It's the Government-Not the Truther

[DiveCon]

hey diaper boy, join here and take it up with them

Airline Pilot Central Forums

 

[eots]

Sure you did. Is that before or after you saw the unicorn?



Gee, and the weak student crashed.

Any word on what took down the light poles if it wasn't AA77 dickhead? No? Carry on.

diaper boy is an idiot
757's and 767's are "fly by wire"
thus they would be EASIER to fly than a Cessna

take off/landing, now thats a different story
but sonce they didnt need to take off, and had no intentions of landing, they didnt need to LEARN those

The guy crashed; they all did. Hardly the mark of a great pilot.
Truthers seem to adore hijackers and terrorists which always makes me wonder why they don't take their proof to the courts and have their Brother Zack's conviction overturned.

you wonder that because you have a agenda and will distort reality to no end to maintain it.....it took ten of thousands and years of courts just to get the slivers of information released ..there would of been no investigation at all if left up to the government

 

[DiveCon]

only a someone not interested in reality would reply that the planes crashed so the flt maneuvers were easy

dipshit, none of the movements were that difficult

 

[eots]

only a someone not interested in reality would reply that the planes crashed so the flt maneuvers were easy

dipshit, none of the movements were that difficult

want to quote a credible source that states so

 

[DiveCon]

only a someone not interested in reality would reply that the planes crashed so the flt maneuvers were easy

dipshit, none of the movements were that difficult

want to quote a credible source that states so

you can look at the paths and see
but if you doubt that, i posted a link to a professional pilots forum
go ask em'

 

[eots]

dipshit, none of the movements were that difficult

want to quote a credible source that states so

you can look at the paths and see
but if you doubt that, i posted a link to a professional pilots forum
go ask em'

so another no I cant...ok

 

[DiveCon]

want to quote a credible source that states so

you can look at the paths and see
but if you doubt that, i posted a link to a professional pilots forum
go ask em'

so another no I cant...ok

dipshit, it would be a waste of time for me to dig it up again
you are pathetic and no amount of proof will save you from your delusions

 

[eots]

dipshit, none of the movements were that difficult

want to quote a credible source that states so

you can look at the paths and see
but if you doubt that, i posted a link to a professional pilots forum
go ask em'

hey diaper boy, join here and take it up with them

airline pilot central forums

why are you trying to deceptively imply that they support your argument ??

 

[DiveCon]

want to quote a credible source that states so

you can look at the paths and see
but if you doubt that, i posted a link to a professional pilots forum
go ask em'

hey diaper boy, join here and take it up with them

airline pilot central forums

why are you trying to deceptively imply that they support your argument ??

dipshit, i never said anything of the sort
but you can try and join and ask
i bet you dont last past your first post
LOL

 

[Mr. Jones]

Something slightly wrong? There are at least 100 discrepancies or omissions that David Griffin found.

And he has absolutely zero evidence to back up his bullshit.

The point is that there are numerous omissions, and discrepancies, with the agencies that did the investigation, and the 9-11 commission, to cause doubt of the official version of events. They even admit this. That is a fact. That is why another look at this is warranted, and people are pushing for it. There is enough evidence of this if you look, it's not that hard. What is so hard to understand about that? Nothing, once you put your anger and hate to rest and look at the claims objectively. David Ray Griffins list of lies and or omissions can be proven in the 9-11 commission report itself.

Hanjour already had a COMMERCIAL pilot's license in 1999 from the US FAA. A commercial pilot's license is harder to get than a standard pilot's license. As for the 330 degree spiral maneuver, what you truthtards always neglect to say is it took him THREE MINUTES to do the turn.

The debate of whether Hanjour was skilled enough to fly a commercial airliner or not, is not, and will not be put to rest by OCTAs or Truthers, and is yet another reason to look at this again with testimony from both sides.
This is a man who, three weeks before September 11, attempted to rent a Cessna at an airfield in Maryland. Suspicious of his dubious 'pilot's license', officials at the airfield insisted he take a chaperoned test-flight before rental would be approved. Thereby rejecting his pilots license It is said that he failed his test flight miserably.
The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia

Sunbird Flight Services residents at Chandler Municipal Airport.
After he got his license, Quote:
"Hanjour reportedly applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah after returning home, but was rejected." Commission Report
So Hanjour went to the United States in 1999 and received his certificate, but came home and still couldn't land a job with the airline."
Hani Hanjour Reloaded (alleged Pentagon terrorist pilot), page 1
/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A11FD35550C778CDDAC0894DA404482
Hani Hanjour and Flight 77's Unexplained Expert Maneuvers
If anyone has managed to locate the license link it, otherwise expecting people to take the defendants word isn't going to cut it, and the basis for the disagreement the people against the OCT have.
What you are purposefully leaving out is that there is also a conflict of opinion about the final approach maneuver, specifically the decent and pull up, taking into account the height of the aircraft at the time. Like I stated before, I don't claim to know it all as you seem to do, so for a better understanding about the specifics of the argument you can start by looking at this.
NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT - View Video Presentation - 9/11 Pentagon Attack Witnesses

Nice speculation. Any evidence to back up that bullshit? No? Didn't think so.

