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We could limit robotics for mass producing food and basic goods to allow for the minimum. We could of course maintain a standard that allows for work for people outside of these areas. why would one want to flip burgers? Scan or sort crap??? The jobs can be focusing on things that matter.
If they are perfectly healthy, and perfectly fine, and every opportunity that they get, they turn down, and don't want to work?I'll admit that there's a lot to think about but at the very least I don't believe people belong on the side of the street or freezing in the rain. Can we all agree?
I believe there will always be jobs and the ability to innovate. People if they wish to work should be able to become wealthy and to work to their hearts content. I am just saying that no one should have to suffer or be on the side of the street.If they are perfectly healthy, and perfectly fine, and every opportunity that they get, they turn down, and don't want to work?
Why not?
Are you saying they have the right to rob people if they don't wan to work?
Laws should also be placed on production and rent to make sure that the producers and suppliers can't attempt to put people on the street or make food far too costly to eat. We should make damn sure this minimum is held and set at the avg for any given area to assure rent + food.
I'll go as far as to suggest if one wants to live very poorly then they can live that way and follow their hobbies. Society shouldn't be against such people. Maybe such people could invent something and become rich? That rich person then would pay taxes and pay it back. Maybe such people could instead get a better education and choose one day to get a higher paying job? Paying more taxes and paying it back! Maybe such people would have a higher quality of life without stress and that is an ethical right position.
So you think the people that do work should pay for all you people who don't? And you think you should have an equal say through voting as those who actually contribute?I believe there will always be jobs and the ability to innovate. People if they wish to work should be able to become wealthy and to work to their hearts content. I am just saying that no one should have to suffer or be on the side of the street.
The problem with the Soviet union is it relied on workers that were human to do the production. It wasn't efficient and so it didn't work as humans expect something and so the state had to use force. This is why A.i and robots are probably the solution and I am not saying that one shouldn't be able to work and have the ability to function in a capitalic way. I am saying that we should use this tech to set a minimum.That's what Karl Marx said. Turned out real well for the Soviet Union, didn't it.
Maybe at the store with the price of the good, but in general their will probably be no more taxes then now. We're talking about machines and once they're in place they will be able to work for decades on end, so most of the resources will come out of corporate resources.So you think the people that do work should pay for all you people who don't? And you think you should have an equal say through voting as those who actually contribute?
Maybe we can use foodstamps and UBI stamps depending on rather it is food or not. UBI stamps can be for machine or robotic produced goods and can be done the same way as foodstamps.Maybe at the store with the price of the good, but in general their will probably be no more taxes then now. We're talking about machines and once they're in place they will be able to work for decades on end, so most of the resources will come out of corporate resources.
The problem with the Soviet union is it relied on workers that were human to do the production. It wasn't efficient and so it didn't work as humans expect something and so the state had to use force. This is why A.i and robots are probably the solution and I am not saying that one shouldn't be able to work and have the ability to function in a capitalic way. I am saying that we should use this tech to set a minimum.
Are the Robots and A.I. going to pay income tax? Asking for a laid off worker.Maybe at the store with the price of the good, but in general their will probably be no more taxes then now. We're talking about machines and once they're in place they will be able to work for decades on end, so most of the resources will come out of corporate resources.
If folks are too old to work, or if they are mentally ill, or have some disability that the social security administration, in consultation with medical professionals, has determined, that they are no longer able to be gainfully employed, I do see your point, yes, of course. No one in our nation does have to be on the street. We have laws to make sure this does not happen.I am just saying that no one should have to suffer or be on the side of the street.
I think Musk said something about a value added tax, and Gates commented on this as well. . .Are the Robots and A.I. going to pay income tax? Asking for a laid off worker.
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I think Musk said something about a value added tax, and Gates commented on this as well. . .
But he foresees putting those replaced workers to use, working someplace else?
Robot taxes and universal basic income: How do we manage our automated future?
As more and more jobs are becoming automated, the world faces a dramatic shift in the underlying structures of its labor economies over the next 20 to 50 years. The conversation is slowly becoming more prominent in the mainstream with several major figures highlighting the problem and proposing…
How a VAT could tax the rich and pay for universal basic income | Brookings
A value-added tax with a UBI would be a progressive tax that raises much-needed federal revenue.
