Jim DeMint: Gays And Unmarried, Pregnant Women Should Not Teach Public School

[ScreamingEagle]

For those who don't believe that the insidious liberal agenda is actually out there to teach sex to kindergartners and young children, (not to mention promoting their liberal version of morality - take special notice of the third grade brainwashing) you might read up on the recent big hoopla in Montana this summer....

FOXNews.com - Montana School Proposes Controversial Sex Education Program

Jeff Laszloffy, president of the Montana Family Council, has expressed outrage at a plan being considered by the Helena Public School System to have sex education begin in kindergarten.

These young children will taught the meaning of terms like nipple, penis, uterus, and scrotum. The next year, first-graders would be taught that homosexual attraction is normal. By the time the students are ten, they would be taught that “sexual intercourse includes but is not limited to vaginal, oral, or anal penetration.”

A review of the curriculum shows that the Helena Public School System intends to spend a great deal of time and lots of money to instruct our children to hold values that are contrary to what many, probably most, parents believe. The first-grade curriculum includes the following goal: “Understand human beings can love someone of the same gender.” Many religious people believe that is factually and morally wrong. Yet the school system is not offering that statement as a question for discussion and debate in high-school classes, which might make sense. The school system is instructing the normality of homosexuality as fact to first-graders.

Second-graders are taught to “Understand that calling people gay … is disrespectful and hurtful.” Language used to describe homosexuality is consciously controlled by the schools. Third-graders are taught: “The media often presents an unrealistic image of what it means to be male or female.” Children are also taught in that grade that moral values are not universal. The Helena Public School intends to re-educate young children about what being boys or girls means and to deconstruct the moral values these children have learned.

The Helena Public School is engaging in nothing less than thought control. Consider what fourth-graders are required to learn: “Acknowledge that boys and girls have equal talents, characteristics, strengths, and hopes.” In fact, boys and girls consistently and for many decades have shown distinct and different strengths and weaknesses on standardized tests, and the notion that boys and girls are emotionally or psychologically the same is downright silly, old feminist dogma. Brain structure, hormonal differences, physical differences, IQ score results over many decades, and other evidence compellingly demonstrate that the equivalence of the sexes (as opposed to the appropriate legal equality of the sexes) is just myth.

Does any of this belong in public schools?

Montana School System Wants Sex Education for Kindergarten

 

[ABikerSailor]

For those who don't believe that the insidious liberal agenda is actually out there to teach sex to kindergartners and young children, (not to mention promoting their liberal version of morality - take special notice of the third grade brainwashing) you might read up on the recent big hoopla in Montana this summer....

FOXNews.com - Montana School Proposes Controversial Sex Education Program

Jeff Laszloffy, president of the Montana Family Council, has expressed outrage at a plan being considered by the Helena Public School System to have sex education begin in kindergarten.

These young children will taught the meaning of terms like nipple, penis, uterus, and scrotum. The next year, first-graders would be taught that homosexual attraction is normal. By the time the students are ten, they would be taught that “sexual intercourse includes but is not limited to vaginal, oral, or anal penetration.”

A review of the curriculum shows that the Helena Public School System intends to spend a great deal of time and lots of money to instruct our children to hold values that are contrary to what many, probably most, parents believe. The first-grade curriculum includes the following goal: “Understand human beings can love someone of the same gender.” Many religious people believe that is factually and morally wrong. Yet the school system is not offering that statement as a question for discussion and debate in high-school classes, which might make sense. The school system is instructing the normality of homosexuality as fact to first-graders.

Second-graders are taught to “Understand that calling people gay … is disrespectful and hurtful.” Language used to describe homosexuality is consciously controlled by the schools. Third-graders are taught: “The media often presents an unrealistic image of what it means to be male or female.” Children are also taught in that grade that moral values are not universal. The Helena Public School intends to re-educate young children about what being boys or girls means and to deconstruct the moral values these children have learned.

