Jewish and Liberal...?

[Intense]

My beliefs are just as irrelevant to Catholic doctrine as yours are, which is why I haven't spoken about my religious beliefs.

You can't help but talk about your beliefs, over and over, because you think you are oh-so precious

The core premise of your argument is false, it is limited, you fail to see that. All the rest is a dog and pony show. Our contact with our Creator is not limited to the will or consent of the Church. The notion is absurd. You are out of context. Yes The Church has absurd notions of It's own, who doesn't? Every Soul is Precious. Every Soul Matters.

The core premise of my argument was proven with links to a Catholic website that you endorsed.

Our contact with our Creator is not limited to the will or consent of the Church.

The Catholic Church disagrees

The Church has absurd notions of It's own, who doesn't?

Umm, the Church is not a person. According to Catholicism, The Church is infallible.

Again You Mis-characterize. You being so Schooled in Theology, are the expert on the matter, in you dreams. when was the lat time you picked up a Bible. Don't bother, it's just going to get you into more trouble up stairs. My only advice to you is to stay away from things you know nothing about and that your only interest is to throw stones at and slander. It is hurtful to you in ways that you clearly don't comprehend. I'm about done contributing to it. As much as I dislike you and your attitude, I will not contribute to your fall. This conversation is over.

 

[sangha]

The core premise of your argument is false, it is limited, you fail to see that. All the rest is a dog and pony show. Our contact with our Creator is not limited to the will or consent of the Church. The notion is absurd. You are out of context. Yes The Church has absurd notions of It's own, who doesn't? Every Soul is Precious. Every Soul Matters.

The core premise of my argument was proven with links to a Catholic website that you endorsed.



The Catholic Church disagrees

The Church has absurd notions of It's own, who doesn't?

Umm, the Church is not a person. According to Catholicism, The Church is infallible.

Again You Mis-characterize. You being so Schooled in Theology, are the expert on the matter, in you dreams. when was the lat time you picked up a Bible. Don't bother, it's just going to get you into more trouble up stairs. My only advice to you is to stay away from things you know nothing about and that your only interest is to throw stones at and slander. It is hurtful to you in ways that you clearly don't comprehend. I'm about done contributing to it. As much as I dislike you and your attitude, I will not contribute to your fall. This conversation is over.

All that blather, and you still haven't posted anything back up your absurd claims

On the other hand, I not only claimed that Catholicism believes that laypeople require the Church to have a personal relationship to God, I PROVED IT

You can't back up what you say, so you're going to run away from your words the way a little girl runs from a spider

 

[GHook93]

As a conservative Jew (social moderate), I have wondered this for a long time.

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years. Even over the last decade where he takes 3 months off a year he still surpassed that mark. He lives by the code saving money, no over-extending himself, controlling spending, working hard, kmaking one's own future and fiscal responsibility! Yet he is a loyal Democrat! He votes Democrat no matter who is on the ticket! He is a huge supporter of Obama. He gave the max to Obama (in 2008), Quinn, Janacowsky, Gianoulous and Pewinkle! I just don't get it.

He is what one would call a liberal Zionist (supporter of Israel, but wants Israel to create a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank), he's a millioniare and pretty much a yuppy!

However, he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!

I've often wondered why Jewish People are liberal, for me it doesn't quite fit. Then I ran across this rather long article explaining it but now I'm not sure that it's a fair assessment.
Admittedly... I'm a complete novice on this subject but I'm interested in understanding the issue better.

So my question... is this article a fair assessment?..

