It really is baffling to me republicans still think the wall is a good idea

[DGS49]

There are many examples around the world of walls working to accomplish what we want - mainly in Israel. The areas where large numbers of bandits cross the Mexican border are fairly well known, so it wouldn't take 1500 miles of wall to prevent 80% of the illegal border crossings.

Also, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Trump would not have been elected without his promise to build a wall. That alone is sufficient justification for him to make a major issue out of it. He has this nasty habit of keeping his promises, which drives Democrats crazy.

 

[rightwinger]

It’s not baffling when one considers the fact that those who support a ‘wall’ are frightened, hateful bigots.

As long as Trump says it is a good idea they will agree

 

[Billy000]

I guess we can do away with all the walls around our prisons. Why keep them if they don't work, right?

Um obviously walls work in, you know, a building. They don’t work in curbing illegal immigration along a 2000 mile border.

Walls work as they are intended to work. They provide a barrier between two areas. Properly enforced, they provide protection of the population from the most vicious animals in society.

They also work very well in protecting the public from the animals in zoos.

People use them to keep the criminal element out of their homes. Just look at the homes of every Democrat who is in office today.

Walls work. Plain and simple. In fact, when they are properly manned, they work incredibly well. Which is why the progressives hate the idea of a wall. They'll lose two things if a wall is successfully built and maned.

Future votes and a talking point about giving free shit to the indigenous of another country.

I forgot zoos!

If walls don’t work, why do we use them in zoos?

Israel, the Vatican, prisons, zoos, HIllary house....

Why do these places have useless walls?

Lol yeah walls of a perimeter obviously work. A 2000 mile linear stretch of wall is very much not the same thing. Man you people are dense.

What would work, specifically?

Specifically lay out your plan to secure the southern border of the US.

Lol what we already do. You can’t just expect any policy to be perfect. That’s just non sense. More importantly, migration from Mexico has been rapidly declining since the 2008 economic crash. Just about as many Mexicans have LEFT the US since then. There is no border crisis just because Fox News and Trump tell you there is. All you have to do is look up the actual facts.

 

[deanrd]

There are many examples around the world of walls working to accomplish what we want - mainly in Israel. The areas where large numbers of bandits cross the Mexican border are fairly well known, so it wouldn't take 1500 miles of wall to prevent 80% of the illegal border crossings.

Also, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Trump would not have been elected without his promise to build a wall. That alone is sufficient justification for him to make a major issue out of it. He has this nasty habit of keeping his promises, which drives Democrats crazy.

So you’re saying build a wall that they can just walk around? That’s even more stupid.

 

[deanrd]

Um obviously walls work in, you know, a building. They don’t work in curbing illegal immigration along a 2000 mile border.

Walls work as they are intended to work. They provide a barrier between two areas. Properly enforced, they provide protection of the population from the most vicious animals in society.

They also work very well in protecting the public from the animals in zoos.

People use them to keep the criminal element out of their homes. Just look at the homes of every Democrat who is in office today.

Walls work. Plain and simple. In fact, when they are properly manned, they work incredibly well. Which is why the progressives hate the idea of a wall. They'll lose two things if a wall is successfully built and maned.

Future votes and a talking point about giving free shit to the indigenous of another country.

I forgot zoos!

If walls don’t work, why do we use them in zoos?

Israel, the Vatican, prisons, zoos, HIllary house....

Why do these places have useless walls?

Lol yeah walls of a perimeter obviously work. A 2000 mile linear stretch of wall is very much not the same thing. Man you people are dense.

What would work, specifically?

Specifically lay out your plan to secure the southern border of the US.

Lol what we already do. You can’t just expect any policy to be perfect. That’s just non sense. More importantly, migration from Mexico has been rapidly declining since the 2008 economic crash. Just about as many Mexicans have LEFT the US since then. There is no border crisis just because Fox News and Trump tell you there is. All you have to do is look up the actual facts.

It really isn’t even about the wall.

These people are so ignorant they think a wall 2000 miles away from where they live is going to somehow help them.

Soybean farmers who lost their orders from China think the wall is going to be good for them.

It’s just bizarre and weird and something that ridiculous and desperate people have been tricked into believing.

It’s sad. Sad and pitiful. Just pitiful.

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course, granted, the idea has always been baffling to me but republicans seem to have this fantasy now that the wall will solve our most pressing issues somehow.

What republicans are too dense to understand is that the left doesn’t like wall idea because we want open borders, it’s because it’s a stupid idea that an 8th grader would come up with. Just think about this critically for a moment. If the wall is such a genius idea to curb illegal immigration, why in the fuck didn’t any republican politician before Trump entertain such a simple idea? Sure repubs have proposed building some kind of barrier on certain stretches of the border, but none of them ever suggested that the entire border would be sealed off and it was the best immigration policy. Don’t republican voters ever think about this most basic of logic?

