It's the Government-Not the Truther

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    Why is the government covering up the truth about the 9-11 attacks? This should be the question people should ask themselves. The 9-11 truth movement is trying to bring to light the inconsistencies and highly improbable coincidences about the official narrative, not lying like the government, it's cronies, and whore agencies including the media.
    Consider John Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey. He was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. He has said the report is almost entirely not true, or correct, in the book he wrote “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America's Defense on 9/11."
    John Farmer’s Book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America?s Defense on 9/11″
    He doesn't come off waving his arms screaming inside job!, but it certainly doesn't give the government and those responsible for explaining to the American people what happened and why, much credibility, and doesn't instill much confidence in the people. There is a lot of animosity between believers and deniers, and while the two sides haggle over free fall, fire temps and collapse initiation etc..the big picture is being ignored, the people we should be furious at received medals, lucrative financial contracts and profits, and are living comfortably with no worries of ever having to answer for anything while the slaves squabble. In reality we don't know the entire truth because along with the main stream media, our government has tried to cover things up, by omitting relevant facts and witnesses, or simply by not mentioning things the people should have the right to know.
    Even if the WTCs hadn't collapsed, and were still standing, the nation was still attacked and the actions and inaction's prior to and after the attacks need to be thoroughly brought to light, accounted for and explained to the people, as well as the huge conflict of interests issues, and the financial discrepancies, all involving 9-11.
    We have people, mostly young people dying because of what these elected and appointed officials said, and on whose words and integrity we trusted. Not to mention the death and suffering being inflicted on the people whose countries we were told had to be invaded and occupied because of 9-11. We are spending and borrowing, vast amounts of money and resources all attributed to 9-11, while the country falls apart economically, socially and morally.

    They were caught lying to us already and these SOBs dare insinuate that it's somehow unpatriotic to question their motives, actions and intentions? I've always thought they were public servants and worked for the people, not against them.
    Some people still hold onto the belief they weren't intentionally lied to and chalk up the disaster to ineptitude, and or lack of preparation. I find that impossible to believe, but even if you don't, how can you trust these inept people and who ever they appoint, with your country, its future, your rights, your life? How much more proof is needed before becoming aware that something is not right about that day, about what is happening to the country, and to all of us?
    I frankly don't care if the WTC fell in 8 or 18 seconds, something is wrong with the entire scenario not just that part of it. We should hold the people that we put in charge of the government responsible for explaining what really happened and force a real investigation with subpoena powers first in order to even have a chance to sort the other details out.
    But that wont ever happen unless they are forced to hear us, preferably as one collective voice in unison. I'm not holding my breath on this...but it is what needs to occur to really change things for the better. The loathing for citizens that are fed up and speaking out is uncalled for. The rise in anger and distrust people have for their government and officials runs parallel with the amount of abuse and lies it displays and the roots of that rise is what should trouble us the most. We have a government that now openly and remorselessly ignores the public and the public has reacted by losing all confidence in that government, then it argues over the reasons and never ending minute nitpicking details..:cuckoo:
    Most people associated with the truth and awareness movements are well meaning and have nothing to gain financially by a new investigation, as opposed to the war profiteers who have a vested interest in silencing them and keeping them silent.
    Sure there are some who see this as a money making opportunity and are out to make a buck and are attention whores, and there are some that are purposefully trying to discredit and divide them with laser beam, HAARP, and flying saucer theories.
    Most people know not to associate these people with the average fed up truth seeking American, and to do so isn't saying much for ones intellect.
    They just want to have control over their own lives and finances, and have faith in the integrity of their country, government, and financial institutions restored. They are not greedy malicious liars with a need to control people for power and financial gain. Ask yourself que bono..who benefited the most from the 9-11 attacks and really look into it. You'll find that It's not the truther.
     
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    So what do you personally claim is the "truth" about the 9/11 attacks? Be prepared to face the fact most of your fellow truthtards don't believe exactly what you believe no matter what you believe.

    Bottom line is not one of you truthtards have a single shred of real evidence your bullshit claims about 9/11 are true.

