Is Hillary's e-mail scandal falling apart?

[westwall]

the company maintaining her server had no security clearance

So? They weren't reading her emails either. And there was no classified info in her emails, anyway, so it's a moot point.

Are you truly that stupid? If this were a private company being this cavalier with security their entire board of directors would be up on charges. No classified emails can go ANYPLACE that has no security clearance. PERIOD. It is a FELONY you twit.

And more to the point (and the whole reason for security clearances in the first place you moron) is how the hell do you know WHO was reading them?

That's the whole point of having clearances.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Clinton Email Scandal Falls Apart As State Dept. Says There Was No Policy Against Private Email

Is this the beginning of the end of the GOP's scandal.

--LOL

 

[browsing deer]

the company maintaining her server had no security clearance

So? They weren't reading her emails either. And there was no classified info in her emails, anyway, so it's a moot point.

You know, lying makes people mad at you.

There was classified. And materials that was the highest level of secure.

And the server was not secure. Ordinary Americans can't know what it is that is in those emails. It is redacted any time some one wants to look at it. But, the bad guys in Tehran and Pongyang and Caracus most likely were reading it. All you had to have was her ISP address.

 

[jon_berzerk]

the company maintaining her server had no security clearance

So? They weren't reading her emails either. And there was no classified info in her emails, anyway, so it's a moot point.

You know, lying makes people mad at you.

There was classified. And materials that was the highest level of secure.

And the server was not secure. Ordinary Americans can't know what it is that is in those emails. It is redacted any time some one wants to look at it. But, the bad guys in Tehran and Pongyang and Caracus most likely were reading it. All you had to have was her ISP address.

what people really really hate is when a politician like clinton uses legalese loopholes like you didnt read the fine print to make it seem ok

 

[Oldstyle]

So did Hillary...how did that work out for her, Huggy?

She's still running isn't she? She is not being charged with any crimes is she?

This is just the continuation of the RWer disinformation campaign. I see it as an extension of the GOP promise to ruin Obama's presidency.

Bush started two wars. Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack on U S soil. Cheney made a fortune on Bush's wars. Rove and Cheney outed a CIA operative as payback for that operative doing her job.

The administration previous to Obama was in charge as the world economies went down in flames. ALL of the financial downfall can be traced directly to the banks in America.

And NOW you fools are wetting your pants about how a small terror attack was characterized in the press?

You are playing with your pee pee's in anticipation of some titillating news from Hillary's e-mails.

Sorry I unlike you have not lost my mind nor perspective on what constitutes dereliction of duty. That would be defined as what Bush did and did not do. That would be defined as what Rice, Cheney, Rove and Bush did and did not do.

You people are not even blessed with an imagination. What you get in a tizzy about is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that you are hateful people with no common sense of what is right or wrong.

I've got your number...

Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....

"Small terror attack"? Really, Huggy? Al Queda managed to attack a US consulate and kill our Ambassador. It was a serious terror attack.

Why are you even bringing up George W. Bush? He has NOTHING to do with what took place in Benghazi. This was an Obama Administration screw-up...a complete failure by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to protect our diplomatic staff...and then a full court press by the entire Obama apparatus to shift blame from themselves to some obscure YouTube video that ALSO had nothing to do with what took place in Benghazi.

That's right. A SMALL terrorist attack which the ambassador could have easily avoided had he been safe in the embassy on such an anniversary that had the whole world looking for reprisals.

The Ambassador and his puny contingent of security were obviously clearly in no position to handle an attack yet you morons want to blame Hillary.

You don't want the truth. You people NEVER want the truth. You are hideous hateful liars.

You will never win the Benghazi argument because you made it up out of whole cloth. You will never win the e-mail argument because NOTHING illegal occurred. There is no IS. There is no fire..just smoke you aholes are constantly attempting to blow up Americans asses.

So the fact that Hillary Clinton drew down the number of security personnel in Libya despite repeated requests from Christopher Stevens to maintain the same level absolves Clinton from blame for the subsequent deaths of Stevens and the other three men? You talk about the "truth", Huggy but then you buy the lies that the Clinton State Department hid behind so that she wouldn't be held responsible for those deaths.

It was Hillary Clinton that frantically put out the narratives about YouTube videos causing a demonstration that escalated into a full on attack...it was Hillary Clinton that floated the trial balloon attempting to blame the GOP's cuts to the State Department budget for the woeful security. It was Hillary Clinton that lied to the parents of those slain men. It was Hillary Clinton that hid documents and communications from Congressional investigators and then asked "What difference does it make!" when Congress attempted over and over again to get to the bottom of what happened in Libya.

