Jaffa, never a city of Palestine

[RadiomanATL]

I'll use simpler words this time. Maybe it will sink it.

There never has been an independent Palestinian State. Ever.

However, that sole reason is not enough to deny them a state.

Therefore, the fact that they have never had an independent state doesn't matter.

That Palestinians are not a people distinguished from the 350 million Arabs living in nearly 30 Arab countries, including Jordan whose poppulation is mostly Palestinian, is sufficient reason for denying them statehood.

No, thats not a reason either. As a matter of fact, thats an even weaker reason to deny them a state.

The reason that they do not deserve a state is because they haven't earned it. They have waged a war against a civilian population. Israel has every right to their own security. And Palestinian leadership has proven again and again that they would use their independent statehood as a tool in order to widen the war against the entire Israeli population. Including civilians.

THAT is the reason why Israel should not give them a completely independent state yet.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Let's make another Jewish state, instead.

No.

 

[RadiomanATL]

There has never in history been an independent Palestinian country. There has never in history been a Palestinian nation.

Palestinians are merely Arabs. There is no Palestinian ethnicity. There is no Palestinian religion. They are Muslims, for the most part.

There is no difference between Palestinians and Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Saudis or any other Arabs.

You're so uninformed, it's not even funny. But, I still laugh at you

What difference does all that make?

You have zero reputational points, so, shut the fk up.

If reputation is the arbiter of whether an argument is valid or not, then my argument is 28 times more valid than yours.

 

[Marc39]

I'll use simpler words this time. Maybe it will sink it.

There never has been an independent Palestinian State. Ever.

However, that sole reason is not enough to deny them a state.

Therefore, the fact that they have never had an independent state doesn't matter.

That Palestinians are not a people distinguished from the 350 million Arabs living in nearly 30 Arab countries, including Jordan whose poppulation is mostly Palestinian, is sufficient reason for denying them statehood.

No, thats not a reason either. As a matter of fact, thats an even weaker reason to deny them a state.

Yah, that Palestinians are not a people distinguished from Arabs is sufficient reason to deny them statehood.

The point is moot as "Palestine" is sovereign Israeli land. A Pallie state would have to be carved out of an existing Arab or Muslim state.

 

[Marc39]

Let's make another Jewish state, instead.

No.

30 Arab countries. 60 Muslim countries. But, only 1 Jewish country? Not fair, birdbrain.

 

[RadiomanATL]

That Palestinians are not a people distinguished from the 350 million Arabs living in nearly 30 Arab countries, including Jordan whose poppulation is mostly Palestinian, is sufficient reason for denying them statehood.

No, thats not a reason either. As a matter of fact, thats an even weaker reason to deny them a state.

Yah, that Palestinians are not a people distinguished from Arabs is sufficient reason to deny them statehood.

The point is moot as "Palestine" is sovereign Israeli land. A Pallie state would have to be carved out of an existing Arab or Muslim state.

No, it's not.

Otherwise there would be no Panama, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Australia, etc, etc, etc.

A Palestinian state will be carved out of whichever nations agree to it. If the Palestinians change their ways, then it would be in Israeli's best interest to carve it mostly out of the lands that they won in '67.

 

[Marc39]

No, thats not a reason either. As a matter of fact, thats an even weaker reason to deny them a state.

Yah, that Palestinians are not a people distinguished from Arabs is sufficient reason to deny them statehood.

The point is moot as "Palestine" is sovereign Israeli land. A Pallie state would have to be carved out of an existing Arab or Muslim state.

No, it's not.

Otherwise there would be no Panama, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Australia, etc, etc, etc.

A Palestinian state will be carved out of whichever nations agree to it. If the Palestinians change their ways, then it would be in Israeli's best interest to carve it mostly out of the lands that they won in '67.

"Palestine" is sovereign Israeli land. The point is moot.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Let's make another Jewish state, instead.

No.

30 Arab countries. 60 Muslim countries. But, only 1 Jewish country? Not fair, birdbrain.

Countries should not be created based on a worldwide religious scoreboard. And countries should only be created out of lands that the origin country agrees to abdicate.

Imbecile.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Yah, that Palestinians are not a people distinguished from Arabs is sufficient reason to deny them statehood.

The point is moot as "Palestine" is sovereign Israeli land. A Pallie state would have to be carved out of an existing Arab or Muslim state.

No, it's not.

Otherwise there would be no Panama, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Australia, etc, etc, etc.

A Palestinian state will be carved out of whichever nations agree to it. If the Palestinians change their ways, then it would be in Israeli's best interest to carve it mostly out of the lands that they won in '67.

"Palestine" is sovereign Israeli land. The point is moot.

