Joe Biden Flipping Out Over Losing to President Trump in the Polls – Democrats Losing Patience with Flailing Old Joe

[Godboy]

Especially stupid people have been saying the Palestinians alone started the conflict. In reality the conflict has been going on for decades. Both sides have committed atrocities. Of course blaming Palestinian children is idiotic.

An Interview with Benny Morris

Survival of the Fittest?

www.counterpunch.org

Testimonies from the censored Deir Yassin massacre: 'They piled bodies and burned them'

A young fellow tied to a tree and set on fire. A woman and an old man shot in back. Girls lined up against a wall and shot with a submachine gun. The testimonies collected by filmmaker Neta Shoshani about the massacre in Deir Yassin are difficult to process even 70 years after the fact

www.haaretz.com

The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

An American lawyer reviews the Adalah list of 50 discriminatory laws inside Israel and finds that they create an unequal, and sometimes separate, status for Palestinians and Jews…

mondoweiss.net

Begin’s Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars

July/August 1994, Page 73 Middle East History: It Happened in August Begin's Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars By Donald Neff It was 12 years ago when Prime Minister Menachem Beg

www.wrmea.org

As war rages in Gaza, Israeli settlers drive a new wave of anti-Palestinian violence

At least 132 Palestinians have been killed by security forces and settlers in the past three weeks, according to the U.N. In 2022, 158 Palestinians were killed there.

www.nbcnews.com

I dont give a shit about anything before October 7th. On that day the peace was broken by the Palestinians.

 

[Meister]

Hardly, sweet cheeks.

Well, with this irrefutable evidence that you just provided....I guess you're right, according to your imagination.

 

[Blaster]

I'm thinking his handlers are experiencing their own bloodbath by Biden and they're sick of it. That's why they're leaking this information. Biden knows he's going to lose to Trump and since he's never admitted to taking responsibility for anything, in his dementia mind, it's other people's fault.

REPORT: Joe Biden Flipping Out Over Losing to President Trump in the Polls - Democrats Losing Patience with Flailing Old Joe | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

Joe Biden is flipping out over polling showing him losing to President Trump, and Democrats are losing patience with the flailing candidate as well.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Poor Joe is sinking deeper into dementia.

 

[Richard-H]

Can we agree that the Israelis have committed far more massive atrocities, like the one that is going on right now?

The Palestinians start the wars, and they lose. The losers in any war suffer more than the winners.

If the Palestinians do not want to suffer atrocities, then they should stop making war against Israel.

It was the Gaza Palestinians that started the current war. They are paying the price.

Somehow, when Palestinians start wars and commit atrocities against Israelis, your O.K. with that, but when the Israelis respond in kind you're suddenly upsetabout it.

You suffer from asymmetric morality.

 

[bendog]

The Palestinians start the wars, and they lose. The losers in any war suffer more than the winners.

If the Palestinians do not want to suffer atrocities, then they should stop making war against Israel.

It was the Gaza Palestinians that started the current war. They are paying the price.

Somehow, when Palestinians start wars and commit atrocities against Israelis, your O.K. with that, but when the Israelis respond in kind you're suddenly upsetabout it.

You suffer from asymmetric morality.

But isn't asymetric morality precisely what Sholtz and Biden are warning Israel not to do? There are something like 4 brigades of Hamas in Raffa (I don't like military terms for hamas, so I'll go with 4 bands of murderous criminals) Sholtz and Biden never said Isreal shouldn't be free to kill every mother's son of them .... even if doing so will create more terrorists.

And therein likes Scholtz and Biden's warnings. Kill them, but allow women and children to evacuate first .... and the men can come out too if they come out unarmed and hands up. Though arrest is always possible.

 

[Richard-H]

Because only the truly naive believe that is possible Rich

~S~

Hamas has representatives and is very aware of public protests and opinions. They are counting on public opinion to survive this conflict.

You certainly could join protests demanding Hamas surrender and the release of hostages.

 

[Thunderbird]

[/QUOTE]

The Palestinians start the wars, and they lose. The losers in any war suffer more than the winners.

If the Palestinians do not want to suffer atrocities, then they should stop making war against Israel.

It was the Gaza Palestinians that started the current war. They are paying the price.

Somehow, when Palestinians start wars and commit atrocities against Israelis, your O.K. with that, but when the Israelis respond in kind you're suddenly upsetabout it.

You suffer from asymmetric morality.