    Only if they have paranoid delusions and are so childish they have to blame the big bad gubment or the Jews or some other group for all the perceived evil in the wold.

    Really? I can show you lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie told by the truthtard bowel movement. You fuckers wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you on the ass, introduced itself and had references straight from God they were the real truth.

    I love it when truthtards trot out this specific lie. I've read John Farmer's book. It goes into great detail about some of the lies some branches of the government tried to get away with. Nothing to do with the government being behind 9/11 or knowing about 9/11 beforehand. Just screwups done before and during the attack. In the end, John Farmer firmly believes the 9/11 commission got it right.

    So what you see here is Mr. Jones presenting a book as evidence that he has obviously not even read. He is just hoping all the other truthtards out there are telling him the truth about the book. Unfortunately for Mr. Jones, truthtards are notorious liars and they lied to him about this book so he could turn around and lie about it to everyone else.

    For instance:

    Farmer explains that his hope is to lay some conspiracy theories to rest “by identifying and establishing the deception that actually did occur.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/books/review/Heilbrunn-t.html

    But hey. Don't just believe me. How about hearing it from a truthtard who was rather upset about being lied to about the book:

    Review by David Ray Griffin

    So which is it? Do you believe John Farmer or not? Either he is lying or you are lying. You can't have it both ways. Just pretending that his exposure of early lies is evidence of the government being behind 9/11 despite his claims to the contrary is dishonest as you are cherry picking what you do and do not want to believe.

    You first need to provide evidence of your initial claims before you go off with the rest of the accusations.

    No, you don't know the entire truth because you reject evidence that doesn't fit your precious bullshit theories. If you looked at all the evidence, you would understand the truth. Do we know every fact about 9/11? No. Are the main facts true? Absolutely.

    You already reject the evidence now. What makes you think anyone would believe you would look at evidence from a new investigation that doesn't tell you what you want to hear? Truthtards are VERY predictable in this aspect.

    Yet you still have no evidence they were behind 9/11. You MUST prove that fact before moving on.

    CountrIES? :lol: More truthtard bullshit. We are in Afghanistan due to 9/11. Last time I checked, that is ONE country. A shame truthtards can't count as high as.... one.....

    OK, we can agree. 9/11 has produced a whole subclass of morally reprehensible people called truthtards.

    More pretentious bullshit grounded in fantasy, not reality.

    See above.

    Who gives a shit what a repugnant dick like you thinks? You've told far more lies than the government has about 9/11. So who would ever give a shit what a known, proven, morally bankrupt piece of shit like you thinks?

    How about one shred of real proof your bullshit claims are true.

    Yeah, you can't deal with the little details so you deny the whole. Nice job. :roll:

    Why? Why spend hundreds of millions MORE dollars to have an investigation that is going to come to the same conclusion that you will then ignore? THAT is truly retarded.

    That won't happen even then. Opinions don't mean shit. It is the FACTS and EVIDENCE that will get things done in the judicial system. The FACT that you have ZERO evidence means you will never get a new investigation, which is a good thing as I've explained above.

    We really wish you would....

    So how would it change things for the better?

    Why would you be upset that when you lie, and do other loathsome things that people would loath you? It would be one thing if you actually had some evidence to back up your bullshit, but when you ask us to just believe you and your "good word", nobody is going to do that to lying assholes like you.

    So why is it Obama saw a much bigger backlash than Bush ever did? Open your eyes, dumbshit!

    This has been true long before 9/11 and will be true forever. It is the nature of government.

    :lol: Bullshit. Alex Jones, Richard Gage and the rest of them make their livings off of the sheep like you they fleece over and over again every time they release a new book or a new video that tells you ignorant fucks what you want to hear. You're not well meaning. You're an asshole. Big difference.

    So only the crackpots that believe YOUR theories are serious and everyone else is a crackpot. :lol:

    Yet truthtards are constantly trotting out what these very people say as "evidence". Nice try trying to distance yourself from the head truthtards, but the reality is you have your head so far up their collective ass that you wouldn't be able to tell what is reality vs. what is force fed to you by the truthtard "leaders".