Okay but let’s pretend repubs are right about the idea even though they really aren’t. Let’s pretend the wall magically stopped the flow of illegal Latino immigrants because they were all too lazy to tunnel under it or climb over I guess.

Then what? The wall is built and illegal immigration is stopped. What is supposed to happen after that? Why would this one issue be the cure-all to the economy? The overall fraction of illegal immigrants coming from Mexico out of the US population is pretty small. Why would this suddenly boost wages, GDP, and revenue?

Now let’s pretend republicans had their ultimate wet dream fulfilled and all undocumented immigrants in this country were deported as well. You might see this as a positive by believing more legal citizens would get jobs, but why would that happen? The unemployment rate is under 4%. Getting rid of illegal immigrants wouldn’t somehow make the unemployment rate 0%.

Moreover, DACA citizens pay taxes. If we booted them all, revenue would drop. You know what would drop much lower if we booted all illegals? Consumer spending. DACA or not, any immigrant living here spends money on the economy. We are talking about, what, 20 million people of all nationalities? All of those people spend money on American businesses regardless of whether or not their income is legitimate. Im not highlighting this point to suggest that we should allow illegal immigrants into this country. It just doesn’t make sense to have stricter border policy just because illegal immigration still happens. A fucking wall won’t do jack shit to significantly reduce it. The border policies we have in place already are fine even if they aren’t perfect and even achieving perfection would barely make a difference anyway. Even House Democrats don’t want to make immigration policy more relaxed given that the bipartisan solution to fund the government makes no changes to border policy of the last two years.

Trump’s defiant attitude about the wall in the meeting with Pelosi and Schumer was purely for political points. He is so damn insecure that he tries to act tough just so his supporters watching the exchange would go ape shit seeing him stick it to the democrats. It’s such non sense. Trump wants the wall simply because it is a reflection of how his supporters see him. He expects us all to think he is tough when really it’s painfully obvious that he is a whiny little bitch putting up a front.

Take the money that the illegals are using for welfare in the US and put it to the border wall. Those illegals will head back south licketty split, because they dont have a reason to be here anymore and dont want to be caught on the wrong side of the fence before it closes....I shake my head in disbelief at how stupid liberals are...

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.

This 100 billion dollars could be going to US citizens and their children who really need it, but is being sucked up by diseased illegal criminals and their anchor babies. Why? Because Democraps dont like US citizens but future Dem voters that cant speak English.

Do you see that proposed wall as an end its self, or just the first step, and exporting all Hispanic people as the final goal?

 

[protectionist]

Do you see that proposed wall as an end its self, or just the first step, and exporting all Hispanic people as the final goal?

Being Hispanic myself, I find that sentence to be in the top 10 of most idiotic things ever posted in USMB. Have you been drinking ?

 

[BULLDOG]

Do you see that proposed wall as an end its self, or just the first step, and exporting all Hispanic people as the final goal?

Being Hispanic myself, I find that sentence to be in the top 10 of most idiotic things ever posted in USMB. Have you been drinking ?

Well, do you have a goal for those already here?

 

[deanrd]

Do you see that proposed wall as an end its self, or just the first step, and exporting all Hispanic people as the final goal?

Being Hispanic myself, I find that sentence to be in the top 10 of most idiotic things ever posted in USMB. Have you been drinking ?

When you have a president who says he wants to take away the citizenship of people born in this country then I don’t understand why anyone would think it’s an idiotic statement.

 

[Flash]

It us really baffling to me that the filthy Democrats think of every excuse possible to not secure the border.

They want to import the Illegals to do the job that real Americans don't want to do - vote Democrat.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course, granted, the idea has always been baffling to me but republicans seem to have this fantasy now that the wall will solve our most pressing issues somehow.

What republicans are too dense to understand is that the left doesn’t like wall idea because we want open borders, it’s because it’s a stupid idea that an 8th grader would come up with. Just think about this critically for a moment. If the wall is such a genius idea to curb illegal immigration, why in the fuck didn’t any republican politician before Trump entertain such a simple idea? Sure repubs have proposed building some kind of barrier on certain stretches of the border, but none of them ever suggested that the entire border would be sealed off and it was the best immigration policy. Don’t republican voters ever think about this most basic of logic?

Okay but let’s pretend repubs are right about the idea even though they really aren’t. Let’s pretend the wall magically stopped the flow of illegal Latino immigrants because they were all too lazy to tunnel under it or climb over I guess.

Then what? The wall is built and illegal immigration is stopped. What is supposed to happen after that? Why would this one issue be the cure-all to the economy? The overall fraction of illegal immigrants coming from Mexico out of the US population is pretty small. Why would this suddenly boost wages, GDP, and revenue?

Now let’s pretend republicans had their ultimate wet dream fulfilled and all undocumented immigrants in this country were deported as well. You might see this as a positive by believing more legal citizens would get jobs, but why would that happen? The unemployment rate is under 4%. Getting rid of illegal immigrants wouldn’t somehow make the unemployment rate 0%.

