It's the Government-Not the Truther

[Mr. Jones]

Why is the government covering up the truth about the 9-11 attacks? This should be the question people should ask themselves. The 9-11 truth movement is trying to bring to light the inconsistencies and highly improbable coincidences about the official narrative, not lying like the government, it's cronies, and whore agencies including the media.
Consider John Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey. He was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. He has said the report is almost entirely not true, or correct, in the book he wrote “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America's Defense on 9/11."
John Farmer’s Book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America?s Defense on 9/11″
He doesn't come off waving his arms screaming inside job!, but it certainly doesn't give the government and those responsible for explaining to the American people what happened and why, much credibility, and doesn't instill much confidence in the people. There is a lot of animosity between believers and deniers, and while the two sides haggle over free fall, fire temps and collapse initiation etc..the big picture is being ignored, the people we should be furious at received medals, lucrative financial contracts and profits, and are living comfortably with no worries of ever having to answer for anything while the slaves squabble. In reality we don't know the entire truth because along with the main stream media, our government has tried to cover things up, by omitting relevant facts and witnesses, or simply by not mentioning things the people should have the right to know.
Even if the WTCs hadn't collapsed, and were still standing, the nation was still attacked and the actions and inaction's prior to and after the attacks need to be thoroughly brought to light, accounted for and explained to the people, as well as the huge conflict of interests issues, and the financial discrepancies, all involving 9-11.
We have people, mostly young people dying because of what these elected and appointed officials said, and on whose words and integrity we trusted. Not to mention the death and suffering being inflicted on the people whose countries we were told had to be invaded and occupied because of 9-11. We are spending and borrowing, vast amounts of money and resources all attributed to 9-11, while the country falls apart economically, socially and morally.

They were caught lying to us already and these SOBs dare insinuate that it's somehow unpatriotic to question their motives, actions and intentions? I've always thought they were public servants and worked for the people, not against them.
Some people still hold onto the belief they weren't intentionally lied to and chalk up the disaster to ineptitude, and or lack of preparation. I find that impossible to believe, but even if you don't, how can you trust these inept people and who ever they appoint, with your country, its future, your rights, your life? How much more proof is needed before becoming aware that something is not right about that day, about what is happening to the country, and to all of us?
I frankly don't care if the WTC fell in 8 or 18 seconds, something is wrong with the entire scenario not just that part of it. We should hold the people that we put in charge of the government responsible for explaining what really happened and force a real investigation with subpoena powers first in order to even have a chance to sort the other details out.
But that wont ever happen unless they are forced to hear us, preferably as one collective voice in unison. I'm not holding my breath on this...but it is what needs to occur to really change things for the better. The loathing for citizens that are fed up and speaking out is uncalled for. The rise in anger and distrust people have for their government and officials runs parallel with the amount of abuse and lies it displays and the roots of that rise is what should trouble us the most. We have a government that now openly and remorselessly ignores the public and the public has reacted by losing all confidence in that government, then it argues over the reasons and never ending minute nitpicking details..
Most people associated with the truth and awareness movements are well meaning and have nothing to gain financially by a new investigation, as opposed to the war profiteers who have a vested interest in silencing them and keeping them silent.
Sure there are some who see this as a money making opportunity and are out to make a buck and are attention whores, and there are some that are purposefully trying to discredit and divide them with laser beam, HAARP, and flying saucer theories.
Most people know not to associate these people with the average fed up truth seeking American, and to do so isn't saying much for ones intellect.
They just want to have control over their own lives and finances, and have faith in the integrity of their country, government, and financial institutions restored. They are not greedy malicious liars with a need to control people for power and financial gain. Ask yourself que bono..who benefited the most from the 9-11 attacks and really look into it. You'll find that It's not the truther.

 

[Patriot911]

Why is the government covering up the truth about the 9-11 attacks?

So what do you personally claim is the "truth" about the 9/11 attacks? Be prepared to face the fact most of your fellow truthtards don't believe exactly what you believe no matter what you believe.

Bottom line is not one of you truthtards have a single shred of real evidence your bullshit claims about 9/11 are true.

This should be the question people should ask themselves.

Only if they have paranoid delusions and are so childish they have to blame the big bad gubment or the Jews or some other group for all the perceived evil in the wold.

The 9-11 truth movement is trying to bring to light the inconsistencies and highly improbable coincidences about the official narrative, not lying like the government, it's cronies, and whore agencies including the media.

Really? I can show you lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie told by the truthtard bowel movement. You fuckers wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you on the ass, introduced itself and had references straight from God they were the real truth.

Consider John Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey. He was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. He has said the report is almost entirely not true, or correct, in the book he wrote “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America's Defense on 9/11."

I love it when truthtards trot out this specific lie. I've read John Farmer's book. It goes into great detail about some of the lies some branches of the government tried to get away with. Nothing to do with the government being behind 9/11 or knowing about 9/11 beforehand. Just screwups done before and during the attack. In the end, John Farmer firmly believes the 9/11 commission got it right.

So what you see here is Mr. Jones presenting a book as evidence that he has obviously not even read. He is just hoping all the other truthtards out there are telling him the truth about the book. Unfortunately for Mr. Jones, truthtards are notorious liars and they lied to him about this book so he could turn around and lie about it to everyone else.

For instance:

Farmer explains that his hope is to lay some conspiracy theories to rest “by identifying and establishing the deception that actually did occur.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/books/review/Heilbrunn-t.html

But hey. Don't just believe me. How about hearing it from a truthtard who was rather upset about being lied to about the book:

First, Farmer's book is a defense of the 9/11 Commission's report, which he calls "accurate, and true" (2), and the Commission was itself a governmental body: its chairman, Thomas Kean, was appointed by Bush; the other members were appointed by Congress; and the executive director, Philip Zelikow, was essentially a member of the Bush White House.

Second, the "official account of 9/11," as generally understood, is the Bush-Cheney administration's conspiracy theory, according to which the 9/11 attacks resulted from a conspiracy between Osama bin Laden and some members of al-Qaeda, and Farmer supports this theory.

Third, in rejecting the "official version," Farmer is referring only to the first version of the official account. It was replaced in 2004 by the 9/11 Commission's version, which since then has been the official version of the official account. In spite of his rhetoric, therefore, Farmer is defending the official account of 9/11 produced by the government in 2004, so the book is far less radical than it has been promoted as being.