The Helena Public School is engaging in nothing less than thought control. Consider what fourth-graders are required to learn: “Acknowledge that boys and girls have equal talents, characteristics, strengths, and hopes.” In fact, boys and girls consistently and for many decades have shown distinct and different strengths and weaknesses on standardized tests, and the notion that boys and girls are emotionally or psychologically the same is downright silly, old feminist dogma. Brain structure, hormonal differences, physical differences, IQ score results over many decades, and other evidence compellingly demonstrate that the equivalence of the sexes (as opposed to the appropriate legal equality of the sexes) is just myth.

Does any of this belong in public schools?

Montana School System Wants Sex Education for Kindergarten

Riiiiiiiiight..............and here's what the about statement of that website is........

The New American: The Essential News Source

The New American, a biweekly magazine, is the essential news source for freedom-loving Americans.

Our editorial point of view is guided by our support of the U.S. Constitution and the principles upon which our Constitution is based. Specifically, we want to restore and retain the values and vision that made America great — limited government under the Constitution, the freedoms our Constitution guarantees, and the personal responsibility a free people must exercise to stay free. In the area of foreign policy, our editorial point of view is based on avoiding foreign entanglements and going to war only when necessary to defend our country and citizens. Our purpose is encapsulated by the slogan appearing on the cover of The New American “That freedom shall not perish.”

As you can see, unlike myriad news organs that deceptively slant the news while claiming to be "objective," The New American forthrightly acknowledges an editorial point of view. But, that aside, we always approach the news honestly, relying on facts and reason to make our case and allowing the chips to fall where they may.

Our coverage and analysis does not "rehash" the news but probes deeper to discover the real story behind the headlines. Sometimes we uncover facts the major media want to keep hidden; sometimes we report important stories months or years before they appear elsewhere.

Many of our articles expose media deception and political coverup, and warn against those forces, both inside and outside of government, seeking to consolidate political and economic power nationally and internationally. Such exposures can and do help concerned Americans to safeguard their liberties. Other articles examine the goodness of America and the greatness of our founding principles and offer realistic hope that America can be saved.

Twice a year, The New American publishes a congressional scorecard called the "Freedom Index" that rates every member of the U.S. House and Senate on key issues.

In addition to political topics, The New American also publishes articles about economics (from a free-enterprise perspective of course!), culture, and history. It is published by American Opinion Publishing, a wholly owned subsidiary of The John Birch Society.

About The New American

All you're quoting from is just another right wingnut blog site that believes it's giving you news, but it's really just another spin machine.

Wonder if Rush Limbaugh and Beck have a subscription to this rag? It sounds like a teabagger source.

Epic fail.

 

[del]

For those who don't believe that the insidious liberal agenda is actually out there to teach sex to kindergartners and young children, (not to mention promoting their liberal version of morality - take special notice of the third grade brainwashing) you might read up on the recent big hoopla in Montana this summer....

FOXNews.com - Montana School Proposes Controversial Sex Education Program

Jeff Laszloffy, president of the Montana Family Council, has expressed outrage at a plan being considered by the Helena Public School System to have sex education begin in kindergarten.

These young children will taught the meaning of terms like nipple, penis, uterus, and scrotum. The next year, first-graders would be taught that homosexual attraction is normal. By the time the students are ten, they would be taught that “sexual intercourse includes but is not limited to vaginal, oral, or anal penetration.”

A review of the curriculum shows that the Helena Public School System intends to spend a great deal of time and lots of money to instruct our children to hold values that are contrary to what many, probably most, parents believe. The first-grade curriculum includes the following goal: “Understand human beings can love someone of the same gender.” Many religious people believe that is factually and morally wrong. Yet the school system is not offering that statement as a question for discussion and debate in high-school classes, which might make sense. The school system is instructing the normality of homosexuality as fact to first-graders.

Second-graders are taught to “Understand that calling people gay … is disrespectful and hurtful.” Language used to describe homosexuality is consciously controlled by the schools. Third-graders are taught: “The media often presents an unrealistic image of what it means to be male or female.” Children are also taught in that grade that moral values are not universal. The Helena Public School intends to re-educate young children about what being boys or girls means and to deconstruct the moral values these children have learned.