Not speculation just a hard fact easily found if you gave a shit enough to look instead of running your lying mouth. Do you care enough about your country to do that? Don't bother answering that we all know you don't.

In the case of the Pentagon, the ACFD had a physically massive structure that houses critical national security components. It is situated in Arlington County, Virginia, but it falls under the direct control of the Department of Defense (DoD). Its own law enforcement organization, Defense Protective Service (DPS), controls access. The federal fire department, located at Fort Myer, maintains a crash unit at the Pentagon heliport that is staffed by three firefighters during normal business hours. It is left on-site and can be staffed and used the remainder of the time. In addition, the Pentagon was deemed a crime scene and, by virtue of Presidential Decision Directive (PDD)-39, fell under the direct responsibility of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The complex relationship among the involved organizations tested the effectiveness of the ICS. THE PENTAGON ATTACK ON 9-11: ARLINGTON COUNTY (VA) FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE - Fire Engineering

To automatically reject it without any evidence of wrong doing is called paranoid delusions.

On the contrary there is good reason to reject the OCT if you would bother to look at the history of the country you live in. One of the lies that was told to the public for going to war in the past was the Gulf of Tonkin incident. to name just one for now. Crying and bitching about others legitimate concerns without knowing what their reasons are are the signs of a person who doesn't have a clue about the argument, or their own government. Weak very weak

The people that did the DNA analysis is one of the most respected and trusted agencies and their results are used in courts of law all over the place. Why is it you don't know this when you pretend you're so smart and educated? Fucking liar!

That is your opinion, but then again you conclude that the money Rumsfeld said was unaccounted for, isn't really missing, but we still don't know where it is LOL. Fucking stooge, Besides this is another point of contention that could be cleared up with a real independent investigation That would show chain of custody of these alleged DNA samples, the scientists who allegedly analyzed the DNA and turned up matches -- if that did happen -- have no way of knowing whether or not it actually came from the Pentagon.

What are you talking about? Pulling "facts" out of your ass again?
If you're talking about Flight 11 and 175, no, they didn't find all the passengers and crew. Not even close.
If you're talking about Flight 93, they recovered DNA evidence for everyone and 95% of the plane.
If you're talking about Flight 77, they recovered DNA evidence for everyone, and most of the plane.

No I'm talking about the Pentagon. Hardly any plane parts, almost disintegrated, intense heat that would destroy DNA. It is argued that the plane that allegedly hit the pentagon has never been fully identified? In other words the fact that little remains of the plane were found because of the speed of impact and obliterating damage done to it on impact, contradicts the ability to positively ID the victims by DNA through undamaged body tissue. Plane totally destroyed beyond positive recognition, but the bodies weren't? This is questionable, but I'm sure the conflict would be put to rest and resolved in a new investigation. As far as doubting your government is capable of doing away with its own citizens, look up Operation Northwoods.

Are you aware of just how little a piece of tissue or bone they need to do a DNA test?

Assuming the heat to the tissue doesn't damage the proteins to do one, very little.

Of course it's not true. Why do you constantly try to bullshit like that? Try 300 yards.

Popular Mechanics is not a credible source try again.
The article's approach is to identify and attack a series of claims which it asserts represent the whole of 9/11 skepticism. It gives the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the breadth of challenges to the official account of the flights, the World Trade Center attack, and the Pentagon attack. Meanwhile it entirely ignores vast bodies of evidence showing that only insiders had the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out the attack.
The article gives no hint of the put options on the targeted airlines, warnings received by government and corporate officials, complicit behavior by top officials, obstruction of justice by a much larger group, or obvious frauds in the official story. Instead it attacks a mere 16 claims of its choosing, which it asserts are the "most prevalent" among "conspiracy theorists."
Popular Mechanics Attacks the "9/11 LIES" Straw Man
Popular Mechanics Does 9/11

A debris field covering eight miles when dealing with paper is not unusal and has happened in the past. Funny you never bothered to check that fact and instead just pretend it is proof of something.

It is a legitimate concern implying that the plane might have been shot down and ripped apart before crashing were it did. Debris was also found washing up on a lake 2.5 miles away. The FBI was skeptical of reports of plane debris but couldn't deny it when they looked for themselves.
The Pennsylvania state police said debris from the crash has shown up about 8 miles away in a residential area where local media quoted some residents as seeing flaming debris from the sky.
But investigators were unwilling to say whether the presence of debris in two separate places evinced an explosion.
http://www.eastandard.net/eahome/story15092001004.htm
Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.
United Flight 93 Secondary Debris Field
Perhaps you should take your own advice and look at the facts yourself.