(Go to the link, this is just part of it)

-----------------------------

Beyond simple persecution, the Diaspora Jews have long suffered from serious psychopathologies, and in particular a sort of assimilationist self-hatred. While the early Zionists were rebelling against the religious authorities in Eastern European communities, it became clear fairly quickly that Zionism was also a rebellion against the tendencies by many assimilationist Jews to advocate national self-destruction. The Jewish socialist and communist Left in Eastern Europe, but also many Jewish liberals elsewhere, promoted radical assimilationism, where Jews would cut themselves off altogether from their Jewish culture and roots and assimilate aggressively into the surrounding majority cultures of the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Theodore Herzl came from an assimilated home. He was a strong advocate of such constructive assimilationism, before his internal struggle that later led him to advocate Jewish nationhood. Western Jewry was dominated by a strange sort of assimilationism that first emerged long before World War II, although it had precedents and included elements taken from German Jewish enlightenment and German Reform Judaism. The latter had long advocated the denationalization of Jewish identity. In a nutshell, the innovation of German (and later American) Reform Judaism was that the Jews should "define themselves away" as a national entity; in its place they would self-define as ethnic-national members of the majority nations in their countries of residence, but with their own religion.

Is Liberalism Judaism?

 

[GHook93]

Maybe because Jews, like every other 'group', are individuals?

That argument doesn't work that well, since Jews still blindly toss 90% of their support to the Democrats. Check the vast majority of Jews in Government, they are Democrats (Cantor is the only Republican in Congress I believe). Check the Supreme Court they are always liberal douche bags.

I hear a lot of Jews complaining about Democrats and Obama, but I guarantee 90%+ still voted Democratic in 2010 and will do the same in 2012.

There is a trend here and its well beyond individuality!

 

[sangha]

As a conservative Jew (social moderate), I have wondered this for a long time.

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years. Even over the last decade where he takes 3 months off a year he still surpassed that mark. He lives by the code saving money, no over-extending himself, controlling spending, working hard, kmaking one's own future and fiscal responsibility! Yet he is a loyal Democrat! He votes Democrat no matter who is on the ticket! He is a huge supporter of Obama. He gave the max to Obama (in 2008), Quinn, Janacowsky, Gianoulous and Pewinkle! I just don't get it.

He is what one would call a liberal Zionist (supporter of Israel, but wants Israel to create a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank), he's a millioniare and pretty much a yuppy!

However, he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!

I've often wondered why Jewish People are liberal, for me it doesn't quite fit. Then I ran across this rather long article explaining it but now I'm not sure that it's a fair assessment.
Admittedly... I'm a complete novice on this subject but I'm interested in understanding the issue better.

So my question... is this article a fair assessment?..

(Go to the link, this is just part of it)

-----------------------------

Beyond simple persecution, the Diaspora Jews have long suffered from serious psychopathologies, and in particular a sort of assimilationist self-hatred. While the early Zionists were rebelling against the religious authorities in Eastern European communities, it became clear fairly quickly that Zionism was also a rebellion against the tendencies by many assimilationist Jews to advocate national self-destruction. The Jewish socialist and communist Left in Eastern Europe, but also many Jewish liberals elsewhere, promoted radical assimilationism, where Jews would cut themselves off altogether from their Jewish culture and roots and assimilate aggressively into the surrounding majority cultures of the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Theodore Herzl came from an assimilated home. He was a strong advocate of such constructive assimilationism, before his internal struggle that later led him to advocate Jewish nationhood. Western Jewry was dominated by a strange sort of assimilationism that first emerged long before World War II, although it had precedents and included elements taken from German Jewish enlightenment and German Reform Judaism. The latter had long advocated the denationalization of Jewish identity. In a nutshell, the innovation of German (and later American) Reform Judaism was that the Jews should "define themselves away" as a national entity; in its place they would self-define as ethnic-national members of the majority nations in their countries of residence, but with their own religion.

Is Liberalism Judaism?

Maybe your dad, unlike you, doesn't hate this nation for giving him the opportunity to succeed

Or maybe he realizes that the Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility and the GOP is the party of big spending, big govt, big deficits, and increasing the national debt

 

[judyd]

As a conservative Jew (social moderate), I have wondered this for a long time.

