Is Marriage Dead?

[syrenn]

What use is marriage in a society that does not penalize people for being sexually active? Now that DNA can designate a Daddy and most women have to work anyway......does it still have value for young people?

I don't see marriage as a "use". I see marriage as a "want" The stigma of chidren without two parents is long gone. People have to want to be married.

I actually feel that marriage is a value that young people need to get a better grasp on. The youngs idea of instant gratification and nothing is not fast enough is sad. A happy marriage takes commitment from both parties involved, it is not something to stroke you vanity or play at.

Alot of young people in the States want to have fun and have a quality life style, you cannot do that married with several children. Being single with a job gives you the chance to have fun with little responsibility except to yourself, that all changes when you have kids and get married.

First off you are assuming marriage means having children. You are also amusing that being married means that you are giving up on the quality of your life.

 

[High_Gravity]

I don't see marriage as a "use". I see marriage as a "want" The stigma of chidren without two parents is long gone. People have to want to be married.

I actually feel that marriage is a value that young people need to get a better grasp on. The youngs idea of instant gratification and nothing is not fast enough is sad. A happy marriage takes commitment from both parties involved, it is not something to stroke you vanity or play at.

Alot of young people in the States want to have fun and have a quality life style, you cannot do that married with several children. Being single with a job gives you the chance to have fun with little responsibility except to yourself, that all changes when you have kids and get married.

First off you are assuming marriage means having children. You are also amusing that being married means that you are giving up on the quality of your life.

You are correct you don't have to have children to be married, however not having children does not guarantee that your marriage will succeed. Also if you do have children your quality of life will go down because you to have to spend alot of money on children to care for them, such as food, clothes, school supplies, sports (which could cost hundreds of dollars a year), even if you have a good job the quality of your lifestyle does go down because you have to spend so much money on the kids. I guess this doesn't apply to married people without children but it definently does to the people that do.

 

[Trajan]

Is Marriage dead? uhmm, hold on....


"hey honey?"


"yea"..

"is marriage dead?"


"you better hope not"...

naaahh its cool.

 

[syrenn]

Alot of young people in the States want to have fun and have a quality life style, you cannot do that married with several children. Being single with a job gives you the chance to have fun with little responsibility except to yourself, that all changes when you have kids and get married.

First off you are assuming marriage means having children. You are also amusing that being married means that you are giving up on the quality of your life.

You are correct you don't have to have children to be married, however not having children does not guarantee that your marriage will succeed. Also if you do have children your quality of life will go down because you to have to spend alot of money on children to care for them, such as food, clothes, school supplies, sports (which could cost hundreds of dollars a year), even if you have a good job the quality of your lifestyle does go down because you have to spend so much money on the kids. I guess this doesn't apply to married people without children but it definently does to the people that do.

You don't have to be married to have children. Unmarried people have these very same lifestyle problems that married couples with children.

Children do not make a marriage between two people. They are along for the ride so to speak. There are no guarantees to a successful marriage. A marriage is what you make it out to be. Its success is up to both parties involved.

What i am understand you to be saying is that children are the lifestyle changing problem and not so much marriage itself.

In that i agree. Children do change everything.

 

[JBeukema]

IMO, marriage has lost ts tyranny. It is not the only way any longer; there are others. I think this is a great thing, and that those who choose it will be more likely to succeed, as fewer do so from pressure by parents, etc. to conform.

Since when do you want women to choose anything for themselves?

You've repeatedly women who 'seem to think' they want to have a family and care for their children as backwards and 'unliberated'.

Your 'liberated woman' has no respect for herself and makes herslef a disposable sex object while leaving her children to be reared by the State- or by noone at all.

Ms. Lukas already exposed your game.

 

[JBeukema]

What use is marriage in a society that does not penalize people for being sexually active? Now that DNA can designate a Daddy and most women have to work anyway......does it still have value for young people?

I don't see marriage as a "use". I see marriage as a "want" The stigma of chidren without two parents is long gone. People have to want to be married.

I actually feel that marriage is a value that young people need to get a better grasp on. The youngs idea of instant gratification and nothing is not fast enough is sad. A happy marriage takes commitment from both parties involved, it is not something to stroke you vanity or play at.

Alot of young people in the States want to have fun and have a quality life style, you cannot do that married with several children.

1) Penty of people have children and enjoy quality lives

2) Not ready to put your kids first? THEN DON'T HAVE FUCKING CHILDREN. As soon as you have a child, nothing you want matters anymore. It's time to grow up and put your child first.

