It just passed

[woodjack]

A lot of poor people were just made poorer.

Now we challenge in court AND we file criminal charges against them when they are removed from office.

exactly, when will they learn? umm how is giving "free health care" going to make these people improve their situation? Give people free housing ......turns into a slum/ghetto, Obama thinks this will create equality, umm historically look at the facts......people do not improve their situations by giving them free stuff only hard work and determination does it.

let the government solve my problems, let me not do a thing.

how are big cities going to cope with the big influx of claiments now? some cities will have umm 200k new patients because of this. where are the doctors going to come from? and the people who actually pay top dollar for their health care are they going to get subpare service? have you people been to a busy overbooked restaurant and gotten above average food and great service?.....this is a fiasco waiting to happen and conveyer belt service that will break down over time. Win for America? I see standards being reduced. might look good on paper but I think I would rather use this bill to wipe my butt and flush.

 

[Chris]

You forgot to add "The majority of the American people" in the "forces of darkness...arrayed against this" part.

Make no mistake. This bill was written and passed so that a minority of Americans could benefit from the money taken forcefully from the other majority of Americans.

Bullshit.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

Unchecked capitalism destroyed our economy.

Yet.......the wealth in all those other countries come HERE for important healthcare operations. Wonder why?

Yet.......OUR poor people live better than the upper-middle class of all those other wonderful nations?

Why doesn't our country provide health insurance for all, like your beloved socialist countries everywhere else?

BECAUSE our system has created a nation in which BLACK AMERICA would be the 4th richest nation on Earth if counted as a seperate nation. Because our "poor" have an OBESITY problem!! Too much food!!! Our poor have flat screen TV's, SUV's, refridgerators, cell phones!! Go to the ghetto. See it all. Cell phones, SUV's and expensive sedans, big TV's and video games, expensive clothing.

See, OUR gov't doesn't provide healthcare because our poor......COULD afford it, but they do not WANT to afford it. They prefer to pay for OTHER luxury items. OUR middle class COULD afford it, but they try to "Keep up with the Joneses" and buy homes they can't afford or are bigger than they need, and have vanity babies.

That is the problem. We have some people that are uninsured, but not "uninsurable". They choose to buy WANTS rather than NEEDS.

When our "poor" suffer from too much access to food, and drive nice cars, have air conditioned homes, TV's, cell phones (yes, God Damn cell phones), refridgerators, microwaves, etc, but then whine "I can't afford health insurance" and demand OTHER people pay for it?????

Fucking parasites.

You have been brainwashed by corporate lobbyists.

Do a little research about other countries healthcare systems. They don't deny people coverage for preexisting conditions. Their people don't go bankrupt because they get cancer. They have longer life expectancies than we do, and their healthcare costs are HALF per capita what ours are.

 

[Chris]

A lot of poor people were just made poorer.

Now we challenge in court AND we file criminal charges against them when they are removed from office.

exactly, when will they learn? umm how is giving "free health care" going to make these people improve their situation? Give people free housing ......turns into a slum/ghetto, Obama thinks this will create equality, umm historically look at the facts......people do not improve their situations by giving them free stuff only hard work and determination does it.

let the government solve my problems, let me not do a thing.

how are big cities going to cope with the big influx of claiments now? some cities will have umm 200k new patients because of this. where are the doctors going to come from? and the people who actually pay top dollar for their health care are they going to get subpare service? have you people been to a busy overbooked restaurant and gotten above average food and great service?.....this is a fiasco waiting to happen and conveyer belt service that will break down over time. Win for America? I see standards being reduced. might look good on paper but I think I would rather use this bill to wipe my butt and flush.

So you are saying we should get rid of Medicare for old people and the VA for veterans?

 

[Liability]

Bullshit.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

Unchecked capitalism destroyed our economy.

Yet.......the wealth in all those other countries come HERE for important healthcare operations. Wonder why?

Yet.......OUR poor people live better than the upper-middle class of all those other wonderful nations?

Why doesn't our country provide health insurance for all, like your beloved socialist countries everywhere else?

BECAUSE our system has created a nation in which BLACK AMERICA would be the 4th richest nation on Earth if counted as a seperate nation. Because our "poor" have an OBESITY problem!! Too much food!!! Our poor have flat screen TV's, SUV's, refridgerators, cell phones!! Go to the ghetto. See it all. Cell phones, SUV's and expensive sedans, big TV's and video games, expensive clothing.

See, OUR gov't doesn't provide healthcare because our poor......COULD afford it, but they do not WANT to afford it. They prefer to pay for OTHER luxury items. OUR middle class COULD afford it, but they try to "Keep up with the Joneses" and buy homes they can't afford or are bigger than they need, and have vanity babies.

