Israelis are getting their own state, Palestinians: No ... Obama and contradictions

[JStone]

No, there was no Israel from the time of Hadrian until 1948. There was a Palestine, just as there was a Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. in the period between world wars. It was a mandate territory. What does it say on Abbas's birth certificate? Israel? Mandate Palestine?

Safed is in Israel now, but wasn't when he was born. However, Abbas could accurately say he was born in Israel and accurately say he was born in Palestine. Just like a Kosovar could accurately say he/she was born in Yugoslavia or born in Serbia.

Hadrian was a foreign occupier in Israel, from Italy. The Jews established Israel 3000 years ago and the Jews have continuously called their land Israel to today.

 

[JStone]

No, there was no Israel from the time of Hadrian until 1948. There was a Palestine, just as there was a Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. in the period between world wars. It was a mandate territory. What does it say on Abbas's birth certificate? Israel? Mandate Palestine?

Safed is in Israel now, but wasn't when he was born. However, Abbas could accurately say he was born in Israel and accurately say he was born in Palestine. Just like a Kosovar could accurately say he/she was born in Yugoslavia or born in Serbia.

Edit: Again with the same quotes. I'm tired of this argument ad nauseam.

Israel was renamed Palestine by the British who were foreign occupiers. The Jews have referred to their land as Israel for 3000 years.

Historian Bernard Lewis...

With the British conquest in 1917-1918 and the subsequent of a mandated territory in the conquered areas, Palestine became the official name of a definite territory. To begin with, this designation was acceptable neither to Jews nor Arabs. From the Jewish point of view it restored a name associated in the Jewish historic memory with the largely successful Roman attempt to destroy and obliterate the Jewish identity of the land of Israel. It was a name which had never been used in Jewish history or literature, and the very associations of which were hateful. From the outset, Jews living under the Mandate refused to use this name in Hebrew but instead used what had become the common Jewish designation of the country---Eretz Yisrael, the land of Israel. After a long battle, it was agreed that the official designation of the country in Hebrew on postage stamps, coins, etc would be Palestina, transcribed into Hebrew letters but followed by the abbreviation "aleph yod" For Jews, this was a common abbreviation for Eretz Yisrael.

 

[pgm]

Hadrian was a foreign occupier in Israel, from Italy. The Jews established Israel 3000 years ago and the Jews have continuously called their land Israel to today.

I dispute none of this.

Abbas is still a Palestinian President born in Palestine.

 

[JStone]

Hadrian was a foreign occupier in Israel, from Italy. The Jews established Israel 3000 years ago and the Jews have continuously called their land Israel to today.

I dispute none of this.

Abbas is still a Palestinian President born in Palestine.

Palestine is an illegitimate name invented by the British after WW I. Jews established sovereignty over Israel 3000 years ago and Israel has been the name of the Jews' land since then.

Historian Bernard Lewis...

The countries forming the western arm of the Fertile Crescent were called by the names of the various kingdoms and peoples that ruled and inhabited them. Of these, the most familiar, or at least the best documented, are the southern lands, known in the earlier books of the Hebrew Bible and some other ancient writings as Canaan. After the Israelite conquest and settlement, the area inhabited by them came to be described as "land of the children of Israel" or simply "land of Israel" After the breakup of the kingdom of David and Solomon in the tenth century BCE, the southern part, with Jerusalem as its capital, was called Judah, while the north was called Israel

 

[pgm]

If the Jewish people were the sole occupants of Israel for 3000 years, you'd have a point. But as other people have lived on that land over different times, it has acquired more than one name.

Pennsylvania was not the original name of the land I was born in either. It had a name for 3000 years before that. I was still born in Pennsylvania.

 

[thetor]

YOU really are a Fucking Idiot...........It's Israel that has Murdered 10 times as many Palestinians than the other way round. YOU SPEAK WITH NOT A FORK TONGUE BUT A JEWISH TONGUE.tor

The Palestinian could easily circumvent the Israelis by recognizing it is a state..and entitled to security. But no..they insist on pursuing an impossible to achieve outcome.

No..Israel is not going away.

And yes..the United States supports a 2 state solution.

That should be the start point.