 

[Oldstyle]

the company maintaining her server had no security clearance

So? They weren't reading her emails either. And there was no classified info in her emails, anyway, so it's a moot point.

I'm curious, Synth...how do you know what was in Hillary Clinton's e-mails since she erased over 50,000 of them? You've decided to take the word of someone that has a long history of not telling the truth?

 

[HUGGY]

So did Hillary...how did that work out for her, Huggy?

She's still running isn't she? She is not being charged with any crimes is she?

This is just the continuation of the RWer disinformation campaign. I see it as an extension of the GOP promise to ruin Obama's presidency.

Bush started two wars. Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack on U S soil. Cheney made a fortune on Bush's wars. Rove and Cheney outed a CIA operative as payback for that operative doing her job.

The administration previous to Obama was in charge as the world economies went down in flames. ALL of the financial downfall can be traced directly to the banks in America.

And NOW you fools are wetting your pants about how a small terror attack was characterized in the press?

You are playing with your pee pee's in anticipation of some titillating news from Hillary's e-mails.

Sorry I unlike you have not lost my mind nor perspective on what constitutes dereliction of duty. That would be defined as what Bush did and did not do. That would be defined as what Rice, Cheney, Rove and Bush did and did not do.

You people are not even blessed with an imagination. What you get in a tizzy about is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that you are hateful people with no common sense of what is right or wrong.

I've got your number...

Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....

"Small terror attack"? Really, Huggy? Al Queda managed to attack a US consulate and kill our Ambassador. It was a serious terror attack.

Why are you even bringing up George W. Bush? He has NOTHING to do with what took place in Benghazi. This was an Obama Administration screw-up...a complete failure by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to protect our diplomatic staff...and then a full court press by the entire Obama apparatus to shift blame from themselves to some obscure YouTube video that ALSO had nothing to do with what took place in Benghazi.

That's right. A SMALL terrorist attack which the ambassador could have easily avoided had he been safe in the embassy on such an anniversary that had the whole world looking for reprisals.

The Ambassador and his puny contingent of security were obviously clearly in no position to handle an attack yet you morons want to blame Hillary.

You don't want the truth. You people NEVER want the truth. You are hideous hateful liars.

You will never win the Benghazi argument because you made it up out of whole cloth. You will never win the e-mail argument because NOTHING illegal occurred. There is no IS. There is no fire..just smoke you aholes are constantly attempting to blow up Americans asses.

So the fact that Hillary Clinton drew down the number of security personnel in Libya despite repeated requests from Christopher Stevens to maintain the same level absolves Clinton from blame for the subsequent deaths of Stevens and the other three men? You talk about the "truth", Huggy but then you buy the lies that the Clinton State Department hid behind so that she wouldn't be held responsible for those deaths.

It was Hillary Clinton that frantically put out the narratives about YouTube videos causing a demonstration that escalated into a full on attack...it was Hillary Clinton that floated the trial balloon attempting to blame the GOP's cuts to the State Department budget for the woeful security. It was Hillary Clinton that lied to the parents of those slain men. It was Hillary Clinton that hid documents and communications from Congressional investigators and then asked "What difference does it make!" when Congress attempted over and over again to get to the bottom of what happened in Libya.

"Drawing down" resources was a direct result of congress cutting off funding to support the desired numbers of personnel. I might offer that the defunding was an obvious set up hoping that something like this would happen.

You people and your representatives in congress are evil to the bone. I detest you. You have ruined the politics of this nation reducing the co-operation that to some degree existed to childish insults making any agreement to anything impossible.

You gleefully create a pyramid scheme of lies and run with it. There is no moral rule you will not shit on. What you do for a hobby in attempting to destroy good people's efforts to make this a better nation is just disgusting gutter fighting for no purpose other than just spite when faced with an opponent fairly elected by decent Americans. Everything YOU stand for is indecent.

 

[Oldstyle]

So did Hillary...how did that work out for her, Huggy?

She's still running isn't she? She is not being charged with any crimes is she?

This is just the continuation of the RWer disinformation campaign. I see it as an extension of the GOP promise to ruin Obama's presidency.

Bush started two wars. Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack on U S soil. Cheney made a fortune on Bush's wars. Rove and Cheney outed a CIA operative as payback for that operative doing her job.