That is the problem. We have some people that are uninsured, but not "uninsurable". They choose to buy WANTS rather than NEEDS.

When our "poor" suffer from too much access to food, and drive nice cars, have air conditioned homes, TV's, cell phones (yes, God Damn cell phones), refridgerators, microwaves, etc, but then whine "I can't afford health insurance" and demand OTHER people pay for it?????

Fucking parasites.

You have been brainwashed by corporate lobbyists.

Do a little research about other countries healthcare systems. They don't deny people coverage for preexisting conditions. Their people don't go bankrupt because they get cancer. They have longer life expectancies than we do, and their healthcare costs are HALF per capita what ours are.

The brainwashed one is you Cwissy.

No. They don't deny folks in those socialist paradises coverage for pre-existing conditions. They get to be treated JUST AS WELL as someone who didn't have the condition previously -- which is to say, lousy medical care.

No, they don't bankrupt you just because you've gotten cancer. They just don't fucking do all that much to TREAT it.

And no, they generally do NOT have longer life expectancies than we do, although we probably DO have room for improvement based on diet and exercise -- not on medical care.

And it's fucking EASY to claim health care costs are HALF of ours when everybody is paying MOST of what they earn in taxes and the taxes get apportioned to cover -- among other entitlements -- health care.

You are one gullible kid, Cwissy.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Yet.......the wealth in all those other countries come HERE for important healthcare operations. Wonder why?

Yet.......OUR poor people live better than the upper-middle class of all those other wonderful nations?

Why doesn't our country provide health insurance for all, like your beloved socialist countries everywhere else?

BECAUSE our system has created a nation in which BLACK AMERICA would be the 4th richest nation on Earth if counted as a seperate nation. Because our "poor" have an OBESITY problem!! Too much food!!! Our poor have flat screen TV's, SUV's, refridgerators, cell phones!! Go to the ghetto. See it all. Cell phones, SUV's and expensive sedans, big TV's and video games, expensive clothing.

See, OUR gov't doesn't provide healthcare because our poor......COULD afford it, but they do not WANT to afford it. They prefer to pay for OTHER luxury items. OUR middle class COULD afford it, but they try to "Keep up with the Joneses" and buy homes they can't afford or are bigger than they need, and have vanity babies.

That is the problem. We have some people that are uninsured, but not "uninsurable". They choose to buy WANTS rather than NEEDS.

When our "poor" suffer from too much access to food, and drive nice cars, have air conditioned homes, TV's, cell phones (yes, God Damn cell phones), refridgerators, microwaves, etc, but then whine "I can't afford health insurance" and demand OTHER people pay for it?????

Fucking parasites.

You have been brainwashed by corporate lobbyists.

Do a little research about other countries healthcare systems. They don't deny people coverage for preexisting conditions. Their people don't go bankrupt because they get cancer. They have longer life expectancies than we do, and their healthcare costs are HALF per capita what ours are.

The brainwashed one is you Cwissy.

No. They don't deny folks in those socialist paradises coverage for pre-existing conditions. They get to be treated JUST AS WELL as someone who didn't have the condition previously -- which is to say, lousy medical care.

No, they don't bankrupt you just because you've gotten cancer. They just don't fucking do all that much to TREAT it.

And no, they generally do NOT have longer life expectancies than we do, although we probably DO have room for improvement based on diet and exercise -- not on medical care.

And it's fucking EASY to claim health care costs are HALF of ours when everybody is paying MOST of what they earn in taxes and the taxes get apportioned to cover -- among other entitlements -- health care.

You are one gullible kid, Cwissy.

You will have to forgive Chris/Kirk. He has been in orgasmic euphoria for the last hour. By his posts, you would think this healthcare bill is the second coming of Christ, when in reality it s worthless. What he fails to realize is that it doesn't really accomplish the goals that the President wanted. They are calling it a huge victory, but in reality, it is a bigass expensive piece of shit.

 

[woodjack]

A lot of poor people were just made poorer.

Now we challenge in court AND we file criminal charges against them when they are removed from office.

exactly, when will they learn? umm how is giving "free health care" going to make these people improve their situation? Give people free housing ......turns into a slum/ghetto, Obama thinks this will create equality, umm historically look at the facts......people do not improve their situations by giving them free stuff only hard work and determination does it.

let the government solve my problems, let me not do a thing.

how are big cities going to cope with the big influx of claiments now? some cities will have umm 200k new patients because of this. where are the doctors going to come from? and the people who actually pay top dollar for their health care are they going to get subpare service? have you people been to a busy overbooked restaurant and gotten above average food and great service?.....this is a fiasco waiting to happen and conveyer belt service that will break down over time. Win for America? I see standards being reduced. might look good on paper but I think I would rather use this bill to wipe my butt and flush.