Obama's problem is not that Mahmoud Abbas does not want to recognize Israel ... Mahmoud Abbas recognizes Israel
Obama's problem is that he wants the Palestinians to resolve their problems with the Israelis first, before they getting a state ... But he does not ask the same thing from Israelis!! Is not this racial and religious discrimination?

Israels land, period. Maybe the palestinian invaders ought to stop killing the jews if they want to be recognized for anything other than murdering invaders.

 

[thetor]

Fucking contradictory hypocrite............What a Dick Head tor

The first Israeli presidents were born in Russia, which was true of much of the leadership in the early days of the state. The first native-born president, as well as the first with a Sephardic background, was Yitzhak Navon.
President of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where are the native born "Presidents" of "Palestine"?

 

[JStone]

YOU really are a Fucking Idiot...........It's Israel that has Murdered 10 times as many Palestinians than the other way round. YOU SPEAK WITH NOT A FORK TONGUE BUT A JEWISH TONGUE.tor

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer George Will...

In the intifada that began in 2000, Palestinian terrorism killed more than 1,000 Israelis. As a portion of U.S. population, that would be 42,000, approaching the toll of America's eight years in Vietnam. During the onslaught, which began 10 Septembers ago, Israeli parents sending two children to a school would put them on separate buses to decrease the chance that neither would return for dinner


The intifada was launched by the late Yasser Arafat -- terrorist and Nobel Peace Prize winner -- after the July 2000 Camp David meeting, during which then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to cede control of all of Gaza and more than 90 percent of the West Bank, with small swaps of land to accommodate the growth of Jerusalem suburbs just across the 1949 armistice line.

Furthermore, the intifada was part of a pattern. As in 1936 and 1947, talk about partition prompted Arab violence.
In 1936, when the British administered Palestine, the Peel Commission concluded that there was "an irrepressible conflict" -- a phrase coined by an American historian to describe the U.S. Civil War -- "between two national communities within the narrow bounds of one small country." And: "Neither of the two national ideals permits" a combination "in the service of a single state." The commission recommended "a surgical operation" -- partition. What followed was the Arab Revolt of 1936 to 1939.

On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations recommended a partition plan. Israel accepted the recommendation. On Nov. 30, Israel was attacked.

In the 62 years since this homeland was founded on one-sixth of 1 percent of the land of what is carelessly and inaccurately called "the Arab world," Israelis have never known an hour of real peace.

George F. Will - Skip the lecture on Israel's 'risks for peace'

My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no god but allah, we will chase you everywhere We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood, we will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries.

 

[docmauser1]

Obama treats the Israelis as they are states, and democratic too!

Does he treat palistanians "as they are processes"?

But when the Palestinians ask for their right to have a state, Mr. Obama, by requiring them to resolve their problems with the Israelis and work on peace with them first

Aren't palistanians civilised, yet?

Why Israelis got their country recognize it from the West, and they were at war back then with their neighbors and no one asked them for a peace first ...

See, arab practices of the highway redistribution of someone else's property do not pay.

But with the Palestinians, overtaken! Is this justice and equality of Western-style

Nah, it's arab bullshittt, arab-style.

 

[docmauser1]

YOU really are a Fucking Idiot...........It's Israel that has Murdered 10 times as many Palestinians than the other way round.

Palistanians refuse to learn that living by the sword doesn't pay as those, who lives by the sword get shot by those who doesn't. But I agree, burning jet fuel hunting and offing two-three palistanian rocket-launching schmucks with an expensive ordnance is, indeed, disproportionate, while launching a proprtionate number of cheap dumb rockets in the general direction of Gaza in return, of course, is. But then palistanians may find it offensive as they prefer to be expensive for everybody. Gucci palistanians, no?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fucking contradictory hypocrite............What a Dick Head tor

The first Israeli presidents were born in Russia, which was true of much of the leadership in the early days of the state. The first native-born president, as well as the first with a Sephardic background, was Yitzhak Navon.
President of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where are the native born "Presidents" of "Palestine"?

Why so angry? Jewish guy banging your ex?

 

[JStone]

Fucking contradictory hypocrite............What a Dick Head tor

Where are the native born "Presidents" of "Palestine"?

Why so angry? Jewish guy banging your ex?

If your heroes in life were Arabs and, even worse, Palestinian Arabs, you'd be pretty angry, too.