The administration previous to Obama was in charge as the world economies went down in flames. ALL of the financial downfall can be traced directly to the banks in America.

And NOW you fools are wetting your pants about how a small terror attack was characterized in the press?

You are playing with your pee pee's in anticipation of some titillating news from Hillary's e-mails.

Sorry I unlike you have not lost my mind nor perspective on what constitutes dereliction of duty. That would be defined as what Bush did and did not do. That would be defined as what Rice, Cheney, Rove and Bush did and did not do.

You people are not even blessed with an imagination. What you get in a tizzy about is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that you are hateful people with no common sense of what is right or wrong.

I've got your number...

Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....

"Small terror attack"? Really, Huggy? Al Queda managed to attack a US consulate and kill our Ambassador. It was a serious terror attack.

Why are you even bringing up George W. Bush? He has NOTHING to do with what took place in Benghazi. This was an Obama Administration screw-up...a complete failure by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to protect our diplomatic staff...and then a full court press by the entire Obama apparatus to shift blame from themselves to some obscure YouTube video that ALSO had nothing to do with what took place in Benghazi.

That's right. A SMALL terrorist attack which the ambassador could have easily avoided had he been safe in the embassy on such an anniversary that had the whole world looking for reprisals.

The Ambassador and his puny contingent of security were obviously clearly in no position to handle an attack yet you morons want to blame Hillary.

You don't want the truth. You people NEVER want the truth. You are hideous hateful liars.

You will never win the Benghazi argument because you made it up out of whole cloth. You will never win the e-mail argument because NOTHING illegal occurred. There is no IS. There is no fire..just smoke you aholes are constantly attempting to blow up Americans asses.

So the fact that Hillary Clinton drew down the number of security personnel in Libya despite repeated requests from Christopher Stevens to maintain the same level absolves Clinton from blame for the subsequent deaths of Stevens and the other three men? You talk about the "truth", Huggy but then you buy the lies that the Clinton State Department hid behind so that she wouldn't be held responsible for those deaths.

It was Hillary Clinton that frantically put out the narratives about YouTube videos causing a demonstration that escalated into a full on attack...it was Hillary Clinton that floated the trial balloon attempting to blame the GOP's cuts to the State Department budget for the woeful security. It was Hillary Clinton that lied to the parents of those slain men. It was Hillary Clinton that hid documents and communications from Congressional investigators and then asked "What difference does it make!" when Congress attempted over and over again to get to the bottom of what happened in Libya.

"Drawing down" resources was a direct result of congress cutting off funding to support the desired numbers of personnel. I might offer that the defunding was an obvious set up hoping that something like this would happen.

You people and your representatives in congress are evil to the bone. I detest you. You have ruined the politics of this nation reducing the co-operation that to some degree existed to childish insults making any agreement to anything impossible.

You gleefully create a pyramid scheme of lies and run with it. There is no moral rule you will not shit on. What you do for a hobby in attempting to destroy good people's efforts to make this a better nation is just disgusting gutter fighting for no purpose other than just spite when faced with an opponent fairly elected by decent Americans. Everything YOU stand for is indecent.

That is total and complete BULLSHIT, Huggy! Charlene Lamb, the person in charge of personnel for Libya with the State Department was asked when she testified under oath in front of a Congressional committee if budget cuts had anything to do with security being drawn down in Libya and she stated that budget cuts had ZERO to do with how many security people were in Benghazi. She stated under oath that the State Department had exactly as many security people there as they thought were needed.

That whole narrative was nothing more than a rather weak attempt by Hillary Clinton to deflect blame away from herself. Unfortunately for Hillary...not everyone at State was willing to lie for her. As soon as Lamb's testimony was on the record you didn't hear another peep about budget cuts being responsible for the murders of those men coming from the Obama Administration or Clinton. Now you only hear that narrative coming from clueless partisans like yourself...too stupid to know that trial balloon got SHREDDED long ago!

 

[Esmeralda]

RWs have no use for facts or truth so, they'll keep flogging this and lying about for years to come.

It illustrates how desperate they are, and their lack of courage to allow the voters to decide during the General Election.

They know that if Hillary comes out of this unscathed, as it looks like she will, there is NO ONE in the GOP clown car that can even get within 10 points of her. They will fan the flames and propagate lies, hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Truly. These are the people who think Donald Trump is a viable presidential candidate. They have no discernable rational thought at all.

 

[Oldstyle]

RWs have no use for facts or truth so, they'll keep flogging this and lying about for years to come.