Review by David Ray Griffin

He doesn't come off waving his arms screaming inside job!, but it certainly doesn't give the government and those responsible for explaining to the American people what happened and why, much credibility, and doesn't instill much confidence in the people.

So which is it? Do you believe John Farmer or not? Either he is lying or you are lying. You can't have it both ways. Just pretending that his exposure of early lies is evidence of the government being behind 9/11 despite his claims to the contrary is dishonest as you are cherry picking what you do and do not want to believe.

There is a lot of animosity between believers and deniers, and while the two sides haggle over free fall, fire temps and collapse initiation etc..the big picture is being ignored, the people we should be furious at received medals, lucrative financial contracts and profits, and are living comfortably with no worries of ever having to answer for anything while the slaves squabble.

You first need to provide evidence of your initial claims before you go off with the rest of the accusations.

In reality we don't know the entire truth because along with the main stream media, our government has tried to cover things up, by omitting relevant facts and witnesses, or simply by not mentioning things the people should have the right to know.

No, you don't know the entire truth because you reject evidence that doesn't fit your precious bullshit theories. If you looked at all the evidence, you would understand the truth. Do we know every fact about 9/11? No. Are the main facts true? Absolutely.

Even if the WTCs hadn't collapsed, and were still standing, the nation was still attacked and the actions and inaction's prior to and after the attacks need to be thoroughly brought to light, accounted for and explained to the people, as well as the huge conflict of interests issues, and the financial discrepancies, all involving 9-11.

You already reject the evidence now. What makes you think anyone would believe you would look at evidence from a new investigation that doesn't tell you what you want to hear? Truthtards are VERY predictable in this aspect.

We have people, mostly young people dying because of what these elected and appointed officials said, and on whose words and integrity we trusted.

Yet you still have no evidence they were behind 9/11. You MUST prove that fact before moving on.

Not to mention the death and suffering being inflicted on the people whose countries we were told had to be invaded and occupied because of 9-11.

CountrIES? More truthtard bullshit. We are in Afghanistan due to 9/11. Last time I checked, that is ONE country. A shame truthtards can't count as high as.... one.....

We are spending and borrowing, vast amounts of money and resources all attributed to 9-11, while the country falls apart economically, socially and morally.

OK, we can agree. 9/11 has produced a whole subclass of morally reprehensible people called truthtards.

They were caught lying to us already and these SOBs dare insinuate that it's somehow unpatriotic to question their motives, actions and intentions?

More pretentious bullshit grounded in fantasy, not reality.

I've always thought they were public servants and worked for the people, not against them.

See above.

Some people still hold onto the belief they weren't intentionally lied to and chalk up the disaster to ineptitude, and or lack of preparation. I find that impossible to believe, but even if you don't, how can you trust these inept people and who ever they appoint, with your country, its future, your rights, your life?

Who gives a shit what a repugnant dick like you thinks? You've told far more lies than the government has about 9/11. So who would ever give a shit what a known, proven, morally bankrupt piece of shit like you thinks?

How much more proof is needed before becoming aware that something is not right about that day, about what is happening to the country, and to all of us?

How about one shred of real proof your bullshit claims are true.

I frankly don't care if the WTC fell in 8 or 18 seconds, something is wrong with the entire scenario not just that part of it.

Yeah, you can't deal with the little details so you deny the whole. Nice job. :roll:

We should hold the people that we put in charge of the government responsible for explaining what really happened and force a real investigation with subpoena powers first in order to even have a chance to sort the other details out.

Why? Why spend hundreds of millions MORE dollars to have an investigation that is going to come to the same conclusion that you will then ignore? THAT is truly retarded.

But that wont ever happen unless they are forced to hear us, preferably as one collective voice in unison.

That won't happen even then. Opinions don't mean shit. It is the FACTS and EVIDENCE that will get things done in the judicial system. The FACT that you have ZERO evidence means you will never get a new investigation, which is a good thing as I've explained above.

I'm not holding my breath on this...

We really wish you would....

but it is what needs to occur to really change things for the better.

So how would it change things for the better?

The loathing for citizens that are fed up and speaking out is uncalled for.

Why would you be upset that when you lie, and do other loathsome things that people would loath you? It would be one thing if you actually had some evidence to back up your bullshit, but when you ask us to just believe you and your "good word", nobody is going to do that to lying assholes like you.

The rise in anger and distrust people have for their government and officials runs parallel with the amount of abuse and lies it displays and the roots of that rise is what should trouble us the most.

So why is it Obama saw a much bigger backlash than Bush ever did? Open your eyes, dumbshit!

We have a government that now openly and remorselessly ignores the public and the public has reacted by losing all confidence in that government, then it argues over the reasons and never ending minute nitpicking details..

This has been true long before 9/11 and will be true forever. It is the nature of government.

Most people associated with the truth and awareness movements are well meaning and have nothing to gain financially by a new investigation, as opposed to the war profiteers who have a vested interest in silencing them and keeping them silent.

Bullshit. Alex Jones, Richard Gage and the rest of them make their livings off of the sheep like you they fleece over and over again every time they release a new book or a new video that tells you ignorant fucks what you want to hear. You're not well meaning. You're an asshole. Big difference.

Sure there are some who see this as a money making opportunity and are out to make a buck and are attention whores, and there are some that are purposefully trying to discredit and divide them with laser beam, HAARP, and flying saucer theories.

So only the crackpots that believe YOUR theories are serious and everyone else is a crackpot.

Most people know not to associate these people with the average fed up truth seeking American, and to do so isn't saying much for ones intellect.

Yet truthtards are constantly trotting out what these very people say as "evidence". Nice try trying to distance yourself from the head truthtards, but the reality is you have your head so far up their collective ass that you wouldn't be able to tell what is reality vs. what is force fed to you by the truthtard "leaders".

They just want to have control over their own lives and finances, and have faith in the integrity of their country, government, and financial institutions restored.

Why would they want to do that? They have WAY more fun blaming the government/Jews/boogiemen for all the evil in the world so they don't have to face up to that evil. It is that very lack of perceived control that make most truthtards the hateful little fucks they are. Here's a clue. You are the one responsible for your own life. Not the country. Not the government. Not the financial institutions. YOU. Once you have control of your own life and your own finances, you will realize this truth. You can thank me then.

They are not greedy malicious liars with a need to control people for power and financial gain.

