orogenicman
Darwin was a pastafarian
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It's just hard for me to imagine that the 30% of surface area that is land only collects and stores less than 5% of the energy..
The oceans (i.e., water) have a much higher heat capacity than the continents (or any other landmass), or the atmosphere. It is the main reason why there is over 2,000 feet of ice on Greenland (and the Antarctic continent), and less than 10 feet on average in the Arctic ocean. I don't understand why you have a problem with this.
For instance, if 93% of the GHGas generated energy is residing in the oceans --- then the "Climate Change" argument becomes an ocean driven model for current weather events. Not a truly REGIONAL driver of weather based solely on land surface temp.. Tornadoes and malaria rates (e.g.) are not largely "ocean driven".. [[they were never really solely TEMPERATURE driven either :LOL: ]]
Except that our climate is very much ocean-driven. Tornados would be nearly non-existent in the U.S. were it not for the warm Gulf Of Mexico moisture flowing north and colliding with cold Canadian air flowing down out of the Rockies. The Eastern U.S. would not enjoy it's moderate weather and amply rainfall were it not for the existence of the Gulf of Mexico. The oceans are critical drivers of the global climate. El Nino, La Nina, the various oscillation currents, the thermohaline, hurricanes, tropical storms, etc., all are major players driving the climate on our planet. Surely you know this.
Malaria is a mosquito-borne pathogen. It thrives in marshy/wetland conditions. Where do you think all that water ultimately comes from?
As I said, tornadoes and mosquito-borne diseases were never even Temperature driven plagues.. As anyone who's tried the hike the high alpine of Yosemite in the spring knows (with snow still on the ground). One of the deadliest outbreaks on record was in Siberia.
You're moving the goalpost. Malaria certainly does require a warm climate. Whether or not other mosquito-born diseases do is irrelevant to that singular fact, which, I might add, is an issue you raised.
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As for tornadoes, there are at least 5 REQUIRED prereqs. Including a dry air source and winds aloft. Unless you've got a mechanism for lowering the baro pressure, they will not even initiate or sustain..
Without warm moist are from the ocean/Gulf, they don't occur at all, regardless of the other parameters. Without the energy from the gulf colliding with cold air from the rockies, you don't get the wind sheer you need to drive the type of circulation that leads to rotation.
The idea that PDO, AMO produce a RELIABLE, and CONSISTENT change in intensity or number of cyclones simply is not strong.. Much for the same reasons I suggested above..
An AMO or PDO peak MIGHT have a mild additive effect, but it's not consistent. So warmer oceans have implications for melting Arctic seas and mild effects on biospheres, but it's NOT "The Day After Tomorrow" scenerio that you are HOPING for..
Moreover --- it's DIFFERENT than the garbage scenarios we've been fed for 2 decades now about OVERALL surface warming..
None of which refutes my statement that all are major players driving the climate on our planet. Do you deny that my statement is true?
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