According to all available evidence, it was flown into the ground by the terrorists to prevent the passengers from retaking the plane. Anyone else find it interesting truthtards only give two possible explanations? They're such dishonest pricks!

The dishonest prick is you. It is proven by your posts. According to all available evidence, there are reasons to doubt the planes actual demise. Flight recordings of the hijacker mentioning a bomb on board leads people to speculate there was one. Lying to yourself and making believe these people have absolutely no grounds to doubt the cover up story, makes you look like a lying coward, that can't face reality.

More bullshit from the truthtards. The guy's name is Edward Felt. He talked to 9/11 operator John Shaw In Westmoreland PA. No mention of smoke or explosions according to John Shaw.

No, more lies and bullshit from a proven lying troll. You really make obvious what a POS lying government kissass you are. You are afraid to face the facts, you are a coward. Here asshole read it and to try to comprehend that you are proving the point of the original topic of this thread, that there are controversies that require a new investigation to clear the fuck up!
(“FBI Does Not Rule Out Shootdown of Pennsylvania Plane,” Reuters, September 13, 2001)
Glenn Cramer, a supervisor at the 911 center, hears Shaw responding to the caller, “You are what hijacked?” and consequently picks up a phone that allows him to listen in on the rest of Felt’s call.
The man repeatedly said the call was not a hoax, said dispatch supervisor Glenn Cramer in neighboring Westmoreland County.
"We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!" Cramer quoted the man from a transcript of the call.
The man told dispatchers the plane "was going down. He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane and we lost contact with him," Cramer said.
CNN.com - Hijacked passenger called 911 on cell phone - September 11, 2001

Really? Care to back that up?

In various accounts of the flight 93 tragedy it is mentioned that the Cleveland controllers are forbidden to discuss it.
Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93 - Americas, World - The Independent
Once again you have to be led by the hand when it comes to obtaining information.

Glen Cramer was the supervisor, not the operator. Anyone else surprised truthtards are still lying their asses off?

Maybe he is his supervisor for a reason, like paying closer attention to details such as this. You want people to believe that a man with a supervisor title is not someone they can trust? He listened in on the conversation! Can you not understand how absolutely stupid you look? Fuck it you are a hopelessly pathetic troll and this is just another example of Parott 9-11s intentional deceit. Classic bullshit from a proven liar.

So lie after lie after lie is what you're basing your doubts on? How retarded.

Yes you delusional lazy lying asswipe. Lies your government has told you! The doubters of the OCT base their arguments on facts, inconsistencies, omissions, distortions, the commission report, NIST, FEMA, witnesses, videos, history, military personnel, scientists, the FBI...You expect citizens to believe a coward, OCTA pole swallower like you instead of the vast amount of credible people that have spoken out? You are a delusional fucking idiot, go back to your ward and ring for the nurse, you need your meds, you fucking stupid ass.

Yeah, right.

I have looked at your skewed view and addressed them to the best of my ability in as much respect you have accorded me. Try being civil and you would be treated the same way, but knowing you we'll never find that out will we?

The people you should be questioning are the conspiratard sites that are constantly lying to you. Then again, you should be doing your own research into the facts vs. just swallowing whole whatever comes out of the conspiratard sites.

Take your own advice and open what little bitty mind you have. Learn about the things that are being argued. It is you that can't or wont even admit that what you believe is told to you by a proven lying government is a fabricated conspiracy theory, Tell you what.. tell us how many times in the past the people you are calling liars, have actually lied to you, as opposed to how many times the government and your elected officials have lied to you. It wont even come close with an honest observation. But then again you are not an honest person, not to yourself, or anyone else.

They never made that claim. Their final claim was that they found "active thermitic material", not thermite or nano thermite.

Everything has to be spelled out for you. Talk about cherry picking LOL, The fucking claim is this-
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
There's more to learn about this topic so search for yourself. Like I said this alone should be considered a major point in seeking a new investigation.

Because an investigation is going to have to actually look at ALL the evidence and not cherry pick the evidence like you fuckers do. That means they will come to the same conclusions and we all know how you truthtards ignore anything and everything that doesn't fit into your theories. Therefore it will be a waste of time and effort while re-opening old wounds. And for what? Ungrateful little bitches who will ignore the results. No thank you!

You still assuming like the scared little OCTA you are. You are saying the exact thing the other side is saying "because an investigation is going to have to actually look at ALL the evidence and not cherry pick the evidence like you fuckers do" You will never know what the actual outcome will be, and you assuming it comes out the same is lame. You do too much assuming and not enough actual thinking and searching for the truth. I would rather waste time then more lives and treasure, but you don't give a shit about our people dying, you just want to be right at all cost. If it is discovered that we were all lied to and the truth comes out, you will probably deny it to your last breath because you are the kind of asshole that would rather stick his head up his ass, rather then accept it. The reasons for your refusal to accept the possibility that your government is fucking you over can be found here. I think you should read it and be honest with yourself for a change.
The Truth is Not Enough: How to Overcome Emotional Barriers to 9/11 Truth - 911truth.org

The government isn't running from anything. All you need to do is actually come up with some evidence your bullshit is true and a judge might order a new investigation. As it is, you fucks don't have dick. THAT is why you don't have a new investigation.

