Jewish and Liberal...?

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    I've often wondered why Jewish People are liberal, for me it doesn't quite fit. Then I ran across this rather long article explaining it but now I'm not sure that it's a fair assessment.
    Admittedly... I'm a complete novice on this subject but I'm interested in understanding the issue better.

    So my question... is this article a fair assessment?..

    (Go to the link, this is just part of it)

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    Beyond simple persecution, the Diaspora Jews have long suffered from serious psychopathologies, and in particular a sort of assimilationist self-hatred. While the early Zionists were rebelling against the religious authorities in Eastern European communities, it became clear fairly quickly that Zionism was also a rebellion against the tendencies by many assimilationist Jews to advocate national self-destruction. The Jewish socialist and communist Left in Eastern Europe, but also many Jewish liberals elsewhere, promoted radical assimilationism, where Jews would cut themselves off altogether from their Jewish culture and roots and assimilate aggressively into the surrounding majority cultures of the Russians, Poles, Hungarians, etc.

    Theodore Herzl came from an assimilated home. He was a strong advocate of such constructive assimilationism, before his internal struggle that later led him to advocate Jewish nationhood. Western Jewry was dominated by a strange sort of assimilationism that first emerged long before World War II, although it had precedents and included elements taken from German Jewish enlightenment and German Reform Judaism. The latter had long advocated the denationalization of Jewish identity. In a nutshell, the innovation of German (and later American) Reform Judaism was that the Jews should "define themselves away" as a national entity; in its place they would self-define as ethnic-national members of the majority nations in their countries of residence, but with their own religion.

    Is Liberalism Judaism?
     
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    Maybe because Jews, like every other 'group', are individuals?
     
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    I can understand what your saying but is this a fair assessment?

    I'm trying to develop a base of understanding.

    I'd rather not be shanghaied down the wrong path..
     
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    Just because one suffers from a persecution complex, doesn't mean that one isn't being persecuted. We are all human beings first and foremost, sometimes people need to be reminded or taught that. Running from Who and what you are is no solution, it's a symptom. Liberalism has become a disease, loss of Identity, loss of Free Will, Loss of Property, loss of Value and Ideal. Individual Perspective is the best we each have to offer the whole, it is a Treasure lost, when we are conditioned and controlled, sometimes, certain types of compromises are just not worth it. Blaming God, for our own mistakes, rather than adjusting course, compounds the difficulties ahead.
     
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    Well .. goodnight or good morning, I'm off to bed. I've been up all night watching movies including one on the Holocaust.

    Catch you later..I'm tired..
     
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    Before the Civil Rights Amendment, the Jews received the same treatment as the blacks in the US and worked hard to get the Amendment passed. I remember when they were banned from country clubs, public swimming pools, certain neighborhoods, etc. So it is very easy to understand why they felt more inclined to side with the liberals who were sympathetic to their plight.
     
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    Prejudice works both ways. It is a Human condition. We all have to work on it at one level or another. Liberalism is very intolerant to outside ideas. It places conformity much higher than it should and is very harsh on criticism. Not all criticism is harmful.
     
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    Criticism? They suffered through more than that. They came over here to escape the hitler regime, and then they were treated like crap. Those that went to South America did not seem to be exposed to the prejudice that they received here. It was something that I didn't understand at all as a child--well actually I don't understand it now.

    The US is all about helping others gain their freedom, but "don't come here". After the fall of Vietnam I was living in Pennsylvania and saw the Vietnamese refugees being treated the same way. I imagine they probably vote with the liberals too.

    We should either live up to our reputation as a country of refuge or just stop the sham.
     
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    Life is Pain Judyd. We all Suffer. There is no excuse for treating others poorly. We are all Human Beings first. Learn to be impartial, it grows on you. You choose to either feed Justice or Injustice. It is not about Politics, but Individual Responsibility and decency.
     
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    I never had to deal with being banned from certain places, but I can imagine it's quite hurtful. My uncle had a Jewish business partner, and he had to change the location of his daughter's wedding at his country club, because the club told him that he couldn't invite any blacks or Jews. They were banned from living in nicer neighborhoods too, and couldn't go to local swimming pools or amusement parks.

    So with your dismissive "we all suffer", you're implying that you have experienced similar episodes in your life?

    Yes, we are all human beings, but there is a significant number of assholes in the US who don't get it, and spend their lives trying to make others like Asians, Hispanics, Muslims, and anyone else who isn't white anglo-saxon, miserable. What's up with that?
     

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