Sure they are. Truthtards want everyone to just believe whatever fucked up story they believe that day in order to push their agenda. How greedy and malicious is that? And of course, you truthtards lie your asses off to try and convince people you're actually credible and know what you're talking about.

Ask yourself que bono..who benefited the most from the 9-11 attacks and really look into it. You'll find that It's not the truther.

Richard Gage, Alex Jones, et al are doing quite well due to 9/11.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Why is the government covering up the truth about the 9-11 attacks?

So what do you personally claim is the "truth" about the 9/11 attacks? Be prepared to face the fact most of your fellow truthtards don't believe exactly what you believe no matter what you believe.

The truth of the matter is that we don't know everything we should know about what happened, and because of the cover ups, and omission of facts and circumstances, the logical conclusion is that a rouge element within the governments ranks, facilitated in the attacks.

Bottom line is not one of you truthtards have a single shred of real evidence your bullshit claims about 9/11 are true.

There is evidence and you know it, from videos to witnesses, to scientific evidence. Don't pretend these people are just making stuff up.

This should be the question people should ask themselves.

Only if they have paranoid delusions and are so childish they have to blame the big bad gubment or the Jews or some other group for all the perceived evil in the wold.

You don't seem to know much about your government and what it has done in the past or what it is capable of.

Really? I can show you lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie told by the truthtard bowel movement. You fuckers wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you on the ass, introduced itself and had references straight from God they were the real truth.

Go ahead and show us all the endless lies then. Put up or stfu.

I love it when truthtards trot out this specific lie. I've read John Farmer's book. It goes into great detail about some of the lies some branches of the government tried to get away with.

You're acknowledging the point I was trying to make, thank you idiot.

Nothing to do with the government being behind 9/11 or knowing about 9/11 beforehand. Just screwups done before and during the attack. In the end, John Farmer firmly believes the 9/11 commission got it right.

Way to minimize. BTW read this part of my post again were I mention he did not come out saying it was an inside job.

So what you see here is Mr. Jones presenting a book as evidence that he has obviously not even read. He is just hoping all the other truthtards out there are telling him the truth about the book. Unfortunately for Mr. Jones, truthtards are notorious liars and they lied to him about this book so he could turn around and lie about it to everyone else.

The evidence that the official story and commission hearings were bogus come right from his own statements, are you denying he said this?

For instance:
Farmer explains that his hope is to lay some conspiracy theories to rest “by identifying and establishing the deception that actually did occur.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/books/review/Heilbrunn-t.html

You proved and acknowledged my point yet again LOL..."the deception that actually did occur" You sir are stupid.

So which is it? Do you believe John Farmer or not? Either he is lying or you are lying. You can't have it both ways. Just pretending that his exposure of early lies is evidence of the government being behind 9/11 despite his claims to the contrary is dishonest as you are cherry picking what you do and do not want to believe.

Again you are being disingenuous troll. Why would they deliberately try to deceive Mr. Farmer unless they had something to hide? You don't think much do you troll?

You first need to provide evidence of your initial claims before you go off with the rest of the accusations.

Evidence that our government lied to the public is known by most people with internet access. Do your own homework you lazy fuck.

No, you don't know the entire truth because you reject evidence that doesn't fit your precious bullshit theories. If you looked at all the evidence, you would understand the truth. Do we know every fact about 9/11? No. Are the main facts true? Absolutely.

You agree with the point I made yet again!! We don't know every fact, your own words.. You suck at this soo bad!! I've looked at both sides of this argument, and the governments is sorely lacking in credibility.

You already reject the evidence now. What makes you think anyone would believe you would look at evidence from a new investigation that doesn't tell you what you want to hear? Truthtards are VERY predictable in this aspect.

The evidence as is is being rejected here and around the world, because it wasn't all presented, and their story doesn't add up and no matter how much you pee your panties denying it, doesn't make it anymore truthful.

Yet you still have no evidence they were behind 9/11. You MUST prove that fact before moving on.

There is evidence that they weren't truthful, and that is enough to place doubt on their version, it's as simple as that troll.

CountrIES? More truthtard bullshit. We are in Afghanistan due to 9/11. Last time I checked, that is ONE country. A shame truthtards can't count as high as.... one....

. You are forgetting how hard the previous administration tried to link Saddam to Al-CIA-duh...2 wars in 2 countries. Your spin job sucks troll.

OK, we can agree. 9/11 has produced a whole subclass of morally reprehensible people called truthtards.

This statement sums up your low class attempt of responding with any intelligence, but a super job of proving my point of the divisiveness that 9-11 has caused

Who gives a shit what a repugnant dick like you thinks?

You obviously do! LOL

You've told far more lies than the government has about 9/11.

Prove it then, make a list like you do for Santa little troll..LOL! What a childish little bitch response!

So who would ever give a shit what a known, proven, morally bankrupt piece of shit like you thinks?

Your repugnance shines through like always. All one has to do is read your past posts to realize what you say about others is a self reflection about yourself. You know my post and statements are correct, but you don't have the capacity to rebuke them in any intelligent manner so you resort to spin, lies, and school yard name calling in hopes it lifts your self esteem.

How about one shred of real proof your bullshit claims are true.

You know there is proof of the government lying, and you get your panties in a bind over it. You even admitted we don't know everything there is to know you stupid idiot!! They governments lies and cover ups are the basis for people doubting them, it is everywhere and you damn well know it, you're a joke and a disgrace

Yeah, you can't deal with the little details so you deny the whole. Nice job. :roll:

Misleading others by spinning what the intent of the statement really means, is the mark of a true pussy with nothing intelligent to counter with. You are really pathetic at this

Why? Why spend hundreds of millions MORE dollars to have an investigation that is going to come to the same conclusion that you will then ignore? THAT is truly retarded.

This is ludicrous and further proves to people that you have no capacity to speak with any common sense. Your making an ass out of your self by assuming the outcome of something you clearly know nothing about.

That won't happen even then. Opinions don't mean shit. It is the FACTS and EVIDENCE that will get things done in the judicial system.

It is precisely the problem with the facts and evidence that has caused this whole argument. Geez you are either stupid, willfully ignorant, or on the low end of the disinformation troll ladder. If someone chose "all the above" about you, they'd be right.

The FACT that you have ZERO evidence means you will never get a new investigation, which is a good thing as I've explained above.