You are lying to justify the mass murder of children.

Look at the facts.

Especially stupid people have been saying the Palestinians alone started the conflict. In reality the conflict has been going on for decades. Both sides have committed atrocities. Of course blaming Palestinian children is idiotic.

An Interview with Benny Morris

Survival of the Fittest?

www.counterpunch.org

Testimonies from the censored Deir Yassin massacre: 'They piled bodies and burned them'

A young fellow tied to a tree and set on fire. A woman and an old man shot in back. Girls lined up against a wall and shot with a submachine gun. The testimonies collected by filmmaker Neta Shoshani about the massacre in Deir Yassin are difficult to process even 70 years after the fact

www.haaretz.com

The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

An American lawyer reviews the Adalah list of 50 discriminatory laws inside Israel and finds that they create an unequal, and sometimes separate, status for Palestinians and Jews…

mondoweiss.net

Begin’s Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars

July/August 1994, Page 73 Middle East History: It Happened in August Begin's Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars By Donald Neff It was 12 years ago when Prime Minister Menachem Beg

www.wrmea.org

As war rages in Gaza, Israeli settlers drive a new wave of anti-Palestinian violence

At least 132 Palestinians have been killed by security forces and settlers in the past three weeks, according to the U.N. In 2022, 158 Palestinians were killed there.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Richard-H]

But isn't asymetric morality precisely what Sholtz and Biden are warning Israel not to do? There are something like 4 brigades of Hamas in Raffa (I don't like military terms for hamas, so I'll go with 4 bands of murderous criminals) Sholtz and Biden never said Isreal shouldn't be free to kill every mother's son of them .... even if doing so will create more terrorists.

And therein likes Scholtz and Biden's warnings. Kill them, but allow women and children to evacuate first .... and the men can come out too if they come out unarmed and hands up. Though arrest is always possible.

I suggested weeks ago (on the Israel/Palestinian board) that Israel should work with the U.N. & Red Crescent to set up internment camps outside of Gaza. They should evacuate the Palestinian women & children, and any men that want to be evacuated.

That would leave a clean field of fire for the Israeli army.

None of the pro-Israel people on that board agreed with that idea. I couldn't convince them that it was for the best benefit of Israel as well as the innocent Palestinians.

Either way, the Israeli army has not launched it's attack on Rafah yet. They have indicated that they are planning some sort of evacuation...but no one knows what it will be.

The best idea is:

DON'T START WARS!!!

 

[Thunderbird]

The Palestinians start the wars, and they lose. The losers in any war suffer more than the winners.

If the Palestinians do not want to suffer atrocities, then they should stop making war against Israel.

It was the Gaza Palestinians that started the current war. They are paying the price.

Somehow, when Palestinians start wars and commit atrocities against Israelis, your O.K. with that, but when the Israelis respond in kind you're suddenly upsetabout it.

You suffer from asymmetric morality.

Some questions:

Has Israel started any wars?

Did Israel ethnically cleanse the Palestinians during the Nakba?

Have Israeli settlers murdered Palestinians?

Have the Israelis stolen land?

Have the Zionists committed acts of terror?

Have the Israelis massacred civilians prior to Oct. 7?

Do the Israelis discriminate against the Palestinians?

Yes or no?

 

[Richard-H]

You are lying to justify the mass murder of children.

Look at the facts.

Especially stupid people have been saying the Palestinians alone started the conflict. In reality the conflict has been going on for decades. Both sides have committed atrocities. Of course blaming Palestinian children is idiotic.

An Interview with Benny Morris

Survival of the Fittest?

www.counterpunch.org

Testimonies from the censored Deir Yassin massacre: 'They piled bodies and burned them'

A young fellow tied to a tree and set on fire. A woman and an old man shot in back. Girls lined up against a wall and shot with a submachine gun. The testimonies collected by filmmaker Neta Shoshani about the massacre in Deir Yassin are difficult to process even 70 years after the fact

www.haaretz.com

The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in Israel

An American lawyer reviews the Adalah list of 50 discriminatory laws inside Israel and finds that they create an unequal, and sometimes separate, status for Palestinians and Jews…

mondoweiss.net

Begin’s Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars

July/August 1994, Page 73 Middle East History: It Happened in August Begin's Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars By Donald Neff It was 12 years ago when Prime Minister Menachem Beg

www.wrmea.org

As war rages in Gaza, Israeli settlers drive a new wave of anti-Palestinian violence

At least 132 Palestinians have been killed by security forces and settlers in the past three weeks, according to the U.N. In 2022, 158 Palestinians were killed there.

www.nbcnews.com

[/QUOTE]

Why don't you include all the facts of this conflict instead of cherry picking just the ones that support your opinion:

Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm basically neutral - I'm neither Jewish or Muslim. You can cherry pick history all you want, but the fact is that on Oct. 6 there was peace and on Oct.7 Hamas started this war.