It illustrates how desperate they are, and their lack of courage to allow the voters to decide during the General Election.

They know that if Hillary comes out of this unscathed, as it looks like she will, there is NO ONE in the GOP clown car that can even get within 10 points of her. They will fan the flames and propagate lies, hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Truly. These are the people who think Donald Trump is a viable presidential candidate. They have no discernable rational thought at all.

Coming from someone who probably voted twice for Barack "I don't have a clue what I'm doing" Obama...that's rather amusing, Esmeralda! Just saying...

 

[JimH52]

If the GOP does not stop Donald Trump, they will suffer the most embarrassing loss in 2016, ever. And it does not matter who the Dems run. His supporters are drinking his poison. It is amazing that he has fooled so many people in the GOP.

GO DONALD!

 

[Zoom-boing]

the company maintaining her server had no security clearance

So? They weren't reading her emails either. And there was no classified info in her emails, anyway, so it's a moot point.

First off, that you have zero problem with the company/people maintaining the Secretary of State's computer server having zero security clearance speaks volumes. Really, the sheer idiocy of that is truly astounding.

Second, you are wrong.

"We know for a fact Clinton held classified information on her private Home Brew server. We know that that Home Brew server wasn’t equipped with the proper security protocols to process or store that classified information.

I can also tell you that an organization which submitted a FOIA request specifically for Clinton’s private emails during the time frame surrounding the Benghazi attack, just received their first reply. As you might have guessed, everything they passed over was redacted and marked as classified. All of it.

Again, this isn’t a big surprise. The Secretary of State talks about classified stuff all the time, comes with the job."

I'm a Former U.S. Government IT Professional. Hillary Clinton's Email Actions Flirt With Treason.

"One of the emails that triggered the FBI probe into Hillary Clinton’s server contained classified intelligence from three different agencies, Fox News has learned – which could mean the State Department violated a President Obama-signed executive order by authorizing its release."

Exclusive: State Dept.-released Clinton email had classified intel from 3 agencies, in possible violation


But you guys just keep excusing clinton, keep saying what difference does it make.

Baaaaa.

 

[Oldstyle]

How exactly does that work? On one hand the Clinton camp assures us that nothing on her private e-mail servers were of a sensitive nature...while at the same time it seems to be sensitive enough that they needed to redact most of it before they would release those e-mails under a Freedom of Information Act request?

I would imagine given her age that it was the Nixon White House that turned Hillary Clinton from a Republican supporter to a Democratic supporter. I wonder if she's thought about how ironic it is that after all these years, she is now acting more like Tricky Dick than anyone else in Washington?

 

[Esmeralda]

RWs have no use for facts or truth so, they'll keep flogging this and lying about for years to come.

It illustrates how desperate they are, and their lack of courage to allow the voters to decide during the General Election.

They know that if Hillary comes out of this unscathed, as it looks like she will, there is NO ONE in the GOP clown car that can even get within 10 points of her. They will fan the flames and propagate lies, hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Truly. These are the people who think Donald Trump is a viable presidential candidate. They have no discernable rational thought at all.

Coming from someone who probably voted twice for Barack "I don't have a clue what I'm doing" Obama...that's rather amusing, Esmeralda! Just saying...

What a stupid thing for you to say. Just childish and stupid.

For one thing, for anyone on the entire planet to think there is a comparison between Obama and Trump is crazy. Not even one of the weak and rather pathetic line up of current GOP candidates is anywhere near someone I would compare Trump to. Trump is a nut case. He is not a viable candidate for the the White House. He is not a viable person or individual to lead the free world, to lead the strongest nation on the planet. You people who support him have lost your minds.

For the second thing, I'm not and never was a cheer leader for Obama: I wanted Mrs. Clinton, not Obama. At the same time, he has been viciously and without precedence or with any reason, been accused of being a horrible president, when the facts are that he has been quite adequate, to the point he is rated at 18 by presidential historians (while, BTW, GW Bush is rated nearly last).

So, people like you seem to live in some wierd, perverted la la land that not only ignores reality but makes up a skewed one to fit your perverse wishful image of what reality should be. God help us if someone like Trump actually makes it to the White House: we would be at war literally and figuratively with most of the world within months. He is completely without the skills, intellect, knowledge and understanding to be the US President. The fact people like you in the GOP don't realize that is absolutely shocking and a sad, sad insight into contemporary America.

 

[JimH52]

RWs have no use for facts or truth so, they'll keep flogging this and lying about for years to come.