Again asswipe there is plenty of evidence. Go and study the arguments and disputes about 9-11 before you come back here and keep making an ass out of yourself, you are really sad on this topic. No one will attempt to show you all the evidence because someone with a true interest of the topic at hand will know at least the basics of it already. You needing to be led by the hand like a little bitch is pathetic. You apparently don't have the balls to learn about what all the fuss is about.

So how would it change things for the better?

Wow you have no clue about anything do you? You aren't worth the time it would take to explain this to. Go ask your legal guardian, troll.

Why would you be upset that when you lie, and do other loathsome things that people would loath you? It would be one thing if you actually had some evidence to back up your bullshit, but when you ask us to just believe you and your "good word", nobody is going to do that to lying assholes like you.

Again evidence is everywhere, you asking for proof solidifies what a troll you really are. Why don't YOU show your evidence that they are lying or rebuttal something with some human intelligence?. Because you can't therefore you wont and never have since you signed on here.

So why is it Obama saw a much bigger backlash than Bush ever did? Open your eyes, dumbshit!

They both are cut from the same cloth. You would know this about the 2 party system if you took the time to learn anything instead of spouting off like child.

This has been true long before 9/11 and will be true forever. It is the nature of government.

True as long as there are cowards in denial like you that are being given birth to instead of a proper abortion, but yet another weak response from a weak pussy. Apparently you don't mind bending over anytime anyone asks you to.

Bullshit. Alex Jones, Richard Gage and the rest of them make their livings off of the sheep like you they fleece over and over again every time they release a new book or a new video that tells you ignorant fucks what you want to hear. You're not well meaning. You're an asshole. Big difference.

I said they have nothing to gain financially by getting a new investigation, big difference from what you are purposely spinning here, proving again that you are the obvious lying asshole. Troll

...Here's a clue. You are the one responsible for your own life. Not the country. Not the government. Not the financial institutions. YOU. Once you have control of your own life and your own finances, you will realize this truth.

You are the biggest asshole that I have ever come across anywhere on any forum. Your response proves what a lack of brains you have.You aren't smart enough to understand what you attempt to read I guess. Here's a clue.. read shit thoroughly before you reply.

Sure they are. Truthtards want everyone to just believe whatever fucked up story they believe that day in order to push their agenda.

And what agenda might that be. OMG you are a conspiracy theorist! LOL!

How greedy and malicious is that? And of course, you truthtards lie your asses off to try and convince people you're actually credible and know what you're talking about.

Prove it and motive while your at it.

Ask yourself que bono..who benefited the most from the 9-11 attacks and really look into it. You'll find that It's not the truther.

Richard Gage, Alex Jones, et al are doing quite well due to 9/11.

...who benefited the most from the 9-11 attacks was the question.

Look it is obvious you know nothing about what your talking about. Your sissy techniques and disingenuous lies are quite obvious to any person with a brain. You are a pathetic angry little fool with no friends, no common sense and no life. I am not here to play babysitter and lead you around this topic. You are a waste of time and offer nothing that resembles a mature debate, I have no more time for you and your little girl fits. You can't even read a post without fucking it up and your responses follow suit. There is nothing to be gained or learned about the topic of the attacks on our nation from a troll like you and you are an obvious troll.

Troll-
Internet poster who takes oppositional views to any advocacy site, regardless of the actual strength of his chosen position, for the pure purpose of stirring up debates, generating anonymously, and triggering hatred.

Goal of Trolling- The feelings of superiority and laughs that come from generating hatred, bad feeling, or confusion on the target of trolling, and attention generated from getting targets to respond.


Payoff of trolling-
1. Making other people feel bad, without the risk of getting one's face punched in, for being rude, cruel, or socially uncaring.

2. Bullying without the mess and fuss and muss of actually answering for bad behavior.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3101121-post270.html

This fits Parrot 9-11 to a T and people that wish to participate in any meaningful discussion would do well by using the ignore function. So long and good riddance

 

[HUGGY]

I find it odd that those that cling to so much nonsense in the "official" story of 9/11 insist that anyone recognizing a discrepancy is obligated to forward a complete theory of what happened. So if one of us had proof a convicted murderer was seen in our town at the time of the crime all the way across the country from where the murder happened before our statement would have any validity in righting the wrongful conviction we would also be responsible for naming the real murderer. What may seem a reasonable request to some here is totally fucking insane.

 

[Mr. Jones]

I find it odd that those that cling to so much nonsense in the "official" story of 9/11 insist that anyone recognizing a discrepancy is obligated to forward a complete theory of what happened. So if one of us had proof a convicted murderer was seen in our town at the time of the crime all the way across the country from where the murder happened before our statement would have any validity in righting the wrongful conviction we would also be responsible for naming the real murderer. What may seem a reasonable request to some here is totally fucking insane.

He makes it blatantly obvious that he's an attention seeking idiot troll with no life and not entitled to any responses.

 

[Muhammed]

I find it odd that those that cling to so much nonsense in the "official" story of 9/11 insist that anyone recognizing a discrepancy is obligated to forward a complete theory of what happened.

Who's "official story" are you referring to in the first place?

 

[eots]

I find it odd that those that cling to so much nonsense in the "official" story of 9/11 insist that anyone recognizing a discrepancy is obligated to forward a complete theory of what happened.

Who's "official story" are you referring to in the first place?

The NIST and 9/11 commission reports

 

[Muhammed]

I find it odd that those that cling to so much nonsense in the "official" story of 9/11 insist that anyone recognizing a discrepancy is obligated to forward a complete theory of what happened.

Who's "official story" are you referring to in the first place?

The NIST and 9/11 commission reports

Those are vague speculative reports, not "official stories", you fucking dumbass!

Are you too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

 

[eots]

Who's "official story" are you referring to in the first place?

The NIST and 9/11 commission reports

Those are vague speculative reports, not "official stories", you fucking dumbass!

Are you too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

Really...well you should inform NIST because they are under the illusion that they are the official government agency that did the definitive 8 year study and report on the collapse...I am sure they would e interested in knowing they are actually vague speculative reports with no official recognition or status thanks for setting that straight ....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Usual bullshit from the troofers. Cite some source in hopes no one actually reads it. In this case the book and Author cited actually SUPPORTS and DEFENDS the 9/11 Commission and yet troofers claim otherwise.

Kinda like all the names Eots and buddies throw around. If you do any research you quickly learn that these LEARNED men almost uniformly do NOT support the troofers. What they do claim is that some piece of the investigation got something slightly wrong and they want it corrected. For example the one they cite for the fire problem in building 7 does not disagree that fire brought the building down at all. He feels that the insulation was the problem and FOR SAFETY REASONS, that part should be changed.