 

[JBeukema]

The trend is clear: pissguzzler and Maddie are railing against one thing... personal responsibility


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY[/ame]

If you're old enough to fuck and have kids, you're old enough to be responsible for your children.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[ekrem]

(...)
People tend to think money has something to do with the high divorce rates but it actually doesn't, people with higher incomes actually get divorced at higher rates than people with lesser money. Look at these people for examples, Tony Parker, Shaquille O'neal, Dwayne Wade and Mel Gibson. (...)

Maybe those men married problematic women and realized this only at a later point after marriage. Not everyone has the nerves to deal with problematic women a life-time.
Especially if you've the money to 'buy' a new one (celebrity-factor).

 

[High_Gravity]

The trend is clear: pissguzzler and Maddie are railing against one thing... personal responsibility


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY

If you're old enough to fuck and have kids, you're old enough to be responsible for your children.

You can't have it both ways.

There you go talkin shit again .

 

[High_Gravity]

The trend is clear: pissguzzler and Maddie are railing against one thing... personal responsibility


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY

If you're old enough to fuck and have kids, you're old enough to be responsible for your children.

You can't have it both ways.

What does being responsible for children have to do with being married you stupid fuck stick?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Americans in general have become more selfish, which is one of the reasons the institution of marriage is a failure. I appreciate your statistics that more children that come from 2 parent homes do well but what are we supposed to do? become a theocracy like Iran and force men and women to stay married to each other? if people are not happy in a marriage it will fail and they will leave it.

"what are we supposed to do?"

While I tend to write lengthy responses, this one begs for brevity:

BE A MAN

So being a man is staying in a marriage where both parties are miserable? I fail to see what "being a man" has to do with anything? are you saying marriage is a failure because men are not taking care of their responsibilities? women are doing nothing wrong than? you can still "be a man" without getting married.

Friend, judging by your post, you are not stupid...you know exactly what I mean.

But I relish the opportunity to review the situation.

1. I have no opinion about dating, hooking up, or what ever euphemism you choose.

2. But the critical period during which children are possible, is one for which both parties should take responsibility. Prior to such time, introspection should include, 'how will I assume responsibility if children result,' and 'how does this partner fit the model as a) a parent for my child, and b) a person to whom I can commit a lifetime'

Note, I have not commented on who or when you choose a partner, but simply that one should have made the decisions prior to 'the moment.'

If you hide behind some bogus 'not being able to help myself,' or the latest permutation, 'I'm a sex addict,' you should be prepared to stand by and raise that helpless innocent...and you deserve no respect for whinng about how 'unhappy' you are.

We humans are of a higher level because we have the ability, and obligation, to think about our actions.

What to do when you find yourself in a 'failed marriage'? My best guess is that you behave in a civil manner toward the spouse you once loved, and behave in a loving manner toward the child. For eighteen years...then go your way.

3. If you can behave otherwise, and still be happy with yourself, then we have no correspondence on this matter.

 

[ekrem]

Having a full-time wife, whom you can't simply send home, bears financial uncertainties.
After all, with marriage also comes fusion of wealth.

Celebrities have the money to do that divorce-thing again and again.

 

[JBeukema]

(...)
People tend to think money has something to do with the high divorce rates but it actually doesn't, people with higher incomes actually get divorced at higher rates than people with lesser money. Look at these people for examples, Tony Parker, Shaquille O'neal, Dwayne Wade and Mel Gibson. (...)

Maybe those men married problematic women and realized this only at a later point after marriage. Not everyone has the nerves to deal with problematic women a life-time.
Especially if you've the money to 'buy' a new one (celebrity-factor).

There was a reason for traditional courtship. It was to avoid the very problems you people keep citing as a condemnation of marriage. You're railing against a problem you've created.

 

[JBeukema]

The trend is clear: pissguzzler and Maddie are railing against one thing... personal responsibility


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY

If you're old enough to fuck and have kids, you're old enough to be responsible for your children.

You can't have it both ways.

What does being responsible for children have to do with being married you stupid fuck stick?

refer to PC's earlier post

 

[High_Gravity]

"what are we supposed to do?"

While I tend to write lengthy responses, this one begs for brevity:

BE A MAN

So being a man is staying in a marriage where both parties are miserable? I fail to see what "being a man" has to do with anything? are you saying marriage is a failure because men are not taking care of their responsibilities? women are doing nothing wrong than? you can still "be a man" without getting married.

Friend, judging by your post, you are not stupid...you know exactly what I mean.

But I relish the opportunity to review the situation.