    Why would they want to do that? They have WAY more fun blaming the government/Jews/boogiemen for all the evil in the world so they don't have to face up to that evil. It is that very lack of perceived control that make most truthtards the hateful little fucks they are. Here's a clue. You are the one responsible for your own life. Not the country. Not the government. Not the financial institutions. YOU. Once you have control of your own life and your own finances, you will realize this truth. You can thank me then.

    Sure they are. Truthtards want everyone to just believe whatever fucked up story they believe that day in order to push their agenda. How greedy and malicious is that? And of course, you truthtards lie your asses off to try and convince people you're actually credible and know what you're talking about.

    Richard Gage, Alex Jones, et al are doing quite well due to 9/11. :lol:
     
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    I find it odd that those that cling to so much nonsense in the "official" story of 9/11 insist that anyone recognizing a discrepancy is obligated to forward a complete theory of what happened. So if one of us had proof a convicted murderer was seen in our town at the time of the crime all the way across the country from where the murder happened before our statement would have any validity in righting the wrongful conviction we would also be responsible for naming the real murderer. What may seem a reasonable request to some here is totally fucking insane.
     
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    He makes it blatantly obvious that he's an attention seeking idiot troll with no life and not entitled to any responses.
     
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    Who's "official story" are you referring to in the first place?
     
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    The NIST and 9/11 commission reports
     
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    Those are vague speculative reports, not "official stories", you fucking dumbass!

    Are you too fucking stupid to understand the difference?
     
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    Really...well you should inform NIST because they are under the illusion that they are the official government agency that did the definitive 8 year study and report on the collapse...I am sure they would e interested in knowing they are actually vague speculative reports with no official recognition or status thanks for setting that straight ....
     
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    Usual bullshit from the troofers. Cite some source in hopes no one actually reads it. In this case the book and Author cited actually SUPPORTS and DEFENDS the 9/11 Commission and yet troofers claim otherwise.

    Kinda like all the names Eots and buddies throw around. If you do any research you quickly learn that these LEARNED men almost uniformly do NOT support the troofers. What they do claim is that some piece of the investigation got something slightly wrong and they want it corrected. For example the one they cite for the fire problem in building 7 does not disagree that fire brought the building down at all. He feels that the insulation was the problem and FOR SAFETY REASONS, that part should be changed.

    The pilots they cite , none of them say that the flight in Washington DC could not have done what it did, what they say is that it was strange behavior for a plane to do and that possibly a more experienced pilot would be needed. BUT reality is that a Plane, its crew, its passengers all vanished on 9/11 and the plane debris is located in the hole in the Pentagon along with DNA evidence and body parts of the missing crew and passengers.

    In Pennsylvania we have a couple people insisting a plane that size could not belly flop in the hole presented. Totally ignoring the fact the plane came in at a steep angle. Totally ignoring that the cockpit debris and human remains were found in the woods just a short way away. Ignoring the fact that 95 percent of the aircraft was dug up from that hole. Ignoring the fact the plane crashed into an old land fill where the ground was soft to begin with. Ignoring the fact that AGAIN, the DNA evidence and human remains all belonged to crew and passengers on THAT flight.

    NOT a single troofer has presented us with facts or figures on how many floors of the two trade Centers and building 7 would have had to be rigged for explosives to validate THEIR claim explosives were used. The only supposed evidence they give of explosions is the cloud debris from when the upper floors crashed into the lower floors at the start of the collapse and a couple people that claim they heard explosions near the bottom of the building. All explained away with the actual findings.

    The there is the missile claim. No one can explain how if a missile was used on the Pentagon, where the plane, crew and passengers went. No one can provide any evidence of explosive materials in the ruins of the Pentagon. No one can explain what type of missile makes the damage pattern in evidence at the Pentagon. And of course none of them can explain where the mystery missile came from, what it was fired from or who exactly fired it. Nor can they explain away the body parts the DNA or the air craft wreckage recovered there.
     

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