The Helena Public School is engaging in nothing less than thought control. Consider what fourth-graders are required to learn: “Acknowledge that boys and girls have equal talents, characteristics, strengths, and hopes.” In fact, boys and girls consistently and for many decades have shown distinct and different strengths and weaknesses on standardized tests, and the notion that boys and girls are emotionally or psychologically the same is downright silly, old feminist dogma. Brain structure, hormonal differences, physical differences, IQ score results over many decades, and other evidence compellingly demonstrate that the equivalence of the sexes (as opposed to the appropriate legal equality of the sexes) is just myth.

Does any of this belong in public schools?

Montana School System Wants Sex Education for Kindergarten

did your subscription come with a tin foil hat?

 

[Oscar Wao]

For those who don't believe that the insidious liberal agenda is actually out there to teach sex to kindergartners and young children, (not to mention promoting their liberal version of morality - take special notice of the third grade brainwashing) you might read up on the recent big hoopla in Montana this summer....

FOXNews.com - Montana School Proposes Controversial Sex Education Program

Jeff Laszloffy, president of the Montana Family Council, has expressed outrage at a plan being considered by the Helena Public School System to have sex education begin in kindergarten.

These young children will taught the meaning of terms like nipple, penis, uterus, and scrotum. The next year, first-graders would be taught that homosexual attraction is normal. By the time the students are ten, they would be taught that “sexual intercourse includes but is not limited to vaginal, oral, or anal penetration.”

A review of the curriculum shows that the Helena Public School System intends to spend a great deal of time and lots of money to instruct our children to hold values that are contrary to what many, probably most, parents believe. The first-grade curriculum includes the following goal: “Understand human beings can love someone of the same gender.” Many religious people believe that is factually and morally wrong. Yet the school system is not offering that statement as a question for discussion and debate in high-school classes, which might make sense. The school system is instructing the normality of homosexuality as fact to first-graders.

Second-graders are taught to “Understand that calling people gay … is disrespectful and hurtful.” Language used to describe homosexuality is consciously controlled by the schools. Third-graders are taught: “The media often presents an unrealistic image of what it means to be male or female.” Children are also taught in that grade that moral values are not universal. The Helena Public School intends to re-educate young children about what being boys or girls means and to deconstruct the moral values these children have learned.

The Helena Public School is engaging in nothing less than thought control. Consider what fourth-graders are required to learn: “Acknowledge that boys and girls have equal talents, characteristics, strengths, and hopes.” In fact, boys and girls consistently and for many decades have shown distinct and different strengths and weaknesses on standardized tests, and the notion that boys and girls are emotionally or psychologically the same is downright silly, old feminist dogma. Brain structure, hormonal differences, physical differences, IQ score results over many decades, and other evidence compellingly demonstrate that the equivalence of the sexes (as opposed to the appropriate legal equality of the sexes) is just myth.

Does any of this belong in public schools?

Montana School System Wants Sex Education for Kindergarten

Riiiiiiiiight..............and here's what the about statement of that website is........

The New American: The Essential News Source

The New American, a biweekly magazine, is the essential news source for freedom-loving Americans.

Our editorial point of view is guided by our support of the U.S. Constitution and the principles upon which our Constitution is based. Specifically, we want to restore and retain the values and vision that made America great — limited government under the Constitution, the freedoms our Constitution guarantees, and the personal responsibility a free people must exercise to stay free. In the area of foreign policy, our editorial point of view is based on avoiding foreign entanglements and going to war only when necessary to defend our country and citizens. Our purpose is encapsulated by the slogan appearing on the cover of The New American “That freedom shall not perish.”

As you can see, unlike myriad news organs that deceptively slant the news while claiming to be "objective," The New American forthrightly acknowledges an editorial point of view. But, that aside, we always approach the news honestly, relying on facts and reason to make our case and allowing the chips to fall where they may.

Our coverage and analysis does not "rehash" the news but probes deeper to discover the real story behind the headlines. Sometimes we uncover facts the major media want to keep hidden; sometimes we report important stories months or years before they appear elsewhere.