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years. Even over the last decade where he takes 3 months off a year he still surpassed that mark. He lives by the code saving money, no over-extending himself, controlling spending, working hard, kmaking one's own future and fiscal responsibility! Yet he is a loyal Democrat! He votes Democrat no matter who is on the ticket! He is a huge supporter of Obama. He gave the max to Obama (in 2008), Quinn, Janacowsky, Gianoulous and Pewinkle! I just don't get it.

He is what one would call a liberal Zionist (supporter of Israel, but wants Israel to create a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank), he's a millioniare and pretty much a yuppy!

However, he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!

I've often wondered why Jewish People are liberal, for me it doesn't quite fit. Then I ran across this rather long article explaining it but now I'm not sure that it's a fair assessment.
Admittedly... I'm a complete novice on this subject but I'm interested in understanding the issue better.

So my question... is this article a fair assessment?..

(Go to the link, this is just part of it)

-----------------------------

Beyond simple persecution, the Diaspora Jews have long suffered from serious psychopathologies, and in particular a sort of assimilationist self-hatred. While the early Zionists were rebelling against the religious authorities in Eastern European communities, it became clear fairly quickly that Zionism was also a rebellion against the tendencies by many assimilationist Jews to advocate national self-destruction. The Jewish socialist and communist Left in Eastern Europe, but also many Jewish liberals elsewhere, promoted radical assimilationism, where Jews would cut themselves off altogether from their Jewish culture and roots and assimilate aggressively into the surrounding majority cultures of the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Theodore Herzl came from an assimilated home. He was a strong advocate of such constructive assimilationism, before his internal struggle that later led him to advocate Jewish nationhood. Western Jewry was dominated by a strange sort of assimilationism that first emerged long before World War II, although it had precedents and included elements taken from German Jewish enlightenment and German Reform Judaism. The latter had long advocated the denationalization of Jewish identity. In a nutshell, the innovation of German (and later American) Reform Judaism was that the Jews should "define themselves away" as a national entity; in its place they would self-define as ethnic-national members of the majority nations in their countries of residence, but with their own religion.

Is Liberalism Judaism?

Maybe your dad, unlike you, doesn't hate this nation for giving him the opportunity to succeed

Or maybe he realizes that the Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility and the GOP is the party of big spending, big govt, big deficits, and increasing the national debt

I have known many wealthy Jews who are the same, especially the ones who are first generation in this country. Interesting enough, I never heard them complain about their income taxes either. I think when they have had to escape from countries like Syria, Lebanon and Iran, their priorities are different from the average American.

 

[GHook93]

As a conservative Jew (social moderate), I have wondered this for a long time.

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years. Even over the last decade where he takes 3 months off a year he still surpassed that mark. He lives by the code saving money, no over-extending himself, controlling spending, working hard, kmaking one's own future and fiscal responsibility! Yet he is a loyal Democrat! He votes Democrat no matter who is on the ticket! He is a huge supporter of Obama. He gave the max to Obama (in 2008), Quinn, Janacowsky, Gianoulous and Pewinkle! I just don't get it.

He is what one would call a liberal Zionist (supporter of Israel, but wants Israel to create a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank), he's a millioniare and pretty much a yuppy!

However, he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!

I've often wondered why Jewish People are liberal, for me it doesn't quite fit. Then I ran across this rather long article explaining it but now I'm not sure that it's a fair assessment.
Admittedly... I'm a complete novice on this subject but I'm interested in understanding the issue better.

So my question... is this article a fair assessment?..