The government didn't even want to investigate the first time, naturally they don't want the truth to be told to the public. Imagine the upheaval it will cause? It isn't being reinvestigated because of the severe repercussions it will have on our entire system, and way of life, not because of lack of evidence you stupid motherfucker!
They have taken control of the people, we have let it happen, and its precisely because of the kind of attitude you have, and pussy fucks like you.

You can't answer anything if the shitheads have their heads so far up their asses they can't hear anything. Seriously. What makes you think ANYONE actually believes you would listen to any investigation that doesn't tell you what you want to hear?

We need to find out then don't we? If you are so confident then why not welcome a new look? Because you know damn well there is shit they lied about, your just a pussy that can't face it.

What I find confusing is why the hijackers avoided targets that would inflict more severe damage and deaths like the Indian Point nuclear power plant?

Because they wanted to attack America's symbols. The towers were the symbols of America's financial might. The Pentagon was the symbol of America's military might. Are you seriously so retarded you can't google questions?[/QUOTE

Oh bullshit, a strike on the nuclear plant would have fucked this country up even worse considering the high death count and damage radiation can do. If you can't see the specific value of the targets they selected and think it was because the WTC was a symbol of America, you are sorely drunk with stupidity. They could have divebombed the white house, and certainly damaged the pentagon a lot worse, but no the part that had the most accountants was what these treasonous fucks wanted.

Once again the point of this thread has been made clear by your replies, and adding your obvious stupidity for all to see yet again is a bonus.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Sure you did. Is that before or after you saw the unicorn?



Gee, and the weak student crashed.

Any word on what took down the light poles if it wasn't AA77 dickhead? No? Carry on.

diaper boy is an idiot
757's and 767's are "fly by wire"
thus they would be EASIER to fly than a Cessna

take off/landing, now thats a different story
but sonce they didnt need to take off, and had no intentions of landing, they didnt need to LEARN those

The guy crashed; they all did. Hardly the mark of a great pilot.
Truthers seem to adore hijackers and terrorists which always makes me wonder why they don't take their proof to the courts and have their Brother Zack's conviction overturned.

But you all say he was a great pilot and capable of performing all the fancy flying....? So was he a good pilot for that, but a bad pilot for crashing? You people are a fucking joke.

 

[candycorn]

diaper boy is an idiot
757's and 767's are "fly by wire"
thus they would be EASIER to fly than a Cessna

take off/landing, now thats a different story
but sonce they didnt need to take off, and had no intentions of landing, they didnt need to LEARN those

The guy crashed; they all did. Hardly the mark of a great pilot.
Truthers seem to adore hijackers and terrorists which always makes me wonder why they don't take their proof to the courts and have their Brother Zack's conviction overturned.

But you all say he was a great pilot and capable of performing all the fancy flying....? So was he a good pilot for that, but a bad pilot for crashing? You people are a fucking joke.

Don' know who "you all" is. I know I didn't say that. I suspect you're pulling that out of your ass. Typical twoofer. I posted a message for you earlier today. Whats the matter? Cat got your tongue?

 

[DiveCon]

diaper boy is an idiot
757's and 767's are "fly by wire"
thus they would be EASIER to fly than a Cessna

take off/landing, now thats a different story
but sonce they didnt need to take off, and had no intentions of landing, they didnt need to LEARN those

The guy crashed; they all did. Hardly the mark of a great pilot.
Truthers seem to adore hijackers and terrorists which always makes me wonder why they don't take their proof to the courts and have their Brother Zack's conviction overturned.

But you all say he was a great pilot and capable of performing all the fancy flying....? So was he a good pilot for that, but a bad pilot for crashing? You people are a fucking joke.

what "fancy flying" all the fuckers crashed

 

[Patriot911]

The point is that there are numerous omissions, and discrepancies, with the agencies that did the investigation, and the 9-11 commission, to cause doubt of the official version of events. They even admit this. That is a fact. That is why another look at this is warranted, and people are pushing for it. There is enough evidence of this if you look, it's not that hard. What is so hard to understand about that? Nothing, once you put your anger and hate to rest and look at the claims objectively. David Ray Griffins list of lies and or omissions can be proven in the 9-11 commission report itself.

Wrong again, sheep boy! DRG makes his living off lying to sheep like you. How many books has he written on 9/11 now that all say pretty much the same thing? DRG is a KNOWN PROVEN liar. THAT is why I want evidence his bullshit is true and not just his or your "good word" on it because you're BOTH liars. Your word isn't worth SHIT.

The debate of whether Hanjour was skilled enough to fly a commercial airliner or not, is not, and will not be put to rest by OCTAs or Truthers, and is yet another reason to look at this again with testimony from both sides.