Many of our articles expose media deception and political coverup, and warn against those forces, both inside and outside of government, seeking to consolidate political and economic power nationally and internationally. Such exposures can and do help concerned Americans to safeguard their liberties. Other articles examine the goodness of America and the greatness of our founding principles and offer realistic hope that America can be saved.

Twice a year, The New American publishes a congressional scorecard called the "Freedom Index" that rates every member of the U.S. House and Senate on key issues.

In addition to political topics, The New American also publishes articles about economics (from a free-enterprise perspective of course!), culture, and history. It is published by American Opinion Publishing, a wholly owned subsidiary of The John Birch Society.

About The New American

All you're quoting from is just another right wingnut blog site that believes it's giving you news, but it's really just another spin machine.

Wonder if Rush Limbaugh and Beck have a subscription to this rag? It sounds like a teabagger source.

Epic fail.

Actually, it's a John Bircher site.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Socialism/communism needs to institute relativism in order to operate....the STATE replaces GOD....and the ultimate source of your rights is no longer God....but whichever group of men is in power....your rights will then depend upon what the socialist fascists deem are your rights...

That's why the socialist commies promote gays.....it is the bending of a moral society that believes in God....same thing with unmarried people having kids.....both forms of depravity help to destroy the family unit and the belief in God....both of which are anathema to socialist commies.....they must destroy our traditional moral system first in order to institute their own moral system...

Socialism and communism are economic models. Not value systems.

Maybe this will help augment what you learned in the liberal propaganda schools....note the bolds...you might try to explain exactly how it is that everybody becomes "cooperative" and "communal"....

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production and the end of wage labour and private property.[1] The exact definition of communism varies and it is commonly used interchangeably with socialism, however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism.
Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you mean to support what I said. If so, thanks.

Communism and Socialism are economic models, not value systems. Thanks for the supporting link

 

[logical4u]

If we believe in God,

AND Believe Him?

We know that we're ALL sinners,

and the "degree" makes No Diff in the Big Scheme of Thangs.

We give others what He gave us:

LOVE,

CONSIDERATION,

and FREE CHOICE,

even if the choice is against all He told us was True...

THAT's His LIGHT shining through us, into the world.

The Lord called out the sinners. He did not tell the woman that was about to be stoned for adultery to "go and keep on sinning". He told her to "go and sin no more". Nice try.

 

[logical4u]

mudwhistle wrote:

They've got warning signs on books and movies now if it contains lessons on morals and Christianity.

mudwhistle, are you in some sort of drug induced haze? WTF??? No one has changed the rating system for movies and video games and there still is none for books or music. Are you seriously suggesting there's a "Warning" label on "The Giving Tree" because generosity is "taught" by the book?

Do you think the Bible now comes in a plain brown wrapper?

Some people have no appreciation for sarcasm.

 

[mudwhistle]

i did. it doesn't exist.

it's amusing to be lectured on morals by people who come up with whoppers like this.

what else you got?

Stories are taken down all the time. The latest and greatest example is crashtheteaparty.org. This was quite the topic on another board. I dont care if you believe it or not.

Excellent point.

In my state, the Republican leadership wanted to teach elementary school children to shoot at anyone perceived as gay or having sex while unmarried. The entire program went down the toilet when it turned out the Republican leadership was having sex while married with people they were not married to, some of them of the same sex...and the little buggers were shooting Republican congressmen left and right.

Sadly, the websites discussing this have all been taken down.

Hahahahahaha....Yeah....like that really happened.

So what program was this? How did they figure out how to identify a Homosexual on sight?

You really need to learn to question some of the shit you hear.

 

[mudwhistle]

mudwhistle wrote:

They've got warning signs on books and movies now if it contains lessons on morals and Christianity.

mudwhistle, are you in some sort of drug induced haze? WTF??? No one has changed the rating system for movies and video games and there still is none for books or music. Are you seriously suggesting there's a "Warning" label on "The Giving Tree" because generosity is "taught" by the book?

Do you think the Bible now comes in a plain brown wrapper?

