthood. And the family handled it just fine, just like any of you hypocrites who, if you had this happening among your own children, would likely seek resolution through counseling as well. That's what's so enraging about this, the hypocrisy of you Leftists (you're lumped in) pretending that you would have done differently if it were your children. As a father of 4 beautiful children, I gotta say.....
Bullshit!
1 in 3 girls are molested as a child and 1 in 4 boys. Yes it's that common....If you are the father of 4 children, I sure do hope no one molests your kids...but in the meantime, you have no idea how it feels to have your child molested and you have no idea how the child feels. Molesting someone is not a mistake. A 14 year old knows it is wrong. I'll bet you are all in favor of a 14 year old murderer being tried and sentenced as an adult. A 14 year old knows right from wrong.I'm not an American so I prefer not to be lumped within a camp of liberal or conservative.
Child abuse is a crime and should be treated as such. When a person who is guilty of such crimes takes to the podium to accuse an entire group of people (gays) of being pedos, when he in fact showed those tendencies, it is called projecting. When he uses his family and their stage to do this, it is just mental.
It seems to me that within the family's circle too many are sexually deviant (evidenced by the state trooper that they went to doing time for child pornos and the center he went to being run by a sexual abuser who has also has had to step down). In fact the father said as much in his interview.
The measures they introduced to protect their daughters, basically making them mistrust men and boys, reveals to me how poorly they dealt with this issue. They are raising a new generation of girls who fear all men, even their own flesh and blood. That is insane.
This family covered up a serious issue, swept it under the rug and acted like seeking God would be the solution to a mental health issue. It isn't and that is why there are proper ways to deal with this. They failed the victims and their son too.
This has nothing to do with religion or politics but law - and there is a reason for that. I am shocked that homeschoolers and other extreme groups can skirt the law as they did and get away with it, all the while enjoying a stage to propagate hate and judge innocent people as being immoral.
It stinks to high heaven.
Your ignorant post stinks to high heaven, especially the part where you diagnosed him with an ongoing mental illness when in fact he just made a mistake as a child and shows no signs of it continuing into adulthood. And the family handled it just fine, just like any of you hypocrites who, if you had this happening among your own children, would likely seek resolution through counseling as well. That's what's so enraging about this, the hypocrisy of you Leftists (you're lumped in) pretending that you would have done differently if it were your children. As a father of 4 beautiful children, I gotta say.....
Bullshit!