The pilots they cite , none of them say that the flight in Washington DC could not have done what it did, what they say is that it was strange behavior for a plane to do and that possibly a more experienced pilot would be needed. BUT reality is that a Plane, its crew, its passengers all vanished on 9/11 and the plane debris is located in the hole in the Pentagon along with DNA evidence and body parts of the missing crew and passengers.

In Pennsylvania we have a couple people insisting a plane that size could not belly flop in the hole presented. Totally ignoring the fact the plane came in at a steep angle. Totally ignoring that the cockpit debris and human remains were found in the woods just a short way away. Ignoring the fact that 95 percent of the aircraft was dug up from that hole. Ignoring the fact the plane crashed into an old land fill where the ground was soft to begin with. Ignoring the fact that AGAIN, the DNA evidence and human remains all belonged to crew and passengers on THAT flight.

NOT a single troofer has presented us with facts or figures on how many floors of the two trade Centers and building 7 would have had to be rigged for explosives to validate THEIR claim explosives were used. The only supposed evidence they give of explosions is the cloud debris from when the upper floors crashed into the lower floors at the start of the collapse and a couple people that claim they heard explosions near the bottom of the building. All explained away with the actual findings.

The there is the missile claim. No one can explain how if a missile was used on the Pentagon, where the plane, crew and passengers went. No one can provide any evidence of explosive materials in the ruins of the Pentagon. No one can explain what type of missile makes the damage pattern in evidence at the Pentagon. And of course none of them can explain where the mystery missile came from, what it was fired from or who exactly fired it. Nor can they explain away the body parts the DNA or the air craft wreckage recovered there.

 

[eots]

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QUOTE=RetiredGySgt;3126829]Usual bullshit from the troofers. Cite some source in hopes no one actually reads it. In this case the book and Author cited actually SUPPORTS and DEFENDS the 9/11 Commission and yet troofers claim otherwise

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don't claim anything just quote them on all the failings of the commission even if they do "endorse" it

Kinda like all the names Eots and buddies throw around. If you do any research you quickly learn that these LEARNED men almost uniformly do NOT support the troofers.

name...one

What they do claim is that some piece of the investigation got something slightly wrong and they want it corrected. For example the one they cite for the fire problem in building 7 does not disagree that fire brought the building down at all. He feels that the insulation was the problem and FOR SAFETY REASONS, that part should be changed.

well you are way off on that it was the towers and is was not the insulation
and you are completely off on the fact that Dr q just wanted that corrected or thay was not all criticizes of the NIST report...he flat out calls for a new investigation regardless of his opinion on controlled demolition//its you that makes the false claims


Summary: James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is
questionable."


the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”


“In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.

A BIT MORE THAN..."INSULATION"

The pilots they cite , none of them say that the flight in Washington DC could not have done what it did,

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Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures. Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis. Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber). 3,000+ fighter hours. Combat time over Iraq. 20-year Air Force career.
Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.

The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull [WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse." [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

what they say is that it was strange behavior for a plane to do and that possibly a more experienced pilot would be needed.

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OT a single troofer has presented us with facts or figures on how many floors of the two trade Centers and building 7 would have had to be rigged for explosives to validate THEIR claim explosives were used.

A SINGLE BLAST TO COLUMN 79 WAS ALL THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE ACCORDING TO NIST



the loss of WTC 7’s Column 79—the structural component identified as the one whose failure on 9/11 started the progressive collapse—would still have led to a complete loss of the building if fire or damage from the falling debris of the nearby WTC 1 tower were not factors. The investigation team concluded that the column’s failure under any circumstance would have initiated the destructive sequence of events.



http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC_total__rept.pdf

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Patriot911]

So what do you personally claim is the "truth" about the 9/11 attacks? Be prepared to face the fact most of your fellow truthtards don't believe exactly what you believe no matter what you believe.

The truth of the matter is that we don't know everything we should know about what happened, and because of the cover ups, and omission of facts and circumstances, the logical conclusion is that a rouge element within the governments ranks, facilitated in the attacks.

Bullshit circular logic. We don't know everything we "need" to know, therefore there is a coverup and omissions. :roll:

There is evidence and you know it, from videos to witnesses, to scientific evidence. Don't pretend these people are just making stuff up.

No, those are opinions and bullshit. When you have to 'interpret' what you claim to see and hear, that isn't evidence.

You don't seem to know much about your government and what it has done in the past or what it is capable of.

Nice baseless ad hom. Why is it I am always correcting your sorry ass then?

Go ahead and show us all the endless lies then. Put up or stfu.

Hijackers are still alive. Proven lie. Not one hijacker has ever been found and the "alive hijackers" turned out to not match the pictures.
Energy weapons used to vaporize 90% of the tower. Proven lie.
No plane crashed in Shanksville. Proven lie. Truthtard opinions of the crash site are not evidence. Bodies were recovered and no reasonable alternate explanation has EVER been given by truthtards.
Bombs in the basement of the WTC. Proven lie. Slick willie's own testimony starts off with a "rumble" which, once slick willie wants more attention, becomes huge bombs going off. :roll:
Bombs going off in the core during the collapse. Proven lie. People IN THE CORE during the collapse didn't hear explosives.
Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon. Proven lie. Bodies and plane parts recovered from the Pentagon confirm the plane numerous witnesses saw crash into the Pentagon was Flight 77. No plausible alternate theory has ever been presented by truthtards.
Supposedly "credible" truthtards pretending Flight 77 did a 5 to 7 G turn. Proven lie.

Need I go on?

You're acknowledging the point I was trying to make, thank you idiot.

Only a fucking idiot truthtard would pretend agencies of the government lying about their actions on 9/11 and GETTING CAUGHT by the very government but not proving the government was behind it would call that the point they were trying to make.

Way to minimize. BTW read this part of my post again were I mention he did not come out saying it was an inside job.

The very fact he claims the opposite of what you do, yet you post him as evidence should be a HUGE red flag on just how desperate truthtards are for ANYONE to validate their bullshit.

The evidence that the official story and commission hearings were bogus come right from his own statements, are you denying he said this?

Yes. Did he say government agencies lied that day? Yes. Does he also say that the commission hearings came to the correct conclusion? Yes. Care to post where he says the commission hearings were bogus?