Moreover, DACA citizens pay taxes. If we booted them all, revenue would drop. You know what would drop much lower if we booted all illegals? Consumer spending. DACA or not, any immigrant living here spends money on the economy. We are talking about, what, 20 million people of all nationalities? All of those people spend money on American businesses regardless of whether or not their income is legitimate. Im not highlighting this point to suggest that we should allow illegal immigrants into this country. It just doesn’t make sense to have stricter border policy just because illegal immigration still happens. A fucking wall won’t do jack shit to significantly reduce it. The border policies we have in place already are fine even if they aren’t perfect and even achieving perfection would barely make a difference anyway. Even House Democrats don’t want to make immigration policy more relaxed given that the bipartisan solution to fund the government makes no changes to border policy of the last two years.

Trump’s defiant attitude about the wall in the meeting with Pelosi and Schumer was purely for political points. He is so damn insecure that he tries to act tough just so his supporters watching the exchange would go ape shit seeing him stick it to the democrats. It’s such non sense. Trump wants the wall simply because it is a reflection of how his supporters see him. He expects us all to think he is tough when really it’s painfully obvious that he is a whiny little bitch putting up a front.

republicans seem to have this fantasy now that the wall will solve our most pressing issues somehow.

It will solve the issue of illegal aliens walking over our border freely.

Moreover, DACA citizens pay taxes. If we booted them all, revenue would drop.

You misspelled "DACA ILLEGAL ALIENS"
And welfare expenses would also drop.

You know what would drop much lower if we booted all illegals? Consumer spending.

Yup. And Prison costs and Medicaid costs and unreimbursed emergency room costs.

 

[Auld Phart]

It’s not baffling when one considers the fact that those who support a ‘wall’ are frightened, hateful bigots.

As long as Trump says it is a good idea they will agree

The Chinese thought it was a good idea centuries ago, and their wall is still standing.

(tho it does have doors in it now)

Russians and the Allies thought it was a good idea to put one through the middle of Berlin, and it lasted about 45 years.

 

[pismoe]

It’s not baffling when one considers the fact that those who support a ‘wall’ are frightened, hateful bigots.

Bigotry definitely plays a role in it, but they are so simple minded that they have let Trump delude them into thinking the wall is the most pressing issue and nothing else matters until it is built.

-------------------------------------- i don't know if its Bigotry but i don't like Third Worlders sneaking into the USA and then changing Western ways with their votes and thinking and ways of doing things and their crimes and their chain migration Billy . And simply swelling USA population with their diseased bodies is also a bad thing Billy . [But sounds like you are getting nervous but WE all know that a Trump Border Wall will never happen don't we Billy ?? ]

 

[BULLDOG]

It us really baffling to me that the filthy Democrats think of every excuse possible to not secure the border.

They want to import the Illegals to do the job that real Americans don't want to do - vote Democrat.

Melania being married to Trump is proof that there are some jobs no American wants to do.

 

[pismoe]

foreign Exclusion WALL's . Israelis have one and so do the Saudis plus there are some big Fences in Eastern Europe meant to keep E. Europe 'muslim' Free Billy .

 

[Auld Phart]

Do you see that proposed wall as an end its self, or just the first step, and exporting all Hispanic people as the final goal?

Being Hispanic myself, I find that sentence to be in the top 10 of most idiotic things ever posted in USMB. Have you been drinking ?

When you have a president who says he wants to take away the citizenship of people born in this country then I don’t understand why anyone would think it’s an idiotic statement.

When you have a president who says he wants to take away the citizenship of people born in this country

Citizens by a very 'liberal' understanding of the Constitution

 

[Meathead]

It us really baffling to me that the filthy Democrats think of every excuse possible to not secure the border.

They want to import the Illegals to do the job that real Americans don't want to do - vote Democrat.

Melania being married to Trump is proof that there are some jobs no American wants to do.

You don't get laid much, do you?

 

[BULLDOG]

It us really baffling to me that the filthy Democrats think of every excuse possible to not secure the border.

They want to import the Illegals to do the job that real Americans don't want to do - vote Democrat.

Melania being married to Trump is proof that there are some jobs no American wants to do.

You don't get laid much, do you?

Quit hitting on me.

 

[BluesLegend]

Right, 10's of millions of these poor welfare bound illegals have already poured across our southern border and we should do nothing? Another 300 pounds of Meth intercepted at the border this week. More American citizens raped and killed by illegals this week. No wall is needed? You libs can't win this one.

 

[BULLDOG]

Right, 10's of millions of these poor welfare bound illegals have already poured across our southern border and we should do nothing? Another 300 pounds of Meth intercepted at the border this week. More American citizens raped and killed by illegals this week. No wall is needed? You libs can't win this one.

So exportation of Hispanics is your real goal, and you see a wall as just a step toward that goal?