There you go back to your parrot thing again.

 

[Marc39]

No.

30 Arab countries. 60 Muslim countries. But, only 1 Jewish country? Not fair, birdbrain.

Countries should not be created based on a worldwide religious scoreboard. And countries should only be created out of lands that the origin country agrees to abdicate.

Imbecile.

"Palestine" is sovereign Jewish land under international law.

Imbecile.

 

[Marc39]

No, it's not.

Otherwise there would be no Panama, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Australia, etc, etc, etc.

A Palestinian state will be carved out of whichever nations agree to it. If the Palestinians change their ways, then it would be in Israeli's best interest to carve it mostly out of the lands that they won in '67.

"Palestine" is sovereign Israeli land. The point is moot.

There you go back to your parrot thing again.

There you go back to your uninformed thing again

 

[RadiomanATL]

30 Arab countries. 60 Muslim countries. But, only 1 Jewish country? Not fair, birdbrain.

Countries should not be created based on a worldwide religious scoreboard. And countries should only be created out of lands that the origin country agrees to abdicate.

Imbecile.

"Palestine" is sovereign Jewish land under international law.

Imbecile.

You arguing against a point I haven't even made.

You really are an insecure and pugnacious hydrocephalitic little thing, aren't you?

 

[Darkwind]

I see no history that indicates a Stargate at Jaffa.

I hate it when I get beat to a SG-1 reference....

 

[Marc39]

Countries should not be created based on a worldwide religious scoreboard. And countries should only be created out of lands that the origin country agrees to abdicate.

Imbecile.

"Palestine" is sovereign Jewish land under international law.

Imbecile.

You arguing against a point I haven't even made.

You really are an insecure and pugnacious little hydrocephalitic little thing, aren't you?

You really are uninformed.

 

[RadiomanATL]

"Palestine" is sovereign Jewish land under international law.

Imbecile.

You arguing against a point I haven't even made.

You really are an insecure and pugnacious little hydrocephalitic little thing, aren't you?

You really are uninformed.

No, actually, I believe I have proven the exact opposite.

 

[Marc39]

You arguing against a point I haven't even made.

You really are an insecure and pugnacious little hydrocephalitic little thing, aren't you?

You really are uninformed.

No, actually, I believe I have proven the exact opposite.

In your delusional mind, perhaps, not in reality where most of us reside.

 

[RadiomanATL]

You really are uninformed.

No, actually, I believe I have proven the exact opposite.

In your delusional mind, perhaps, not in reality where most of us reside.

When you are reduced to simply insulting in order to get the last word, it shows that you have lost.

Good day.

 

[Marc39]

No, actually, I believe I have proven the exact opposite.

In your delusional mind, perhaps, not in reality where most of us reside.

When you are reduced to simply insulting in order to get the last word, it shows that you have lost.

Good day.

That you are delusional is not necessarily insulting, it's merely stating your reality.

 

[Marc39]

That would be interesting. Perhaps you could also explain the relevance.

The relevance is simple, the controversy is that Jews stole Palestinian land, today that is defined as Sunni-Arab-Palestinians, Arabs are not Palestinians, they are Arabs, were called Arabs historically, and identified themselves as Arabs, not Palestinians.

Further you mention Jaffa as being cleansed of "Palestinians" by Jews, I was more specific and gave a few facts such as it was the Irgun that took Jaffa. I have just shown how Jaffa was not a "Palestinian" city. Historically Jaffa always considered a Jewish city.

When was it that the Jews were the only people living in Jaffa?

Jews lived in Judah 2,000 years before Arab intruders who originated from Arabia. "Jewish" is derived from Judah.

Jews lived in Judah at least in 1200 BCE, verified by the archaeological record.

Arabs didn't intrude on Judah until 638 CE.

You and your fellow sand rats lose, as usual.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The relevance is simple, the controversy is that Jews stole Palestinian land, today that is defined as Sunni-Arab-Palestinians, Arabs are not Palestinians, they are Arabs, were called Arabs historically, and identified themselves as Arabs, not Palestinians.

Further you mention Jaffa as being cleansed of "Palestinians" by Jews, I was more specific and gave a few facts such as it was the Irgun that took Jaffa. I have just shown how Jaffa was not a "Palestinian" city. Historically Jaffa always considered a Jewish city.

When was it that the Jews were the only people living in Jaffa?

Jews lived in Judah 2,000 years before Arab intruders who originated from Arabia. "Jewish" is derived from Judah.

Jews lived in Judah at least in 1200 BCE, verified by the archaeological record.

Arabs didn't intrude on Judah until 638 CE.

You and your fellow sand rats lose, as usual.

All that smoke and no fire.