It illustrates how desperate they are, and their lack of courage to allow the voters to decide during the General Election.

They know that if Hillary comes out of this unscathed, as it looks like she will, there is NO ONE in the GOP clown car that can even get within 10 points of her. They will fan the flames and propagate lies, hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Truly. These are the people who think Donald Trump is a viable presidential candidate. They have no discernable rational thought at all.

Coming from someone who probably voted twice for Barack "I don't have a clue what I'm doing" Obama...that's rather amusing, Esmeralda! Just saying...

What a stupid thing for you to say. Just childish and stupid.

For one thing, for anyone on the entire planet to think there is a comparison between Obama and Trump is crazy. Not even one of the weak and rather pathetic line up of current GOP candidates is anywhere near someone I would compare Trump to. Trump is a nut case. He is not a viable candidate for the the White House. He is not a viable person or individual to lead the free world, to lead the strongest nation on the planet. You people who support him have lost your minds.

For the second thing, I'm not and never was a cheer leader for Obama: I wanted Mrs. Clinton, not Obama. At the same time, he has been viciously and without precedence or with any reason, been accused of being a horrible president, when the facts are that he has been quite adequate, to the point he is rated at 18 by presidential historians (while, BTW, GW Bush is rated nearly last).

So, people like you seem to live in some wierd, perverted la la land that not only ignores reality but makes up a skewed one to fit your perverse wishful image of reality should be. God help us if someone like Trump actually makes it to the White House: we would be at war literally and figuratively with most of the world within months. He is completely without the skills, intellect, knowledge and understanding to be the US President. The fact people like you in the GOP don't realize that is absolutely shocking and a sad, sad insight into contemporary America.

My hope is the lunatics on the far right who support Trump get their way and he is nominated. Then, it wouldn't matter WHO Dems pick, the GOP will go down in flames.

 

[browsing deer]

It illustrates how desperate they are, and their lack of courage to allow the voters to decide during the General Election.

They know that if Hillary comes out of this unscathed, as it looks like she will, there is NO ONE in the GOP clown car that can even get within 10 points of her. They will fan the flames and propagate lies, hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Truly. These are the people who think Donald Trump is a viable presidential candidate. They have no discernable rational thought at all.

Coming from someone who probably voted twice for Barack "I don't have a clue what I'm doing" Obama...that's rather amusing, Esmeralda! Just saying...

What a stupid thing for you to say. Just childish and stupid.

For one thing, for anyone on the entire planet to think there is a comparison between Obama and Trump is crazy. Not even one of the weak and rather pathetic line up of current GOP candidates is anywhere near someone I would compare Trump to. Trump is a nut case. He is not a viable candidate for the the White House. He is not a viable person or individual to lead the free world, to lead the strongest nation on the planet. You people who support him have lost your minds.

For the second thing, I'm not and never was a cheer leader for Obama: I wanted Mrs. Clinton, not Obama. At the same time, he has been viciously and without precedence or with any reason, been accused of being a horrible president, when the facts are that he has been quite adequate, to the point he is rated at 18 by presidential historians (while, BTW, GW Bush is rated nearly last).

So, people like you seem to live in some wierd, perverted la la land that not only ignores reality but makes up a skewed one to fit your perverse wishful image of reality should be. God help us if someone like Trump actually makes it to the White House: we would be at war literally and figuratively with most of the world within months. He is completely without the skills, intellect, knowledge and understanding to be the US President. The fact people like you in the GOP don't realize that is absolutely shocking and a sad, sad insight into contemporary America.

My hope is the lunatics on the far right who support Trump get their way and he is nominated. Then, it wouldn't matter WHO Dems pick, the GOP will go down in flames.

The party will be torn in two and there will be two Republican nominees. Well, One republican, one stooge and Bernie

 

[HUGGY]

So did Hillary...how did that work out for her, Huggy?

She's still running isn't she? She is not being charged with any crimes is she?

This is just the continuation of the RWer disinformation campaign. I see it as an extension of the GOP promise to ruin Obama's presidency.

Bush started two wars. Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack on U S soil. Cheney made a fortune on Bush's wars. Rove and Cheney outed a CIA operative as payback for that operative doing her job.

The administration previous to Obama was in charge as the world economies went down in flames. ALL of the financial downfall can be traced directly to the banks in America.

And NOW you fools are wetting your pants about how a small terror attack was characterized in the press?