(Go to the link, this is just part of it)

-----------------------------

Beyond simple persecution, the Diaspora Jews have long suffered from serious psychopathologies, and in particular a sort of assimilationist self-hatred. While the early Zionists were rebelling against the religious authorities in Eastern European communities, it became clear fairly quickly that Zionism was also a rebellion against the tendencies by many assimilationist Jews to advocate national self-destruction. The Jewish socialist and communist Left in Eastern Europe, but also many Jewish liberals elsewhere, promoted radical assimilationism, where Jews would cut themselves off altogether from their Jewish culture and roots and assimilate aggressively into the surrounding majority cultures of the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Theodore Herzl came from an assimilated home. He was a strong advocate of such constructive assimilationism, before his internal struggle that later led him to advocate Jewish nationhood. Western Jewry was dominated by a strange sort of assimilationism that first emerged long before World War II, although it had precedents and included elements taken from German Jewish enlightenment and German Reform Judaism. The latter had long advocated the denationalization of Jewish identity. In a nutshell, the innovation of German (and later American) Reform Judaism was that the Jews should "define themselves away" as a national entity; in its place they would self-define as ethnic-national members of the majority nations in their countries of residence, but with their own religion.

Is Liberalism Judaism?

Maybe your dad, unlike you, doesn't hate this nation for giving him the opportunity to succeed

Or maybe he realizes that the Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility and the GOP is the party of big spending, big govt, big deficits, and increasing the national debt

How do you even respond to such illogical dribble!

 

[CMike]

Christians, particularly catholics, LOVE pedophilia, so I don't know why you would expect them to excommunicate anyone for that

However. the Church has excommunicated scores of people for heresy

You are an idiot.

Thank you for your attention on this matter.

And the raped children and their parents curse you and your pedophiliac beliefs for turning a blind eye to child molestation and brutality

Your idiotic posts deserve no better response.

P.S. You are an idiot

 

[CMike]

As a conservative Jew (social moderate), I have wondered this for a long time.

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years. Even over the last decade where he takes 3 months off a year he still surpassed that mark. He lives by the code saving money, no over-extending himself, controlling spending, working hard, kmaking one's own future and fiscal responsibility! Yet he is a loyal Democrat! He votes Democrat no matter who is on the ticket! He is a huge supporter of Obama. He gave the max to Obama (in 2008), Quinn, Janacowsky, Gianoulous and Pewinkle! I just don't get it.

He is what one would call a liberal Zionist (supporter of Israel, but wants Israel to create a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank), he's a millioniare and pretty much a yuppy!

However, he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!

I think you need to throw a hood over his head, toss him in a van, and have him deprogrammed.

 

[CMike]

Still an idiot .

You claim to be college-educated and you continue to throw out these simpleton slurs?

That's because I am throwing them at a simpleton

 

[bigtalker]

Jews always promote liberalism – they need to so they can continue to be in the ruling class

 

[CMike]

Jews always promote liberalism – they need to so they can continue to be in the ruling class

Another stupid moron...

 

[u2scram]

""he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!""

maybe he's more intelligent than you are.

 

[jillian]

what happened? did the antisemitic tards clean out stormfront?

buncha losers.

 

[jillian]

Maybe because Jews, like every other 'group', are individuals?

That argument doesn't work that well, since Jews still blindly toss 90% of their support to the Democrats. Check the vast majority of Jews in Government, they are Democrats (Cantor is the only Republican in Congress I believe). Check the Supreme Court they are always liberal douche bags.

I hear a lot of Jews complaining about Democrats and Obama, but I guarantee 90%+ still voted Democratic in 2010 and will do the same in 2012.

There is a trend here and its well beyond individuality!

maybe if they stopped saying this is a 'christian country' and stopped trying to pass laws to codify their own moralistic code??? you know those things are huge, don't you?

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Liberalism has become a disease, loss of Identity, loss of Free Will, Loss of Property, loss of Value and Ideal.

Where do you get this from? Loss of identity? Just because we can't openly degrade a group doesn't mean they or you lose their identity. What ideals are lost? It seems to me that both conversatives and liberals have similar ideals but approach them from different directions. I'm really interested in hearing where you're getting these ideas from.

personally, i don't understand how any 'christian' who actually listens to what jesus said could be anything BUT liberal.

Jesus told people to sell everything they owned. How many Christians do that?

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years.

what does he do for a living?

 

[CMike]

How do you even respond to such illogical dribble!

 

[CMike]

As a conservative Jew (social moderate), I have wondered this for a long time.