Why? The EVIDENCE is there that he flew the plane and there is no reason to think he couldn't. He spent time in a 737 professional simulator. He knew the controls enough to fly. He didn't have to do all that much. So once again it boils down to believing the word of known proven liars like yourself that he just wasn't good enough. That isn't good enough.

This is a man who, three weeks before September 11, attempted to rent a Cessna at an airfield in Maryland. Suspicious of his dubious 'pilot's license', officials at the airfield insisted he take a chaperoned test-flight before rental would be approved. Thereby rejecting his pilots license It is said that he failed his test flight miserably.
The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia

Your link, like your brain, is broken.

Sunbird Flight Services residents at Chandler Municipal Airport.
After he got his license, Quote:
"Hanjour reportedly applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah after returning home, but was rejected." Commission Report
So Hanjour went to the United States in 1999 and received his certificate, but came home and still couldn't land a job with the airline."

AND? I know several pilots looking to get jobs with airlines. The fact they have not been able to doesn't mean they're not pilots, ya dumb fuck! The FACT of the matter is that Hanjour HAD HIS COMMERCIAL LICENSE. You cannot get one without knowing how to fly. He may not have been good at it, but that doesn't mean he did not know how to fly.

Hani Hanjour and Flight 77's Unexplained Expert Maneuvers
Nice link. Let me show just how "trustworthy" it is:

Regarding your comments on flight simulators, several of my colleagues and I have tried to simulate the 'hijacker's' final approach maneuvers into the towers on our company 767 simulator. We tried repeated tight, steeply banked 180 turns at 500 mph followed by a fast rollout and lineup with a tall building. More than two-thirds of those who attempted the maneuver failed to make a 'hit'. How these rookies who couldn't fly a trainer pulled this off is beyond comprehension."

The FDR clearly shows the turn started at 290kts and dropped from there. It also showed the plane never even got much over a fifteen degree bank. It took Hanjour over THREE MINUTES to make the 330 degree turn to line up with the Pentagon. Think about that one and try to pretend it was oh so hard to do. :roll:

If anyone has managed to locate the license link it, otherwise expecting people to take the defendants word isn't going to cut it, and the basis for the disagreement the people against the OCT have.

I see. You fucktards never have to produce evidence, yet you demand everyone else produce evidence. Nobody but you is denying the FAA has records of Hanjour having a commercial pilot's license. But let's say you're right and he never received his CPL from the FAA. This fact was reported in the 9/11 commission report. Why hasn't the FAA stepped forward and corrected the 9/11 commission report?

What you are purposefully leaving out is that there is also a conflict of opinion about the final approach maneuver, specifically the decent and pull up, taking into account the height of the aircraft at the time. Like I stated before, I don't claim to know it all as you seem to do, so for a better understanding about the specifics of the argument you can start by looking at this.

Hard evidence will trump eye witnesses every time. They had the FDR and radar records that show the exact approach to the Pentagon.

Not speculation just a hard fact easily found if you gave a shit enough to look instead of running your lying mouth. Do you care enough about your country to do that? Don't bother answering that we all know you don't.

So now it is your claim ALL THESE people had to be in on the conspiracy as well? Why is it truthtards always try to pretend these conspiracies would only involve a handful of people, yet when they get into the details they quickly get into the thousands of people who would have to be involved.

On the contrary there is good reason to reject the OCT if you would bother to look at the history of the country you live in. One of the lies that was told to the public for going to war in the past was the Gulf of Tonkin incident. to name just one for now. Crying and bitching about others legitimate concerns without knowing what their reasons are are the signs of a person who doesn't have a clue about the argument, or their own government. Weak very weak

I see. So other lies by other people in a government manned by completely different people is somehow proof of them lying now. Fuckin retards don't even understand simple evidence.

That is your opinion

No, that's not opinion. That is fact.

but then again you conclude that the money Rumsfeld said was unaccounted for, isn't really missing, but we still don't know where it is LOL.

Wrong yet again ya lying fucktard. I've shown you several times now that the TRANSACTIONS were not documented to standards set by the GAO. There is no money missing. There is documentation that is not complete. But hey. You know that already. It fits your piece of shit personality to lie your ass off every chance you get, so you take it. No skin off my nose. You got handed your ass once on this, why not twice? So tell us how if you purchase a tank and lose the receipt the money is missing.

Fucking stooge, Besides this is another point of contention that could be cleared up with a real independent investigation That would show chain of custody of these alleged DNA samples, the scientists who allegedly analyzed the DNA and turned up matches -- if that did happen -- have no way of knowing whether or not it actually came from the Pentagon.

You call me a fucking stooge and then prove your complete ignorance of what happened on 9/11. CLASSIC! You're so busy stomping around you don't even realize you're stomping all over your own dick! Piece of shit traitors like you pretend nothing was done by the book for the investigation when just a little research would have shown you everything was done by the book. Here is a good example. These are the experts the experts turn to when they can't figure things out.