You proved and acknowledged my point yet again LOL..."the deception that actually did occur" You sir are stupid.

Not NEARLY as stupid as a truthtard who pretends that an agency lying to cover their ass MUST mean they are guilty of anything else truthtards dream up. Now THAT is retarded!

Again you are being disingenuous troll. Why would they deliberately try to deceive Mr. Farmer unless they had something to hide? You don't think much do you troll?

Sure I do. Unfortunately for pathetic truthtard like yourself, I do my thinking here in the real world. You ignorant sluts pretend the ONLY reason they would lie is because they were behind it. Mistakes were made on 9/11 by numerous agencies. It is human nature to try and cover mistakes and exaggerate the good.

Evidence that our government lied to the public is known by most people with internet access. Do your own homework you lazy fuck.

I am not here to prove your bullshit. You want to prove it? Go right ahead. But when you ask us to believe conclusions based on stuff you can't back up in the first place, most normal people are going to demand you first prove your claims. Not just that the government lied. ALL the claims like being behind 9/11. You've lied before. I've proven it. Yet I don't claim you were behind 9/11.

You agree with the point I made yet again!! We don't know every fact, your own words.. You suck at this soo bad!! I've looked at both sides of this argument, and the governments is sorely lacking in credibility.

Bullshit. You are WAY to ignorant of a fuck to be able to look at both sides. You've looked at the truthtard side and ran with it. And while we don't know every fact, we know the main points are true. You always seem to miss that point. I believe you were dropped a LOT as a child.

The evidence as is is being rejected here and around the world, because it wasn't all presented, and their story doesn't add up and no matter how much you pee your panties denying it, doesn't make it anymore truthful.

In order to reject evidence, you must present evidence the evidence is in some way faulty. Your fucked up retarded opinions are not evidence. They are fucked up retarded opinions. That is life. That is truth. Learn it. Live it.

There is evidence that they weren't truthful, and that is enough to place doubt on their version, it's as simple as that troll.

Simple as that for someone so simple they can't understand the truths of reality. The rest of us understand the big picture and don't pretend lying for one reason MUST mean they are lying about being behind 9/11.

You are forgetting how hard the previous administration tried to link Saddam to Al-CIA-duh...2 wars in 2 countries. Your spin job sucks troll.

Wrong yet again. Was Saddam investigated for links? Sure. It would be irresponsible for doing so. No credible link was found. The Bush administration repeatedly acknowledged this fact. The reasons for war in Iraq did NOT include links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. You've been exposed yet again as a blatant liar. Merry Christmas, douchebag!

This statement sums up your low class attempt of responding with any intelligence, but a super job of proving my point of the divisiveness that 9-11 has caused

You wouldn't know intelligence if it came up and bit you on the ass. And get off your high horse. Almost every one of your posts is a low class piece of bullshit repleat with name calling.

You obviously do! LOL

Nope. You're wrong yet again. I don't give a shit what you think. I also don't give a shit if I change your mind. You're to fucking stupid for anyone to do that. I am writing to make sure nobody else actually falls for your obvious bullshit.

Prove it then, make a list like you do for Santa little troll..LOL! What a childish little bitch response!

You know your lies. I point them out. Hell, just read this post. You'll see tons of them.

Your repugnance shines through like always. All one has to do is read your past posts to realize what you say about others is a self reflection about yourself. You know my post and statements are correct, but you don't have the capacity to rebuke them in any intelligent manner so you resort to spin, lies, and school yard name calling in hopes it lifts your self esteem.

Bullshit. You know it. I know it. I doubt you've fooled anyone else.

You know there is proof of the government lying, and you get your panties in a bind over it. You even admitted we don't know everything there is to know you stupid idiot!! They governments lies and cover ups are the basis for people doubting them, it is everywhere and you damn well know it, you're a joke and a disgrace

Want to know a disgrace? Look in a mirror. You will see a traitor and a shitty excuse for an American staring back. Pretending that the government lying about ANYTHING other than being behind 9/11 is proof they were behind 9/11 is so absolutely retarded it is amazing you have survived this long without someone telling you when to breath. If the government was behind 9/11, you would have EVIDENCE other than your retarded claims they are lying. That is the way the judicial system works. You don't go off unsubstantiated claims. You have to have evidence. Over NINE YEARS LATER and you fucking retards don't have one shred of evidence that would hold up in a court of law. That is PATHETIC!!!! I bet you are so proud of this fact!

Misleading others by spinning what the intent of the statement really means, is the mark of a true pussy with nothing intelligent to counter with. You are really pathetic at this

Awwww.... are you upset I exposed your bullshit yet again? Sucks to be you! Truthtards have tried time and time again to deal with the details. They've fallen flat on their face every time, so like true pussies, they try to pretend one has to look at the whole and ignore the details. Try again, ya jackwagon!

This is ludicrous and further proves to people that you have no capacity to speak with any common sense. Your making an ass out of your self by assuming the outcome of something you clearly know nothing about.

The fact you are running away from the points I am making should show anyone reading this just what a piece of shit liar you are. You and your fellow truthtard BLATANTLY ignore evidence another investigation CAN'T ignore. They will come to the same conclusions the other investigations did. So explain to us why we should spend hundreds of millions MORE dollars on something you will ignore?

It is precisely the problem with the facts and evidence that has caused this whole argument. Geez you are either stupid, willfully ignorant, or on the low end of the disinformation troll ladder. If someone chose "all the above" about you, they'd be right.

We hear truthtards like you claiming over and over again they have tons of evidence, yet EVERY SINGLE REQUEST I've made to produce us with one piece of real evidence results in the same bullshit from truthtards every time. "OOH! There is TONS out there! Just believe us! We wouldn't lie to you!" And again, I say bullshit!

Again asswipe there is plenty of evidence. Go and study the arguments and disputes about 9-11 before you come back here and keep making an ass out of yourself, you are really sad on this topic. No one will attempt to show you all the evidence because someone with a true interest of the topic at hand will know at least the basics of it already. You needing to be led by the hand like a little bitch is pathetic. You apparently don't have the balls to learn about what all the fuss is about.

So name one. Name one piece of evidence that would hold up in a court of law. Quit running away you flaming pussy! Stand up and be a man for once!

Wow you have no clue about anything do you? You aren't worth the time it would take to explain this to. Go ask your legal guardian, troll.

Yup. Just what I thought. You got caught making inane bullshit claims you can't back up. What a retard!