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years. Even over the last decade where he takes 3 months off a year he still surpassed that mark. He lives by the code saving money, no over-extending himself, controlling spending, working hard, kmaking one's own future and fiscal responsibility! Yet he is a loyal Democrat! He votes Democrat no matter who is on the ticket! He is a huge supporter of Obama. He gave the max to Obama (in 2008), Quinn, Janacowsky, Gianoulous and Pewinkle! I just don't get it.

He is what one would call a liberal Zionist (supporter of Israel, but wants Israel to create a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank), he's a millioniare and pretty much a yuppy!

However, he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!

I've often wondered why Jewish People are liberal, for me it doesn't quite fit. Then I ran across this rather long article explaining it but now I'm not sure that it's a fair assessment.
Admittedly... I'm a complete novice on this subject but I'm interested in understanding the issue better.

So my question... is this article a fair assessment?..

(Go to the link, this is just part of it)

-----------------------------

Beyond simple persecution, the Diaspora Jews have long suffered from serious psychopathologies, and in particular a sort of assimilationist self-hatred. While the early Zionists were rebelling against the religious authorities in Eastern European communities, it became clear fairly quickly that Zionism was also a rebellion against the tendencies by many assimilationist Jews to advocate national self-destruction. The Jewish socialist and communist Left in Eastern Europe, but also many Jewish liberals elsewhere, promoted radical assimilationism, where Jews would cut themselves off altogether from their Jewish culture and roots and assimilate aggressively into the surrounding majority cultures of the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Theodore Herzl came from an assimilated home. He was a strong advocate of such constructive assimilationism, before his internal struggle that later led him to advocate Jewish nationhood. Western Jewry was dominated by a strange sort of assimilationism that first emerged long before World War II, although it had precedents and included elements taken from German Jewish enlightenment and German Reform Judaism. The latter had long advocated the denationalization of Jewish identity. In a nutshell, the innovation of German (and later American) Reform Judaism was that the Jews should "define themselves away" as a national entity; in its place they would self-define as ethnic-national members of the majority nations in their countries of residence, but with their own religion.

Is Liberalism Judaism?

Maybe your dad, unlike you, doesn't hate this nation for giving him the opportunity to succeed

Or maybe he realizes that the Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility and the GOP is the party of big spending, big govt, big deficits, and increasing the national debt

You are an idiot.

 

[CMike]

As a conservative Jew (social moderate), I have wondered this for a long time.

Take my Dad for instance. He has not made less than $250K in some 40 years. Even over the last decade where he takes 3 months off a year he still surpassed that mark. He lives by the code saving money, no over-extending himself, controlling spending, working hard, kmaking one's own future and fiscal responsibility! Yet he is a loyal Democrat! He votes Democrat no matter who is on the ticket! He is a huge supporter of Obama. He gave the max to Obama (in 2008), Quinn, Janacowsky, Gianoulous and Pewinkle! I just don't get it.

He is what one would call a liberal Zionist (supporter of Israel, but wants Israel to create a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank), he's a millioniare and pretty much a yuppy!

However, he's a liberal and no matter what I say he sticks to it!

Maybe your dad, unlike you, doesn't hate this nation for giving him the opportunity to succeed

Or maybe he realizes that the Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility and the GOP is the party of big spending, big govt, big deficits, and increasing the national debt

I have known many wealthy Jews who are the same, especially the ones who are first generation in this country. Interesting enough, I never heard them complain about their income taxes either. I think when they have had to escape from countries like Syria, Lebanon and Iran, their priorities are different from the average American.

I am jewish and do rather well, and I am damn well complaining about how much taxes I pay.

Also my father has complained a lot about the taxes he has to pay.

I don't complain to people I know about my taxes, because my taxes is personal.

 

[CMike]

Yanno...I have respect for Jillian's opinon in this thread. She is liberal but she is jewish too.

I think the I know some jews and they believe this, for this reason, is a rather rediculous approach.