No I'm talking about the Pentagon. Hardly any plane parts, almost disintegrated, intense heat that would destroy DNA. It is argued that the plane that allegedly hit the pentagon has never been fully identified? In other words the fact that little remains of the plane were found because of the speed of impact and obliterating damage done to it on impact, contradicts the ability to positively ID the victims by DNA through undamaged body tissue. Plane totally destroyed beyond positive recognition, but the bodies weren't? This is questionable, but I'm sure the conflict would be put to rest and resolved in a new investigation. As far as doubting your government is capable of doing away with its own citizens, look up Operation Northwoods.

Way to further expose your ignorance to the rest of the world. What kind of ignorant fuck actually believes you need a whole body to perform a DNA match? Unless a body has been completely consumed by fire as in a cremation, there is enough left to do a DNA match. I love how you pretend the tissue has to be undamaged as well. Fucking ignorant prick! If you have to have undamaged tissue, how do you explain articles like this? A simple and efficient method for extracting DNA from old and burned bone. Come back when you actually KNOW something, junior.

Assuming the heat to the tissue doesn't damage the proteins to do one, very little.

See the article written above.

Popular Mechanics is not a credible source try again.

Yeah, I've heard you fucktards make that claim all the time..... yet you can't actually point out a lie. The FACT is the engine was found 300 yards away, not 2000 yards away.

It is a legitimate concern implying that the plane might have been shot down and ripped apart before crashing were it did. Perhaps you should take your own advice and look at the facts yourself.

I have. Many witnesses claimed it was in one piece when it crashed. Other crashes have shown similar debris fields from high speed impacts. The FACT is you haven't done your homework again, junior. Look up PSA Flight 1771
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7h7Ll8Dl4]8 mile debris field from crash[/ame]

The dishonest prick is you.

Really? Am I the one that claimed the only two possibilities for Flight 93 was being shot down or there being a bomb on board? Nope. That was you. Way to be caught up in yet another lie ya dishonest prick!

It is proven by your posts. According to all available evidence, there are reasons to doubt the planes actual demise. Flight recordings of the hijacker mentioning a bomb on board leads people to speculate there was one. Lying to yourself and making believe these people have absolutely no grounds to doubt the cover up story, makes you look like a lying coward, that can't face reality.

So why can't you address the FDR and CVR that directly refute a bomb or a missile strike? All you have left is pathetic attacks and NOTHING ELSE! No wonder you're such an agitated little puke. You've got nothing! Poor pussy jones!

No, more lies and bullshit from a proven lying troll. You really make obvious what a POS lying government kissass you are. You are afraid to face the facts, you are a coward. Here asshole read it and to try to comprehend that you are proving the point of the original topic of this thread, that there are controversies that require a new investigation to clear the fuck up!

I love how dishonest pukes like pussy Jones post articles from two days after the event as though that is the end all be all of all information. Was the possibility of a bomb looked into? Absolutely! But unlike you dumbfucks, they ruled it out from the evidence present. Here is a better article on Shaw and Cramer.

For example, in the days following the crash, the Associated Press interviewed Glen Cramer, a Westmoreland County emergency services supervisor, who told AP and other news agencies that he had read "off a transcript" that minutes before the crash a passenger, David Felt, had called and told the dispatcher that he had he had heard an explosion and that there was white smoke in the pane.

But in a phone interview, Felt's younger brother Gordon, who was played the 911 tape by the FBI when he went to hear the cockpit recordings in a special event for the victims' families, said, "There was no mention of white smoke or an explosion." Also, the dispatcher who took the call, John Shaw, confirmed that Felt had mentioned neither bomb nor white smoke. "It never happened," he stated.

In various accounts of the flight 93 tragedy it is mentioned that the Cleveland controllers are forbidden to discuss it.
Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93 - Americas, World - The Independent
Once again you have to be led by the hand when it comes to obtaining information.

Really? So A UK newspaper that does not reveal any kind of sources is somehow authoratative? Well, when you've been duped as much as you have by conspiracy sites, I can understand how you would fall for just about anything. Look up John Werth. He was the Cleveland ATC operator who handled flight 93. If he is under a gag order, why does he do interviews about 9/11? Fact trumps your paranoid delusions and inability to do research.

Maybe he is his supervisor for a reason, like paying closer attention to details such as this. You want people to believe that a man with a supervisor title is not someone they can trust? He listened in on the conversation! Can you not understand how absolutely stupid you look? Fuck it you are a hopelessly pathetic troll and this is just another example of Parott 9-11s intentional deceit. Classic bullshit from a proven liar.

So you lie, get caught, and call everyone else liars. Classic piece of shit! I've already posted where Shaw said there was no talk of explosions or white smoke.

Yes you delusional lazy lying asswipe.

Well, thank you for admitting your lies are based on other lies.

Lies your government has told you!