Some people have no appreciation for sarcasm.

Nope.....I found a link where Godophobes where pissed because there wasn't a warning label on the subject matter they were exposed to. They said they were mad as hell having to be subjected to Christian material.

 

[mudwhistle]

Of course not, because it's not true. It's a meme created when Obama said there should be AGE APPROPRIATE sex education for all school kids. You know, like good touching/bad touching. But instead of giving him credit for actually wanting to reduce sexual predatory pedophilia, the right created this canard.

Canard? When does teaching kindergarteners about cross dressing represent good or bad touching. The liberal mind?

Except that's not what's being taught. I call bullshit on your claim. Don't you think that kids that age should know that there's some families with two mommies and some with two daddies? Of course you want to teach the tots how evil this is, and how their souls will rot in hell.

Once the kid goes home and he asks his folks WTF they teach the kid how to stay away from them or shun them. You can't bring that kind of thing into a family that doesn't want it. It's just plain wrong. It may end up in a lawsuit if you do it to the wrong kid. It's like trying to force Jesus down their throats when the parents are atheist or Satan worshipers.

Best to keep sex out of the classroom my friend.

Massachusetts Madness:

Elementary school teaching cross-dressing and transgenderism in the 3rd grade!!

A mother confronts the radical edge of the homosexual agenda in the schools - is forced to remove her daughter from school.

Which is the worse horror -- an elementary school using a GLSEN homosexual activist to teach third-graders about cross-dressing and transgenderism, and that men can have operations to become women? Or a parent being harassed and hounded by the school and community activists for publicly complaining?

A pastor in Newton, Mass. writes a scathing column in the newspaper declaring that the "mirage of 'traditional family' is simply idolatry" and that "[g]ender configuration of the parents is irrelevant to what makes a family." Is this what the future holds? What madness is this? Transgenderism in 3rd grade!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Socialism and communism are economic models. Not value systems.

Maybe this will help augment what you learned in the liberal propaganda schools....note the bolds...you might try to explain exactly how it is that everybody becomes "cooperative" and "communal"....

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production and the end of wage labour and private property.[1] The exact definition of communism varies and it is commonly used interchangeably with socialism, however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism.
Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you mean to support what I said. If so, thanks.

Communism and Socialism are economic models, not value systems. Thanks for the supporting link

I never denied that they are economic models.....but you didn't answer my question how they are implemented......you know.....the socio-political aspects of these terrific little "economic theories"....somehow socialist/communist "values" or lack thereof seem to take over other value systems (i.e. religions) and destroy them...as we see beginning with little johnnie being taught anti-Christian values in the first grade these days....

.....basically this is what REALLY happens....

COMMUNISM = ATHEISM = RELATIVISM

 

[Dick Tuck]

Canard? When does teaching kindergarteners about cross dressing represent good or bad touching. The liberal mind?

Except that's not what's being taught. I call bullshit on your claim. Don't you think that kids that age should know that there's some families with two mommies and some with two daddies? Of course you want to teach the tots how evil this is, and how their souls will rot in hell.

Once the kid goes home and he asks his folks WTF they teach the kid how to stay away from them or shun them. You can't bring that kind of thing into a family that doesn't want it. It's just plain wrong. It may end up in a lawsuit if you do it to the wrong kid. It's like trying to force Jesus down their throats when the parents are atheist or Satan worshipers.

Best to keep sex out of the classroom my friend.

???? Don't study human biology? Keep reproduction out of the classroom.

Massachusetts Madness:

Elementary school teaching cross-dressing and transgenderism in the 3rd grade!!

A mother confronts the radical edge of the homosexual agenda in the schools - is forced to remove her daughter from school.

Which is the worse horror -- an elementary school using a GLSEN homosexual activist to teach third-graders about cross-dressing and transgenderism, and that men can have operations to become women? Or a parent being harassed and hounded by the school and community activists for publicly complaining?

A pastor in Newton, Mass. writes a scathing column in the newspaper declaring that the "mirage of 'traditional family' is simply idolatry" and that "[g]ender configuration of the parents is irrelevant to what makes a family." Is this what the future holds? What madness is this? Transgenderism in 3rd grade!