Isreal was supplying Gaza with water & electricity, while allowing all other supplies to enter Gaza for Egypt. Israel had given thousands of Gaza Palestinians working visas to work in Israel - a huge sign of building trust.

Yet the Palestinians that worked in Israel repaid that trust by giving intelligence information to Hamas - including the location and dates of that music festival in Israel so that Hamas could murder hundreds of concert goers in cold blood.

Unarmed female Israeli soldiers were murdered in cold blood on Oct. 7. There was no valid military reason for that:

‘Israeli female soldiers shot in crotch, vagina, breasts on October 7’

“It was often impossible for families to be shown faces – and it seems as if mutilation of these women’s faces was an objective in their murders."

www.jpost.com

Israel owes the Gaza Palestinians the same level of compassion that Hamas showed to the Israelis.

 

[bendog]

I suggested weeks ago (on the Israel/Palestinian board) that Israel should work with the U.N. & Red Crescent to set up internment camps outside of Gaza. They should evacuate the Palestinian women & children, and any men that want to be evacuated.

That would leave a clean field of fire for the Israeli army.

None of the pro-Israel people on that board agreed with that idea. I couldn't convince them that it was for the best benefit of Israel as well as the innocent Palestinians.

Either way, the Israeli army has not launched it's attack on Rafah yet. They have indicated that they are planning some sort of evacuation...but no one knows what it will be.

The best idea is:

DON'T START WARS!!!

The IDF"s mission is to get all the Pales out of Gaza, so that's not going to work. Egypt isn't taking them. The Israelis are ethnic cleansing in the west bank and have accelerated. The IDF can complete the mission by making Gaza inhospitable to human life ... until zionist settlers move in to build condos.

The war of Israel making sure there's no pale state next to it has been going on since WJC left office. Of course, the Pales keep chanting from the river to the sea.

 

[Richard-H]

Some questions:

Has Israel started any wars?

The only wars Israel started were pre-emptive - they know the Egyptions were about to attack.

Did Israel ethnically cleanse the Palestinians during the Nakba?

That happened in 1948. The Arab League attacked Israel.

Have Israeli settlers murdered Palestinians?

The actions of individual settlers sould not be held against Israel as a whole

Have the Israelis stolen land?

No. The Palestinians had no valid claim.

Have the Zionists committed acts of terror?

Yes, the Haganah comitted atroocities before the creation of Israel.

Have the Israelis massacred civilians prior to Oct. 7?

During the wars and intifadas that were started by the Palestinians, I'm sure they did.

Do the Israelis discriminate against the Palestinians?

Does everybody every where discriminate against anybody that's different from them?

Yes or no?

I've answered your questions. Now answer this:

Has the leadership of Hamas & their Iranian supporters ever proposed any peaceful solution to this conflict that did not include the elimination of Israel and the Israeli people?

Has Hamas & Their Iranian supporters ever accepted the 2 state solution that has been accepted by most Israeli governments, and just about every neutral country in the world?

How do you propose peace is possible if the Palestinians keep murdering Israelis even when the Israelis do everything they can to build trust between them?

 

[Richard-H]

The IDF"s mission is to get all the Pales out of Gaza, so that's not going to work. Egypt isn't taking them. The Israelis are ethnic cleansing in the west bank and have accelerated. The IDF can complete the mission by making Gaza inhospitable to human life ... until zionist settlers move in to build condos.

The war of Israel making sure there's no pale state next to it has been going on since WJC left office. Of course, the Pales keep chanting from the river to the sea.

If Israeli wanted to eliminate all Palestinians from Gaza, they could carpet bomb Rafah at any time. Apparently, that is not the Israeli intention.

"From the River to the Sea"

That strongly implies the elimination of Israel and the slaughter of the Israeli people.

If the Palestinians want to commit genocide against the Israelis, then they deserve to have the Israelis do the same to them.

Yet, a huge number of Israelis are calling for a ceasefire and support a 2-state solution.