Again evidence is everywhere, you asking for proof solidifies what a troll you really are. Why don't YOU show your evidence that they are lying or rebuttal something with some human intelligence?. Because you can't therefore you wont and never have since you signed on here.

I show evidence all the time that you truthtards run away from without any explanation. Want me to post the video that shows the collapse of WTC 7 from a few blocks away where you can here the collapse, but HEAR NO EXPLOSIONS? There is a good piece of hard evidence that shows no explosives were used to bring down WTC 7.

So what do you have you fucking liar? Run away again, little bitch. You've been owned yet again.

They both are cut from the same cloth. You would know this about the 2 party system if you took the time to learn anything instead of spouting off like child.

Nice excuse, but not worth a plug nickel. Care to try again?

True as long as there are cowards in denial like you that are being given birth to instead of a proper abortion, but yet another weak response from a weak pussy. Apparently you don't mind bending over anytime anyone asks you to.

Yeah, I knew you wouldn't have any decent response for this either. All you have left is bullshit. I've reduced you to a blathering idiot!

I said they have nothing to gain financially by getting a new investigation, big difference from what you are purposely spinning here, proving again that you are the obvious lying asshole. Troll

They get sheep like you to want a new investigation THEY know will never happen. They have to give you something they KNOW won't happen in order to whip you retards up into a frenzy so you'll buy their books and videos.

You are the biggest asshole that I have ever come across anywhere on any forum.

Oh come on. Quit being so modest! You're a FAR bigger asshole than I am! I'm not the one using 3,000 fellow American deaths to push an anti-government agenda. To be fair, you're NOT the biggest asshole I've seen. I've seen worse. Keep practicing though! I am sure you will get better unless you explode from pure frustration.

Your response proves what a lack of brains you have.You aren't smart enough to understand what you attempt to read I guess. Here's a clue.. read shit thoroughly before you reply.

Funny how you claim I am the one without brains, yet you can't actually respond to what I wrote. All you have is pathetic excuses and attacks. Very telling.

And what agenda might that be. OMG you are a conspiracy theorist! LOL!

It is an anti-government agenda. What.... you thought we couldn't see through your bullshit? You were wrong yet again.

Prove it and motive while your at it.

So you're actually going to try and claim you're NOT here trying to prove you are credible and your claims are true? Wow! What a revelation! Why the fuck ARE you here then? I love it when truthtards step all over their own dicks trying to get out of their own way.

...who benefited the most from the 9-11 attacks was the question.

Directly? Richard Gage, Alex Jones et. al.

Look it is obvious you know nothing about what your talking about. Your sissy techniques and disingenuous lies are quite obvious to any person with a brain. You are a pathetic angry little fool with no friends, no common sense and no life. I am not here to play babysitter and lead you around this topic. You are a waste of time and offer nothing that resembles a mature debate, I have no more time for you and your little girl fits. You can't even read a post without fucking it up and your responses follow suit. There is nothing to be gained or learned about the topic of the attacks on our nation from a troll like you and you are an obvious troll.

Now that you're done with your mental masturbation, do you feel better? Probably not. Frustrations such as yours tend to linger. You still haven't been able to address my points. Sucks to be you! Merry Christmas ya fucking dick!

 

[Mr. Jones]

Who's "official story" are you referring to in the first place?

The NIST and 9/11 commission reports

Those are vague speculative reports, not "official stories", you fucking dumbass!

Are you too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

It is a widely held belief that what the government put out as an explanation for what happened is the official story, that propelled the nation to go to war. It was trusted and believed and later was found to be flawed, hence the call for a new investigation. To minimize the flaws as mere screw ups is wishful thinking.

 

[Patriot911]

The NIST and 9/11 commission reports

Those are vague speculative reports, not "official stories", you fucking dumbass!

Are you too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

It is a widely held belief that what the government put out as an explanation for what happened is the official story, that propelled the nation to go to war. It was trusted and believed and later was found to be flawed, hence the call for a new investigation. To minimize the flaws as mere screw ups is wishful thinking.

So show us your hard evidence the flaws were not screwups and malicious in nature. I know you never actually post evidence and instead only prefer to make unsubstantiated claims, but seriously. If you expect people to actually believe your crap, the least you can do is provide real evidence.

Then again, if you had real evidence instead of stories you jack off to, you would already have your new investigation.

 

[Patriot911]

Kinda like all the names Eots and buddies throw around. If you do any research you quickly learn that these LEARNED men almost uniformly do NOT support the troofers.

name...one
James Farmer and Thomas Kean to name two. How many times have we seen truthtards pretend quotes DURING the investigation MUST apply to the finished product.

well you are way off on that it was the towers and is was not the insulation and you are completely off on the fact that Dr q just wanted that corrected or thay was not all criticizes of the NIST report...he flat out calls for a new investigation regardless of his opinion on controlled demolition//its you that makes the false claims

Summary: James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is
questionable."

Cherry picking quotes does not cut it, eots. I've read Quintiere's paper. Have you? He never claims explosives were used. Doesn't even MENTION explosives. Therefore he directly refutes the truthtard bullshit.

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer blah blah blah

So this guy is a fighter pilot. Why is he preteding to be some kind of experts on the buildings? I suppose next you're going to trot out an engineer who pretends to know about the plane maneuvers.

NOT a single troofer has presented us with facts or figures on how many floors of the two trade Centers and building 7 would have had to be rigged for explosives to validate THEIR claim explosives were used.

A SINGLE BLAST TO COLUMN 79 WAS ALL THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE ACCORDING TO NIST

You pretend the NIST report is inaccurate. Either accept it or dismiss it. Don't cherry pick.

TRUTHTARDS pretend every single column of WTC 7 had to be wired for explosives for it to fall in free fall. That is what YOU fucktards believe. Not us.

So how about addressing the question? How many floors / columns would need to be wired in the towers and in WTC 7 would need to be wired with explosives?

 

[HUGGY]

How special! Those with no ability to think independently think they make the rules of inquiry. No you don't assholes. You are just spectators like everyone else. Get over your pathetic ass licking government report apologist selves. You call no shots..you make no rules.

 

[Patriot911]

How special! Those with no ability to think independently think they make the rules of inquiry. No you don't assholes. You are just spectators like everyone else. Get over your pathetic ass licking government report apologist selves. You call no shots..you make no rules.