That is your lie, not the truth. So far you haven't been able to prove anything other than you're a lying fuck who has no clue what happened on 9/11 or how the real world works.

The doubters of the OCT base their arguments on facts, inconsistencies, omissions, distortions, the commission report, NIST, FEMA, witnesses, videos, history, military personnel, scientists, the FBI...You expect citizens to believe a coward, OCTA pole swallower like you instead of the vast amount of credible people that have spoken out? You are a delusional fucking idiot, go back to your ward and ring for the nurse, you need your meds, you fucking stupid ass.

One big fucking lie. You fucks base your arguments on lies based on lies. You blatantly ignore evidence that refutes your theories. That ONE FACT right there dismisses anything else you lying fucks say.

I have looked at your skewed view and addressed them to the best of my ability in as much respect you have accorded me.

Your ability sucks ass considering you havn't addressed shit.

Try being civil and you would be treated the same way, but knowing you we'll never find that out will we?

Not from a dumbfuck like you. Others who actually wish to debate will find out differently.

Take your own advice and open what little bitty mind you have. Learn about the things that are being argued.

This from the guy who thinks you need an undamaged piece of tissue to get a DNA match! You don't know shit and you prove it more and more with each post!

It is you that can't or wont even admit that what you believe is told to you by a proven lying government is a fabricated conspiracy theory

You have yet to prove this in ANY way. You have ZERO actual proof your bullshit is true. But I'm just suppose to believe you? I don't think so.

Tell you what.. tell us how many times in the past the people you are calling liars, have actually lied to you, as opposed to how many times the government and your elected officials have lied to you.

See, unlike retarded shits like you, I don't look at the government as a whole as a single entity. The government is made up of people. Do some of those people lie to us? Absolutely. Do they all? No. The government is not the Borg controlled by a central conciousness. You're not going to get the thousands to tens of thousands of people necessary to pull off something like 9/11 to all agree and seamlessly lie to us over nine years later. And if you are actually STUPID enough to believe the entire government is like that, you should go check yourself into the nearest looney bin and tell them you are the king loon!

It wont even come close with an honest observation. But then again you are not an honest person, not to yourself, or anyone else.

So says the king loon!

Everything has to be spelled out for you. Talk about cherry picking LOL, The fucking claim is this-
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
There's more to learn about this topic so search for yourself. Like I said this alone should be considered a major point in seeking a new investigation.

So my claim that they supposedly found "Active Thermitic material" is proven by you and you call me a liar? What a piece of shit!

You still assuming like the scared little OCTA you are. You are saying the exact thing the other side is saying "because an investigation is going to have to actually look at ALL the evidence and not cherry pick the evidence like you fuckers do" You will never know what the actual outcome will be, and you assuming it comes out the same is lame.

OK. Listen, you little fuck. Try to pay attention this time. An investigation has to go off EVIDENCE. We KNOW the evidence they have. Knowing the evidence, one can also determine the outcome. Since you lying fucks can't produce ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that backs up your bullshit, any investigation is going to come to the same conclusion. It isn't that hard of a concept. Have an adult explain it to you. Hell, KIDS can understand this concept. Have a kid (any kid. They're all smarter than you.) explain it to you.

You do too much assuming and not enough actual thinking and searching for the truth.

Really? Is that why I keep handing your ass to you as I expose lie after lie of yours?

I would rather waste time then more lives and treasure, but you don't give a shit about our people dying, you just want to be right at all cost.

No. I want the TRUTH to win. You lying fucks don't give two shits about the truth in your anti-government smear campaign.

If it is discovered that we were all lied to and the truth comes out, you will probably deny it to your last breath because you are the kind of asshole that would rather stick his head up his ass, rather then accept it.

If real evidence ever came out that the government was behind 9/11, I would be at the front of the line demanding accountability. That is something an ingorant fuck like you will never understand because everyone else does your thinking for you. Try thinking for yourself for once.

The reasons for your refusal to accept the possibility that your government is fucking you over can be found here. I think you should read it and be honest with yourself for a change.

Show me the evidence. Go ahead. How many times have you been challenged with this and run away like a little bitch?

The government didn't even want to investigate the first time, naturally they don't want the truth to be told to the public.

Another ignorant lie. Bush didn't want the 9/11 commission from interfering with the REAL investigation.

Imagine the upheaval it will cause?

So why didn't it happen?

It isn't being reinvestigated because of the severe repercussions it will have on our entire system, and way of life, not because of lack of evidence you stupid motherfucker!

Wrong yet again. In order to get a new investigation you first have to prove the initial investigation was fundamentally flawed. You're not going to do that with opinion or suspicions. You do that with EVIDENCE. Once you silly fucks learn that lesson you will understand why nobody gives a shit about you or your truthtard bowel movement.

They have taken control of the people, we have let it happen, and its precisely because of the kind of attitude you have, and pussy fucks like you.