Perhaps peace should start with the Palestinians for a change.

 

[Richard-H]

Poor Joe is sinking deeper into dementia.

No, but you're apparently sinking deeper into your delusions!

 

[bendog]

If Israeli wanted to eliminate all Palestinians from Gaza, they could carpet bomb Rafah at any time. Apparently, that is not the Israeli intention.

"From the River to the Sea"

That strongly implies the elimination of Israel and the slaughter of the Israeli people.

If the Palestinians want to commit genocide against the Israelis, then they deserve to have the Israelis do the same to them.

Yet, a huge number of Israelis are calling for a ceasefire and support a 2-state solution.

Perhaps peace should start with the Palestinians for a change.

Israel is ethnic cleansing in the WB right now. The settlers are terrorists themselves. And we enable them with three billion dollars in free military "aid" per year. Isreal, like Putin, must move gradually so the US is not put in an untenable position for supporting it.

That's not to say Hamas isn't a terrorist group that should be terminated.

But it is to say .... stop enabling this war.

 

[Thunderbird]

Israel owes the Gaza Palestinians the same level of compassion that Hamas showed to the Israelis.

Okay the Israelis have killed far more. So they should have stopped months ago.

 

[Thunderbird]

The only wars Israel started were pre-emptive - they know the Egyptions were about to attack.

That happened in 1948. The Arab League attacked Israel.


The actions of individual settlers sould not be held against Israel as a whole


No. The Palestinians had no valid claim.


Yes, the Haganah comitted atroocities before the creation of Israel.



During the wars and intifadas that were started by the Palestinians, I'm sure they did.

Does everybody every where discriminate against anybody that's different from them?



I've answered your questions. Now answer this:

Has the leadership of Hamas & their Iranian supporters ever proposed any peaceful solution to this conflict that did not include the elimination of Israel and the Israeli people?

Has Hamas & Their Iranian supporters ever accepted the 2 state solution that has been accepted by most Israeli governments, and just about every neutral country in the world?

How do you propose peace is possible if the Palestinians keep murdering Israelis even when the Israelis do everything they can to build trust between them?

You are in error. The Nakba was well underway when the Arab armies attacked.

So if individual Israeli settlers commit acts of terror it’s okay. But if Palestinians do the same it’s not okay.

Begin admitted that Israel attacked countries when there was no proof these countries intended to attack Israel.

Why do you feel the Palestinians had no claim to the land? They’d been living on it for centuries.

To build trust and a secure peace Israel should allow the right of return. Israel needs to acknowledge and reverse its brutal ethnic cleansing.

Many Palestinians have supported the two state solution.

Are the Israelis building trust by bombing and starving civilians?

Like many Israel supporters you hate Republicans. It’s a mystery why Republicans are desperate to defend those who despise them.

 

[bendog]

Isreal will never allow Pales who weren't born in 1947 to enter Israel if their relatives left. And they shouldn't. Israel is a Jewish state, although its arab citizens pose an "ethnic challenge" to Israel nationality. That's ultimately why Arafat turned down a deal .... that maybe Barak could have sold to his constituents. But that's deader than the kids at the negev rave.

But Israel could stop terrorizing the west bank.

 

[GLASNOST]

Especially stupid people have been saying the Palestinians alone started the conflict. In reality the conflict has been going on for decades. Both sides have committed atrocities. Of course blaming Palestinian children is idiotic.

I dont give a shit about anything before October 7th. On that day the peace was broken by the Palestinians.

You are one of the "especially stupid people". I can prove it: You think there was "peace before October 7th."

 

[Richard-H]

Israel is ethnic cleansing in the WB right now. The settlers are terrorists themselves. And we enable them with three billion dollars in free military "aid" per year. Isreal, like Putin, must move gradually so the US is not put in an untenable position for supporting it.

That's not to say Hamas isn't a terrorist group that should be terminated.

But it is to say .... stop enabling this war.

There's no doubt that the WB settlements are illegal and should be removed.

However, until there's an official Palestinian state, there's no legally recognized authority that can stop or remove them.

Once this war is over, Netanyahu will certainly be removed from office along with his Likud. They are very much negligently responsible for the Oct. 7 attacks. They failed to protect Israel miserably.

Hopefully the next Israeli government will agree to the 2-state solution - and hopefully the WB Palestinians will as well.

Once there is a WB Palestinian state, they will have the authority to remove the WB settlements.