So you are saying we should get rid of Medicare for old people and the VA for veterans?

Nope did not say that. VA is different they actually served and did a service much like our politicians , I am just showing the huge problems this bill will introduce, something Obama is great about overlooking. And the fact remains that why would you improve your situatiion if they made it easier for you. People are lazy.

I guess we will ask for doctors from Cuba and Africa to help with this issues. What is soo wrong with making it hard on the poor so they try to improve their situation? Go to school....seems to me in America, pride and hard work and integrity are all slowly going extinct. I suggest you go to governement housing in the nearest big city and see what good that has done.

what is done is done, I think it very funny that people do not see any problems that will arise out of this and the huge mess this will undoubtedly will result.

I kinda think that it may keep people down instead of improving, seen people working under the table so they keep their welfare checks and the corruption that entails so this will make people stay down so they will continue to get all the advantages of welfare health care, free housing, and other programs made to make people dependant and not work for anything.... good luck if that is your american dream that is not mine.....

 

[jeffrockit]

All you liberals can gloat your asses off for all I care. In a few short years, you will realize the complete failure of socialism just as other countries have in the past.

Like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, etc?


And yes, we will gloat. Thanx.

Look at their tax rates compared to the US. Germany's individual tax rate is 40%, Sweden is close to 30%. Tax rates around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you ok with US tax rates going that high so everyone can have "Free" healthcare?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

All you liberals can gloat your asses off for all I care. In a few short years, you will realize the complete failure of socialism just as other countries have in the past.

Like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, etc?


And yes, we will gloat. Thanx.

 

[EriktheRed]

All you liberals can gloat your asses off for all I care. In a few short years, you will realize the complete failure of socialism just as other countries have in the past.

Like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, etc?


And yes, we will gloat. Thanx.

Look at their tax rates compared to the US. Germany's individual tax rate is 40%, Sweden is close to 30%. Tax rates around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you ok with US tax rates going that high so everyone can have "Free" healthcare?

Maybe not that high, but they'll have to go up at some point even without this bill.

 

[EriktheRed]

Just wanted to share this, too:

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

All you liberals can gloat your asses off for all I care. In a few short years, you will realize the complete failure of socialism just as other countries have in the past.

Like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, etc?


And yes, we will gloat. Thanx.

Love the signature:

How To Suck Seed As An Ayn Rand Lunatic​

 

[007]

Time to start the tough battles in the courts.

Time for another Civil War.

 

[jreeves]

Like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, etc?


And yes, we will gloat. Thanx.

Look at their tax rates compared to the US. Germany's individual tax rate is 40%, Sweden is close to 30%. Tax rates around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you ok with US tax rates going that high so everyone can have "Free" healthcare?

Maybe not that high, but they'll have to go up at some point even without this bill.

Yes and with this bill tax rates will have to reach social unrest levels....

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Time to start the tough battles in the courts.

Time for another Civil War.

Why, the South looking to get it's ass kicked again?

 

[EriktheRed]

We are far richer than all those countries combined. Our poor live better than their middle class. Yes, they are failures, we are not.

We're richer, but "Our poor live better than their middle class" is not true at all. And no, there are some ways they have their shit together that we don't at the moment despite our wealth so they're not failures like the USSR or N. Korea or Cuba. They're also not totally socialist, which I and a good many on here who support this legislation don't want to see happen here and don't believe that it will just because of this.

 

[EriktheRed]

Time to start the tough battles in the courts.

Time for another Civil War.

There won't be one, dumbass.

 

[jreeves]

Time to start the tough battles in the courts.

Time for another Civil War.

Requiring citizens to purchase health care is unconstitutional and that aspect of this law will be struck down by the courts. Gotta love the American check and balance system.

 

[007]

Time to start the tough battles in the courts.

Time for another Civil War.

Why, the South looking to get it's ass kicked again?

Nope... it'll be the liberals turn this time.

 

[007]

Time to start the tough battles in the courts.

Time for another Civil War.

Requiring citizens to purchase health care is unconstitutional and that aspect of this law will be struck down by the courts. Gotta love the American check and balance system.

You bet it's unconstitutional, and the law suits will be flying. Don't know if the Supreme Court will even hear it though.

There's already 37 states that have legislation written that will ban the feds from enforcing this in their states.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Time to start the tough battles in the courts.

Time for another Civil War.

There won't be one, dumbass.

gawd, the Right Wing Choir is in full falsetto and heels tonight.