You are playing with your pee pee's in anticipation of some titillating news from Hillary's e-mails.

Sorry I unlike you have not lost my mind nor perspective on what constitutes dereliction of duty. That would be defined as what Bush did and did not do. That would be defined as what Rice, Cheney, Rove and Bush did and did not do.

You people are not even blessed with an imagination. What you get in a tizzy about is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that you are hateful people with no common sense of what is right or wrong.

I've got your number...

Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....

"Small terror attack"? Really, Huggy? Al Queda managed to attack a US consulate and kill our Ambassador. It was a serious terror attack.

Why are you even bringing up George W. Bush? He has NOTHING to do with what took place in Benghazi. This was an Obama Administration screw-up...a complete failure by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to protect our diplomatic staff...and then a full court press by the entire Obama apparatus to shift blame from themselves to some obscure YouTube video that ALSO had nothing to do with what took place in Benghazi.

That's right. A SMALL terrorist attack which the ambassador could have easily avoided had he been safe in the embassy on such an anniversary that had the whole world looking for reprisals.

The Ambassador and his puny contingent of security were obviously clearly in no position to handle an attack yet you morons want to blame Hillary.

You don't want the truth. You people NEVER want the truth. You are hideous hateful liars.

You will never win the Benghazi argument because you made it up out of whole cloth. You will never win the e-mail argument because NOTHING illegal occurred. There is no IS. There is no fire..just smoke you aholes are constantly attempting to blow up Americans asses.

So the fact that Hillary Clinton drew down the number of security personnel in Libya despite repeated requests from Christopher Stevens to maintain the same level absolves Clinton from blame for the subsequent deaths of Stevens and the other three men? You talk about the "truth", Huggy but then you buy the lies that the Clinton State Department hid behind so that she wouldn't be held responsible for those deaths.

It was Hillary Clinton that frantically put out the narratives about YouTube videos causing a demonstration that escalated into a full on attack...it was Hillary Clinton that floated the trial balloon attempting to blame the GOP's cuts to the State Department budget for the woeful security. It was Hillary Clinton that lied to the parents of those slain men. It was Hillary Clinton that hid documents and communications from Congressional investigators and then asked "What difference does it make!" when Congress attempted over and over again to get to the bottom of what happened in Libya.

Chris Stevens was in no position to dictate personnel levels for the state department. Congress set spending levels not in field ambassadors.

 

[Oldstyle]

So did Hillary...how did that work out for her, Huggy?

She's still running isn't she? She is not being charged with any crimes is she?

This is just the continuation of the RWer disinformation campaign. I see it as an extension of the GOP promise to ruin Obama's presidency.

Bush started two wars. Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack on U S soil. Cheney made a fortune on Bush's wars. Rove and Cheney outed a CIA operative as payback for that operative doing her job.

The administration previous to Obama was in charge as the world economies went down in flames. ALL of the financial downfall can be traced directly to the banks in America.

And NOW you fools are wetting your pants about how a small terror attack was characterized in the press?

You are playing with your pee pee's in anticipation of some titillating news from Hillary's e-mails.

Sorry I unlike you have not lost my mind nor perspective on what constitutes dereliction of duty. That would be defined as what Bush did and did not do. That would be defined as what Rice, Cheney, Rove and Bush did and did not do.

You people are not even blessed with an imagination. What you get in a tizzy about is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that you are hateful people with no common sense of what is right or wrong.

I've got your number...

Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....

"Small terror attack"? Really, Huggy? Al Queda managed to attack a US consulate and kill our Ambassador. It was a serious terror attack.

Why are you even bringing up George W. Bush? He has NOTHING to do with what took place in Benghazi. This was an Obama Administration screw-up...a complete failure by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to protect our diplomatic staff...and then a full court press by the entire Obama apparatus to shift blame from themselves to some obscure YouTube video that ALSO had nothing to do with what took place in Benghazi.

That's right. A SMALL terrorist attack which the ambassador could have easily avoided had he been safe in the embassy on such an anniversary that had the whole world looking for reprisals.

The Ambassador and his puny contingent of security were obviously clearly in no position to handle an attack yet you morons want to blame Hillary.

You don't want the truth. You people NEVER want the truth. You are hideous hateful liars.

You will never win the Benghazi argument because you made it up out of whole cloth. You will never win the e-mail argument because NOTHING illegal occurred. There is no IS. There is no fire..just smoke you aholes are constantly attempting to blow up Americans asses.