1. I have no opinion about dating, hooking up, or what ever euphemism you choose.

2. But the critical period during which children are possible, is one for which both parties should take responsibility. Prior to such time, introspection should include, 'how will I assume responsibility if children result,' and 'how does this partner fit the model as a) a parent for my child, and b) a person to whom I can commit a lifetime'

Note, I have not commented on who or when you choose a partner, but simply that one should have made the decisions prior to 'the moment.'

If you hide behind some bogus 'not being able to help myself,' or the latest permutation, 'I'm a sex addict,' you should be prepared to stand by and raise that helpless innocent...and you deserve no respect for whinng about how 'unhappy' you are.

We humans are of a higher level because we have the ability, and obligation, to think about our actions.

What to do when you find yourself in a 'failed marriage'? My best guess is that you behave in a civil manner toward the spouse you once loved, and behave in a loving manner toward the child. For eighteen years...then go your way.

3. If you can behave otherwise, and still be happy with yourself, then we have no correspondence on this matter.

Have you ever been married? staying married with someone that you no longer love for 18 years can do more damage to the children than actually helping them, when the kids see their mom and dad fighting and screaming at each other everyday how does that help their development? A large part of why alot of marriages fail is because people feel obligated to get married to someone because they have children, and then it all ends up burning to the ground anyways. Alot of the times you really don't know the person you married until its too late.

 

[High_Gravity]

The trend is clear: pissguzzler and Maddie are railing against one thing... personal responsibility


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY

If you're old enough to fuck and have kids, you're old enough to be responsible for your children.

You can't have it both ways.

What does being responsible for children have to do with being married you stupid fuck stick?

refer to PC's earlier post

Yeah whatever.

 

[JBeukema]

What does being responsible for children have to do with being married you stupid fuck stick?

refer to PC's earlier post

Yeah whatever.

I know, she used some big word and wrote past a third-grade reading level. It's difficult for you, isn't it? I'm not surprised you can't form an intelligent rebuttal. It's par for the course with you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So being a man is staying in a marriage where both parties are miserable? I fail to see what "being a man" has to do with anything? are you saying marriage is a failure because men are not taking care of their responsibilities? women are doing nothing wrong than? you can still "be a man" without getting married.

Friend, judging by your post, you are not stupid...you know exactly what I mean.

But I relish the opportunity to review the situation.

1. I have no opinion about dating, hooking up, or what ever euphemism you choose.

2. But the critical period during which children are possible, is one for which both parties should take responsibility. Prior to such time, introspection should include, 'how will I assume responsibility if children result,' and 'how does this partner fit the model as a) a parent for my child, and b) a person to whom I can commit a lifetime'

Note, I have not commented on who or when you choose a partner, but simply that one should have made the decisions prior to 'the moment.'

If you hide behind some bogus 'not being able to help myself,' or the latest permutation, 'I'm a sex addict,' you should be prepared to stand by and raise that helpless innocent...and you deserve no respect for whinng about how 'unhappy' you are.

We humans are of a higher level because we have the ability, and obligation, to think about our actions.

What to do when you find yourself in a 'failed marriage'? My best guess is that you behave in a civil manner toward the spouse you once loved, and behave in a loving manner toward the child. For eighteen years...then go your way.

3. If you can behave otherwise, and still be happy with yourself, then we have no correspondence on this matter.

Have you ever been married? staying married with someone that you no longer love for 18 years can do more damage to the children than actually helping them, when the kids see their mom and dad fighting and screaming at each other everyday how does that help their development? A large part of why alot of marriages fail is because people feel obligated to get married to someone because they have children, and then it all ends up burning to the ground anyways. Alot of the times you really don't know the person you married until its too late.

Then don't have children...there are simple office procedures that will obviate all of your considerations.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not recommending same: I have found children to be...I don't wish to get too saccharine here, but....a blessing. And I'm with mine 24/7.

Hope you make the right decisions.

 

[ekrem]

Don't make any children with women you are unsure about.
If children are involved it gets more complicated, and you'll probably end-up living a disillusioning marriage for the sake of children's future, so they grow-up with both parents under one roof.

Celebrities just will pay aliments to the divorced wife if children are involved.
And make new children.

 

[High_Gravity]

refer to PC's earlier post

Yeah whatever.

I know, she used some big word any wrote past a third-grade reading level. It's difficult for you, isn't it? I'm not surprised you can't form an intelligent rebuttal. It's par for the course with you.

Whatever bitch all you do is come on here to talk shit, plus your dumb as fuck as well. "she used some big word any wrote past a third grade reading level" what the hell does that mean? you are stupid as fuck.