Oh, you have a choice.I disagree that anyone needs to work. It should be a choice but not forced.
Think about it. What I am really saying is turning this on its head where the American citizen doesn't ever need to go without basic food and shelter. We can use this aid money to go where it belongs.
In fantasy land. That's the only place this fairy dust idea will ever happenThink about it. What I am really saying is turning this on its head where the American citizen doesn't ever need to go without basic food and shelter. We can use this aid money to go where it belongs.
Assuming what you say is true, millions of jobs will be done by robots, the very wealthy are already past the planning stage and engaged in massive population reduction.For the destitute that are too sick to work, too disabled, and have no long term prospects of getting better, the social security administration has programs to make sure they will not live on the streets.
For any other able bodied person in our society, no, what you are suggesting is still folly.
This type of drivel, shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic economic principles, i.e., supply and demand. The only way this will work, is if we have a fully automated work force.
It may, in the future, be possible, to have some sort of subsistence level UBI, when robots take over jobs, like mass shipping, logging, mining, carpentry, and a whole host of other jobs, that will put masses, I mean hundreds of thousands, even millions, of technical skilled workers out of a jobs. I am even reading now, that highly skilled, degreed jobs, and artistic jobs, are starting to be done by AI.
At this point, we may indeed, need some strategy, or way, to feed, house and cloth, all these masses of workers affected by economic dislocations, where no more gainful employment is available. For what types of gainful employment would be available, if all trade jobs are being done by robots, and all highly technical and skilled work is done by AI?
But that time? Seems to be, still, some time off yet. A decade?
Robots Could Relieve Skilled Tradespersons From Repetitive Work
". . . Statistics show that 54% of construction contractors have trouble finding enough skilled workers. Relatedly, 81% of respondents said the skilled tradespeople they do have must take on more work to accommodate the lack.
Robots could play an instrumental role in handling the tasks that could make skilled workers more prone to fatigue and injuries. Jim Page is a veteran of the heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) industry who currently trains apprentices. He gave an example of how robots could help with welding.
“In the shop production side, if it takes three welders to get it done and part of the process being done by two of those welders is a repetitive process, that process could be put into a jig and could be performed by a robot.” However, that doesn’t take humans out of the picture.. . "
How Do Robotics Affect Skilled Trade Jobs? | RoboticsTomorrow
With more companies bringing robotics and automation into their facilities, many people understandably wonder if machines will eventually replace their jobs.www.roboticstomorrow.com
And yet? Once the OTR semis do become truly able to be driver-less? This is something we may have to grapple with.
Research Summary. The trucking industry is vital to the U.S.’s economy, as just about every necessity and convenience depend on this industry in some form or another. Here are some statistics about the truck driving industry:
- Trucks move about 72.5% of America’s freight by weight.
- The trucking industry earned $875.5 billion in revenue in 2021.
- There are about 3.5 million employed truck drivers in the U.S. as of 2021.
- There are 1,102,799 for-hire trucking carriers in the U.S.
- U.S. trucks moved 10.93 billion tons of freight in 2021.
- There are 4.06 million semi-trucks operating in the U.S. as of 2021.
23+ Trucking Industry Statistics [2023]: Surprising Facts On American Trucking - Zippia
The trucking industry is vital to the U.S.’s economy, as just about every necessity and convenience depend on this industry in some form or another.www.zippia.com
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Self-Driving Trucks: Are Truck Drivers Out of a Job? | ATBS
When it comes to self-driving trucks, the main thing on truck drivers’ minds is the security of their jobs. Let’s take a closer look at self-driving trucks.www.atbs.com
So. . . not too long to figure something out? Will other fields open up for low skilled workers?
But you don't understand basic economics.Think about it. What I am really saying is turning this on its head where the American citizen doesn't ever need to go without basic food and shelter. We can use this aid money to go where it belongs.
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this aid money to go where it belongs.
Oh, I definitely agree.Assuming what you say is true, millions of jobs will be done by robots, the very wealthy are already past the planning stage and engaged in massive population reduction.
The way it works is not to create an altruistic society where the weak are cared for and indulgence is tolerated. The weak and poor are simply killed off.