So the fact that Hillary Clinton drew down the number of security personnel in Libya despite repeated requests from Christopher Stevens to maintain the same level absolves Clinton from blame for the subsequent deaths of Stevens and the other three men? You talk about the "truth", Huggy but then you buy the lies that the Clinton State Department hid behind so that she wouldn't be held responsible for those deaths.

It was Hillary Clinton that frantically put out the narratives about YouTube videos causing a demonstration that escalated into a full on attack...it was Hillary Clinton that floated the trial balloon attempting to blame the GOP's cuts to the State Department budget for the woeful security. It was Hillary Clinton that lied to the parents of those slain men. It was Hillary Clinton that hid documents and communications from Congressional investigators and then asked "What difference does it make!" when Congress attempted over and over again to get to the bottom of what happened in Libya.

Chris Stevens was in no position to dictate personnel levels for the state department. Congress set spending levels not in field ambassadors.

That's laughably inaccurate, Huggy! The State Department made a request for a certain number. As with ALL government entities they asked for more than they really need because that's the way the game is played. You ask for a million...they approve you for nine hundred thousand. That's the way it works whether Congress is run by the GOP or the Democrats and I can very easily show you that the State Department's budget request when the Democrats controlled the Congress was NEVER granted in full either!

You see that lower amount as a "cut" when in reality it's almost ALWAYS an increase to an agency's budget...just not as big of an increase as they asked for. If you were to ask an agency head off the record if he or she ever expected to get fully funded for the amount they asked for they'd laugh their heads off and admit that they'd be SHOCKED if they had received what they asked for!

As for Chris Stevens being in a position to "dictate" personnel levels? Obviously he was not in that position because if he WAS then his requests that his security detail not be decreased would have been approved. The person that WAS in a position to "dictate" personnel levels is the Secretary of State...a certain Hillary Rodham Clinton! She's the one who decides where State Department funds get spent. She's the one who decided that they wouldn't be spent in Libya because she was the one who decided that the "optics" of having a heavily armed "bunker" of a consulate didn't match the narrative that the Obama White House was putting out that they had Al Queda "on the run".

 

[JimH52]

She's still running isn't she? She is not being charged with any crimes is she?

This is just the continuation of the RWer disinformation campaign. I see it as an extension of the GOP promise to ruin Obama's presidency.

Bush started two wars. Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack on U S soil. Cheney made a fortune on Bush's wars. Rove and Cheney outed a CIA operative as payback for that operative doing her job.

The administration previous to Obama was in charge as the world economies went down in flames. ALL of the financial downfall can be traced directly to the banks in America.

And NOW you fools are wetting your pants about how a small terror attack was characterized in the press?

You are playing with your pee pee's in anticipation of some titillating news from Hillary's e-mails.

Sorry I unlike you have not lost my mind nor perspective on what constitutes dereliction of duty. That would be defined as what Bush did and did not do. That would be defined as what Rice, Cheney, Rove and Bush did and did not do.

You people are not even blessed with an imagination. What you get in a tizzy about is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that you are hateful people with no common sense of what is right or wrong.

I've got your number...

Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....Bush never happened....Bush never happened....bush never happened....

"Small terror attack"? Really, Huggy? Al Queda managed to attack a US consulate and kill our Ambassador. It was a serious terror attack.

Why are you even bringing up George W. Bush? He has NOTHING to do with what took place in Benghazi. This was an Obama Administration screw-up...a complete failure by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to protect our diplomatic staff...and then a full court press by the entire Obama apparatus to shift blame from themselves to some obscure YouTube video that ALSO had nothing to do with what took place in Benghazi.

That's right. A SMALL terrorist attack which the ambassador could have easily avoided had he been safe in the embassy on such an anniversary that had the whole world looking for reprisals.

The Ambassador and his puny contingent of security were obviously clearly in no position to handle an attack yet you morons want to blame Hillary.

You don't want the truth. You people NEVER want the truth. You are hideous hateful liars.

You will never win the Benghazi argument because you made it up out of whole cloth. You will never win the e-mail argument because NOTHING illegal occurred. There is no IS. There is no fire..just smoke you aholes are constantly attempting to blow up Americans asses.

So the fact that Hillary Clinton drew down the number of security personnel in Libya despite repeated requests from Christopher Stevens to maintain the same level absolves Clinton from blame for the subsequent deaths of Stevens and the other three men? You talk about the "truth", Huggy but then you buy the lies that the Clinton State Department hid behind so that she wouldn't be held responsible for those deaths.