[/quote]

So some kid asks the teacher if it's possible for a man to become a woman, and the teacher gives the correct answer, and the fundies go nuts. No moral judgment was made by the teacher, and the facts, at an age appropriate level were provided. Yes, it's possible with an operation. BFD. This has you in an uproar?

Perhaps the more right wing PC answer ought to have been, "I know, but can't tell you, because lunatics will claim that it's part of the GLTB agenda, and want to get me fired."

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Except that's not what's being taught. I call bullshit on your claim. Don't you think that kids that age should know that there's some families with two mommies and some with two daddies? Of course you want to teach the tots how evil this is, and how their souls will rot in hell.

Once the kid goes home and he asks his folks WTF they teach the kid how to stay away from them or shun them. You can't bring that kind of thing into a family that doesn't want it. It's just plain wrong. It may end up in a lawsuit if you do it to the wrong kid. It's like trying to force Jesus down their throats when the parents are atheist or Satan worshipers.

Best to keep sex out of the classroom my friend.

???? Don't study human biology? Keep reproduction out of the classroom.

Massachusetts Madness:

Elementary school teaching cross-dressing and transgenderism in the 3rd grade!!

A mother confronts the radical edge of the homosexual agenda in the schools - is forced to remove her daughter from school.

Which is the worse horror -- an elementary school using a GLSEN homosexual activist to teach third-graders about cross-dressing and transgenderism, and that men can have operations to become women? Or a parent being harassed and hounded by the school and community activists for publicly complaining?

A pastor in Newton, Mass. writes a scathing column in the newspaper declaring that the "mirage of 'traditional family' is simply idolatry" and that "[g]ender configuration of the parents is irrelevant to what makes a family." Is this what the future holds? What madness is this? Transgenderism in 3rd grade!

So some kid asks the teacher if it's possible for a man to become a woman, and the teacher gives the correct answer, and the fundies go nuts. No moral judgment was made by the teacher, and the facts, at an age appropriate level were provided. Yes, it's possible with an operation. BFD. This has you in an uproar?

Perhaps the more right wing PC answer ought to have been, "I know, but can't tell you, because lunatics will claim that it's part of the GLTB agenda, and want to get me fired."[/QUOTE]

Not everyone agrees with your assessment...

Many people also see "sex change" as factually inaccurate.[1] Sex in humans is usually determined by four factors:

Chromosomes
Gonads (Ovaries and/or testicles)
Hormone status
Primary sex characteristics, sometimes also secondary sex characteristics
Not all of these factors can be changed, however:

Chromosomes cannot be changed.
Gonads can be removed, but not replaced
Hormone status is easily changed
Existing sex characteristics can to some extent be changed; existing ones mostly through surgery, non-existing ones can be induced to grow through hormones.

Sex change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[thereisnospoon]

i did. it doesn't exist.

it's amusing to be lectured on morals by people who come up with whoppers like this.

what else you got?

Stories are taken down all the time. The latest and greatest example is crashtheteaparty.org. This was quite the topic on another board. I dont care if you believe it or not.

Excellent point.

In my state, the Republican leadership wanted to teach elementary school children to shoot at anyone perceived as gay or having sex while unmarried. The entire program went down the toilet when it turned out the Republican leadership was having sex while married with people they were not married to, some of them of the same sex...and the little buggers were shooting Republican congressmen left and right.

Sadly, the websites discussing this have all been taken down.

That is so much an ourageous accusation it falls well below the dignity of a response.

 

[logical4u]

mudwhistle, are you in some sort of drug induced haze? WTF??? No one has changed the rating system for movies and video games and there still is none for books or music. Are you seriously suggesting there's a "Warning" label on "The Giving Tree" because generosity is "taught" by the book?

Do you think the Bible now comes in a plain brown wrapper?

Some people have no appreciation for sarcasm.