People who believe in the truth are "pussy fucks"? Wow! Well, coming from a traitorous bastard like you, I can see why you feel anyone who doesn't hate the government like you is bad. A shame most people require actual evidence instead of the words of lying scum like you.

We need to find out then don't we? If you are so confident then why not welcome a new look? Because you know damn well there is shit they lied about, your just a pussy that can't face it.

Because I don't want to waste hundreds of millions of dollars on dumb fucks like you when you will only ignore the investigation. Now, since I pay taxes and I sincerely doubt you even work, I don't want to go throwing good money away just to have the end results ignored by dishonest shits like you.

Oh bullshit, a strike on the nuclear plant would have fucked this country up even worse considering the high death count and damage radiation can do. If you can't see the specific value of the targets they selected and think it was because the WTC was a symbol of America, you are sorely drunk with stupidity. They could have divebombed the white house, and certainly damaged the pentagon a lot worse, but no the part that had the most accountants was what these treasonous fucks wanted.

So we're suppose to just believe YOU know more about what the terrorists were thinking than they do. Wow. The EGO on you fucks! Why did they try in 93 to bring down the towers? Why not go against a nuclear power plant then?

Once again the point of this thread has been made clear by your replies, and adding your obvious stupidity for all to see yet again is a bonus.

We'll let the readers decide who is stupid. I'm not the one who repeatedly got his ass handed to him. Stupid fuck.

 

[psikeyhackr]

He doesn't come off waving his arms screaming inside job!, but it certainly doesn't give the government and those responsible for explaining to the American people what happened and why, much credibility, and doesn't instill much confidence in the people. There is a lot of animosity between believers and deniers, and while the two sides haggle over free fall, fire temps and collapse initiation etc..the big picture is being ignored, the people we should be furious at received medals, lucrative financial contracts and profits, and are living comfortably with no worries of ever having to answer for anything while the slaves squabble. In reality we don't know the entire truth because along with the main stream media, our government has tried to cover things up, by omitting relevant facts and witnesses, or simply by not mentioning things the people should have the right to know.

They are not greedy malicious liars with a need to control people for power and financial gain. Ask yourself que bono..who benefited the most from the 9-11 attacks and really look into it. You'll find that It's not the truther.

Yes this situation is EXTREMELY Weird!!!

There are skyscrapers all over the world. Gravity and physics works the same way everywhere. But I can't find the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE on every level of any skyscraper anywhere. The Empire State Building was 70 years old when the WTC was destroyed. What kind of computers were used to design that skyscraper in the 1920s?

It is insanely bizarre that the nation that put men on the Moon hasn't resolved this in NINE YEARS?

But this issue drags in all of the engineering schools also. And there is so much silence from most of them it practically shouts for attention.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT4BXIpdIdo[/ame]

psik

 

[candycorn]

It is insanely bizarre that the nation that put men on the Moon hasn't resolved this in NINE YEARS?
psik

I gave you thanks because you confirmed that we put men on the moon. Most idiots who believe "this hasn't been resolved" think otherwise. It was resolved almost instantly.

 

[eots]

It is insanely bizarre that the nation that put men on the Moon hasn't resolved this in NINE YEARS?
psik

I gave you thanks because you confirmed that we put men on the moon. Most idiots who believe "this hasn't been resolved" think otherwise. It was resolved almost instantly.

really...you have the statistics on that do you...the reality is that NASA astronauts and top level NASA engineers are core members of architects and engineers for 9/11 truth which is indisputable and easily verified as fact

Dwain Deets | 9-11 News | World for 9-11 Truth | W9T.org

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[eots]

The guy crashed; they all did. Hardly the mark of a great pilot.
Truthers seem to adore hijackers and terrorists which always makes me wonder why they don't take their proof to the courts and have their Brother Zack's conviction overturned.

But you all say he was a great pilot and capable of performing all the fancy flying....? So was he a good pilot for that, but a bad pilot for crashing? You people are a fucking joke.

what "fancy flying" all the fuckers crashed

a crash is uncontrolled ..what they did was hit targets with precision flying

 

[DiveCon]

But you all say he was a great pilot and capable of performing all the fancy flying....? So was he a good pilot for that, but a bad pilot for crashing? You people are a fucking joke.

what "fancy flying" all the fuckers crashed

a crash is uncontrolled ..what they did was hit targets with precision flying

yeah, like that would be so hard to do

the buildings dont move and all you have to do is point the plane in a general direction

you show what an idiot you are by even using that bold word

 

[Muhammed]

The NIST and 9/11 commission reports

Those are vague speculative reports, not "official stories", you fucking dumbass!

Are you too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

Really...well you should inform NIST because they are under the illusion that they are the official government agency that did the definitive 8 year study and report on the collapse...I am sure they would e interested in knowing they are actually vague speculative reports with no official recognition or status thanks for setting that straight ....

I don't recall the NIST ever representing their report as "the official story".

It's only the whacko "truthers" that try to represent it in that fashion.