Like you pathetic truthtards like to pretend you do? So why haven't you ineffective pricks gotten your new investigation yet? You certainly whine about it a lot. Must be all you shitheads are good for.

So show us where one doesn't have to have evidence an investigation is in some way fundamentally flawed in order for a new investigation to be called. Go ahead. We'll wait.

You've got nothing. I know it. You know it. Everyone else knows it. Whining like a little bitch because you won't get an investigation you would ignore ANYWAY only makes you look like the petulant little children that you are.

 

[Mr. Jones]

What they do claim is that some piece of the investigation got something slightly wrong and they want it corrected.

Something slightly wrong? There are at least 100 discrepancies or omissions that David Griffin found.

The pilots they cite , none of them say that the flight in Washington DC could not have done what it did, what they say is that it was strange behavior for a plane to do and that possibly a more experienced pilot would be needed.

But they claim that Hanjour was the pilot, and notes that Hani Hanjour's pilot application was rejected, and that he was a terrible pilot, on the one hand, but asserts that he was the operation's most experienced pilot, and piloted Flight 77 through a 330-degree spiral dive maneuver, on the other. Were the planes controlled remotely? That might explain it.

BUT reality is that a Plane, its crew, its passengers all vanished on 9/11 and the plane debris is located in the hole in the Pentagon along with DNA evidence and body parts of the missing crew and passengers.

Yes this appears to be a strong appeal to authority for people to believe who ever did the DNA can be trusted but the crash sites were designated as federal crime scenes, so federal authorities could control access and supervise recovery of remains. To accept it as valid one must work off pure unadulterated faith in the government. It is alleged that the individuals who analyzed the DNA are not the same people who allegedly recovered it from the Pentagon. Would a court of law accept DNA analysis reports that were conducted solely by the defendant? Isn't it true that they couldn't find 90% of the plane metal but they found 99% of the passengers and crew?. This flesh and bone had to travel through the plane that disintegrated upon impact. Keep in mind that I'm just pointing out discrepancies that should be addressed by the new investigation that is being called for. I'm not claiming to know it all.

In Pennsylvania we have a couple people insisting a plane that size could not belly flop in the hole presented. Totally ignoring the fact the plane came in at a steep angle. Totally ignoring that the cockpit debris and human remains were found in the woods just a short way away. Ignoring the fact that 95 percent of the aircraft was dug up from that hole. Ignoring the fact the plane crashed into an old land fill where the ground was soft to begin with. Ignoring the fact that AGAIN, the DNA evidence and human remains all belonged to crew and passengers on THAT flight.

This is another instance that questions the official account. In question is the wide displacement of the plane's debris. Is it true a piece of one engine weighing one ton was found 2,000 yards away? Other remains of the plane were found two miles away near a town called Indian Lake. Why is that? The paper debris eight miles away? Was there a bomb on board or was it shot down? What about the alleged phone call from a passenger in the toilet of the plane. He said he believed the plane was going down. He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where. And the air-traffic controllers in Cleveland who tracked the last minutes of Flight 93 on radar that have been forbidden by the authorities to speak publicly about what they saw on their screens. The FBI has confiscated the tape of the conversation and the operator Glen Cramer has received orders not to speak to the media any more. Again I'm just sayin' these are things that plant the seed of doubt and why people are questioning the official version. If you can help clear this up I am willing to have an open mind and look at your view in a respectable manner.

NOT a single troofer has presented us with facts or figures on how many floors of the two trade Centers and building 7 would have had to be rigged for explosives to validate THEIR claim explosives were used. The only supposed evidence they give of explosions is the cloud debris from when the upper floors crashed into the lower floors at the start of the collapse and a couple people that claim they heard explosions near the bottom of the building. All explained away with the actual findings.

The actual findings that demand the governments version be held as the truth of what happened are being questioned. I think the fact that remnants of thermite or nano thermite was alleged to have been found and published by reputable people should be looked at further and reason alone to open this back up. Again there is contradicting evidence that what we were told may not be true or correct, why not put this all to rest by an independent new investigation?

The there is the missile claim. No one can explain how if a missile was used on the Pentagon, where the plane, crew and passengers went. No one can provide any evidence of explosive materials in the ruins of the Pentagon. No one can explain what type of missile makes the damage pattern in evidence at the Pentagon. And of course none of them can explain where the mystery missile came from, what it was fired from or who exactly fired it. Nor can they explain away the body parts the DNA or the air craft wreckage recovered there.

Perhaps if the government would agree to another open and independent look at things they would answer these for you and me. Why is the government running away from such a challenge if it is so confident in its version? Saying that these folks are kooks and just excusing their concerns by calling them liars, is no excuse to run away from such a challenge and not really answering anything.
What I find confusing is why the hijackers avoided targets that would inflict more severe damage and deaths like the Indian Point nuclear power plant?

 

[Mr. Jones]

Is this not being considered as proof of evidence?


AE911Truth Delivers the Evidence to the Media: Press Conference - National Press Club ? Washington DC
If not, then please explain?

 

[Mr. Jones]

Her's a small list I found of curiosities concerning the attacks, if anyone can address these I will gladly listen to your explanations and discuss them in a respectable manner.

* The hijacked flights all flew long routes taking them far from their targets exposing them to certain interception given standard operating procedures.
* The towering infernos were said to burn with intense heat, despite sooty black smoke and few visible flames.
* The building collapses were presented as inevitable, even though such behavior was unheard of in steel structures.
* Flight 93 was confidently portrayed as a crash due to a struggle, despite strong evidence it was shot down.
* An extensive paper trail of the hijackers was found within hours of the attack, even though the same people had supposedly eluded authorities for years.
* The same hijackers who pulled off aerobatic maneuvers with large jets were flight school flunkies who had never flown jets.
* The FBI claimed that the passport from one of Flight 11's hijackers was found blocks from the towers (when the only other parts of the jetliner that penetrated the tower were a few pieces of landing gear).
* Several hijackers turned up alive after the attack.
* 1000 bodies vanished at Ground Zero, despite DNA identification procedures that could identify individuals from small fragments of bodies.
* Flight 77 crashed into Wedge 1 of the Pentagon -- the one portion of the building that was sparsely occupied due to undergoing renovations, which included blast-hardening of the exterior walls.
* The supposedly fanatically devout Muslim hijackers were fond of strip bars.
* The video of Osama bin Laden that has him taking credit for the attack doesn't even look like him.