Nope.....I found a link where Godophobes where pissed because there wasn't a warning label on the subject matter they were exposed to. They said they were mad as hell having to be subjected to Christian material.

wow!

my apologies. I thought you were being sarcastic, you know, that whole freedom of religion thing.

 

[logical4u]

Maybe this will help augment what you learned in the liberal propaganda schools....note the bolds...you might try to explain exactly how it is that everybody becomes "cooperative" and "communal"....

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production and the end of wage labour and private property.[1] The exact definition of communism varies and it is commonly used interchangeably with socialism, however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism.
Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you mean to support what I said. If so, thanks.

Communism and Socialism are economic models, not value systems. Thanks for the supporting link

I never denied that they are economic models.....but you didn't answer my question how they are implemented......you know.....the socio-political aspects of these terrific little "economic theories"....somehow socialist/communist "values" or lack thereof seem to take over other value systems (i.e. religions) and destroy them...as we see beginning with little johnnie being taught anti-Christian values in the first grade these days....

.....basically this is what REALLY happens....

COMMUNISM = ATHEISM = RELATIVISM

Thanks for the cartoon, it does make a statement.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Maybe this will help augment what you learned in the liberal propaganda schools....note the bolds...you might try to explain exactly how it is that everybody becomes "cooperative" and "communal"....

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production and the end of wage labour and private property.[1] The exact definition of communism varies and it is commonly used interchangeably with socialism, however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism.
Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you mean to support what I said. If so, thanks.

Communism and Socialism are economic models, not value systems. Thanks for the supporting link

I never denied that they are economic models.....but you didn't answer my question how they are implemented......you know.....the socio-political aspects of these terrific little "economic theories"....somehow socialist/communist "values" or lack thereof seem to take over other value systems (i.e. religions) and destroy them...as we see beginning with little johnnie being taught anti-Christian values in the first grade these days....

.....basically this is what REALLY happens....

COMMUNISM = ATHEISM = RELATIVISM

Yeah, um, no.

Communism and socialism when implemented CAN lead to such, but they do not have to go hand in hand.

Whats the most communistic and socialistic micro-societies that exist? Monasteries and convents. They certainly are not atheist and a pretty moral I would say.

Communism =/= atheism =/= relativism.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Did you mean to support what I said. If so, thanks.

Communism and Socialism are economic models, not value systems. Thanks for the supporting link

I never denied that they are economic models.....but you didn't answer my question how they are implemented......you know.....the socio-political aspects of these terrific little "economic theories"....somehow socialist/communist "values" or lack thereof seem to take over other value systems (i.e. religions) and destroy them...as we see beginning with little johnnie being taught anti-Christian values in the first grade these days....

.....basically this is what REALLY happens....

COMMUNISM = ATHEISM = RELATIVISM

Yeah, um, no.

Communism and socialism when implemented CAN lead to such, but they do not have to go hand in hand.

Whats the most communistic and socialistic micro-societies that exist? Monasteries and convents. They certainly are not atheist and a pretty moral I would say.

Communism =/= atheism =/= relativism.

LOL

If the monasteries and convents are so communist then why have they been persecuted by....oh....just about every Communist state that has existed....from the convents under Mao and Pol Pot to the monasteries in Moscow or the Czech Republic to the Tibetan monks to suppression in Cuba?

In the words of Comrade Trotsky...

“And therefore, we adopt a ruthlessly irreconcilable attitude to anyone who utters a single word to the effect that mysticism or religious sentimentality might be combined with Communism. Religiousness is irreconcilable with the Marxian standpoint.

“We are of opinion that Atheism, as an inseparable element of the materialist view of life, is a necessary condition for the theoretical education of the revolutionist.

“He who believes in another world is not capable of concentrating all his passion on the transformation of this one."

 

[RadiomanATL]

If the monasteries and convents are so communist then why have they been persecuted by....oh....just about every Communist state that has existed

Different values systems.

You really don't get it, do you?

 

[del]

If the monasteries and convents are so communist then why have they been persecuted by....oh....just about every Communist state that has existed

Different values systems.

You really don't get it, do you?

not even in the same time zone, is he?