It was Hillary Clinton that frantically put out the narratives about YouTube videos causing a demonstration that escalated into a full on attack...it was Hillary Clinton that floated the trial balloon attempting to blame the GOP's cuts to the State Department budget for the woeful security. It was Hillary Clinton that lied to the parents of those slain men. It was Hillary Clinton that hid documents and communications from Congressional investigators and then asked "What difference does it make!" when Congress attempted over and over again to get to the bottom of what happened in Libya.

Chris Stevens was in no position to dictate personnel levels for the state department. Congress set spending levels not in field ambassadors.

That's laughably inaccurate, Huggy! The State Department made a request for a certain number. As with ALL government entities they asked for more than they really need because that's the way the game is played. You ask for a million...they approve you for nine hundred thousand. That's the way it works whether Congress is run by the GOP or the Democrats and I can very easily show you that the State Department's budget request when the Democrats controlled the Congress was NEVER granted in full either!

You see that lower amount as a "cut" when in reality it's almost ALWAYS an increase to an agency's budget...just not as big of an increase as they asked for. If you were to ask an agency head off the record if he or she ever expected to get fully funded for the amount they asked for they'd laugh their heads off and admit that they'd be SHOCKED if they had received what they asked for!

As for Chris Stevens being in a position to "dictate" personnel levels? Obviously he was not in that position because if he WAS then his requests that his security detail not be decreased would have been approved. The person that WAS in a position to "dictate" personnel levels is the Secretary of State...a certain Hillary Rodham Clinton! She's the one who decides where State Department funds get spent. She's the one who decided that they wouldn't be spent in Libya because she was the one who decided that the "optics" of having a heavily armed "bunker" of a consulate didn't match the narrative that the Obama White House was putting out that they had Al Queda "on the run".

So Benghazi and e-mails are your best chance of winning the white house house in 2016.....sad. With the Trump factor, you are screwed. But please don't lose hope.....

 

[Oldstyle]

RWs have no use for facts or truth so, they'll keep flogging this and lying about for years to come.

It illustrates how desperate they are, and their lack of courage to allow the voters to decide during the General Election.

They know that if Hillary comes out of this unscathed, as it looks like she will, there is NO ONE in the GOP clown car that can even get within 10 points of her. They will fan the flames and propagate lies, hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Truly. These are the people who think Donald Trump is a viable presidential candidate. They have no discernable rational thought at all.

Coming from someone who probably voted twice for Barack "I don't have a clue what I'm doing" Obama...that's rather amusing, Esmeralda! Just saying...

What a stupid thing for you to say. Just childish and stupid.

For one thing, for anyone on the entire planet to think there is a comparison between Obama and Trump is crazy. Not even one of the weak and rather pathetic line up of current GOP candidates is anywhere near someone I would compare Trump to. Trump is a nut case. He is not a viable candidate for the the White House. He is not a viable person or individual to lead the free world, to lead the strongest nation on the planet. You people who support him have lost your minds.

For the second thing, I'm not and never was a cheer leader for Obama: I wanted Mrs. Clinton, not Obama. At the same time, he has been viciously and without precedence or with any reason, been accused of being a horrible president, when the facts are that he has been quite adequate, to the point he is rated at 18 by presidential historians (while, BTW, GW Bush is rated nearly last).

So, people like you seem to live in some wierd, perverted la la land that not only ignores reality but makes up a skewed one to fit your perverse wishful image of what reality should be. God help us if someone like Trump actually makes it to the White House: we would be at war literally and figuratively with most of the world within months. He is completely without the skills, intellect, knowledge and understanding to be the US President. The fact people like you in the GOP don't realize that is absolutely shocking and a sad, sad insight into contemporary America.

What's amusing is that you think Barry Obama has the "skills, intellect, knowledge and understanding" to be POTUS but that Donald Trump has none of those things!

What exactly has Obama done in his life besides be fortunate enough to be "Johnny on the spot" when Harvard needed to send a signal that they were not a racist institution and decided that the easiest way to do that would be to name a black man as the first President of the Harvard Law Review?

If you REALLY look at the man's accomplishments before and since then...he's been (to use your own description!) nothing more than "adequate" at every thing he's done in life. He was a mediocre lawyer. He was a run of the mill college instructor. He was an abysmal legislator.

Now compare that to Trump. You may not like the man. I don't particularly like him myself but only a fool would say that he doesn't have skill, intellect, knowledge and understanding! He has all of those in spades.