Is God competent or incompetent?

[harmonica]

Why did He make us so puny and physically limited as compared to His other creations?

why did he make us to murder/rape/rob/destroy--sometimes our own children-family/etc??

I know I know--don't tell me
the catch all answer--it's god's plan

 

[GreatestIam]

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Should we ask God?

Why any perceived need for Rebellion by any Angel.

Perhaps to teach us not to tolerate tyranny, which is what the Christian heaven is.

Christians are always advocating for freedom of religion, while at the same time hoping to get to where freedom of religion nor thought is allowed in their heaven.

How they live with that conflict in their thinking I do not know.

It is like them voting for democracy while preaching communism.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did He make us so puny and physically limited as compared to His other creations?

Perhaps to give us bigger brains so that the religious con men could find the suckers more easily.

That was the way in the beginning.



Regards
DL

 

[Spare_change]

Funny how the non-believers have to continually prop each other up ----- it's almost like they're scared shitless they just might be wrong, and are looking for affirmation.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Funny how the non-believers have to continually prop each other up

You can't drive a mile in this country without passing a church.... you know, where you believers go to prop each other up. You really should think these things through before posting.

 

[ding]

If you are to be this useless, go away.
You are on ignore.

Regards
DL

i have followed your posts with great interest - and even more humor.

You have somehow tried to claim you are a "gnostic Christian" - but have failed to post a single word - not one little word - that indicates that you have even the remotest familiarity with gnostic Christianity. Yet, you seem to want to brandish it as some kind of shield against intelligent criticism.

So - i will ask you directly - what do you think gnostic Christianity is, and how do you purportedly practice it?

Gnostic Christianity is a knowledge/wisdom seeking religion based on Gnosis similar to Buddhism and Karaite Jewry.

The Christian part of that label comes from our view of some of Jesus' teachings that found it's way into the bible as well as our desire to view Yahweh in a different way than Christians. We see him as a genocidal son murdering prick while Christians adore him in spite of his many murders of the innocent in scriptures.

Here is an old O.P. that shows a bit of our beliefs and how we use one of the Jesus archetypes that is to be found in the bible.

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Jesus is the way and that way is the Gnostic Christian way. Not Christianity’s way.

Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18)

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Luke and Mark quotes are referring to the following.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

For an extended view of that from my favorite philosopher. ----



You will note that the bible teaches Jesus’ way and Gnostic Christianity follows that good way, yet the church never teaches Jesus’ true way.

Why is Christianity ignoring and even hiding the only worthy Jesus and the teachings of his way?

Regards
DL

Wikipedia quotes???? That's the extent of your knowledge? That's it?

You ought to be ashamed.

it's interesting to note that you cite all the ways that gnostic Christians are like all others ... but fail to define the differences (the much harder task). Step up ---- you claimed you are one, now prove it. And, please lose the Google quotes. If you can't define it, you ain't it.

He's a total fake. His only purpose here is to bash Christians and Christianity.

He's a socialist troll. It's what they do.

 

[ding]

"The fact that there is a HIGHWAY TO HELL and only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic flow"

Your signature is freakish and morally backwards. How nauseating and nihilistic that you are resigned to most humans suffering for eternity. You should feel ashamed of yourself for such a shallow, vile thought..

You think you deserve better?

 

[ding]

Funny how the non-believers have to continually prop each other up

You can't drive a mile in this country without passing a church.... you know, where you believers go to prop each other up. You really should think these things through before posting.

It is actually better than that.

It's been that way since the beginning of man.

You are the exception. We are the rule.

 

[ding]

I would say "incompetent" because He inspired a book, the Bible, that nobody thinks is true, i.e., that the 6 days aren't actual human days, that the flood never happened...

Every culture has an account of a great flood.

 

[ding]

his most ''important'' creation is extremely flawed

I agree in the sense that way too many of us have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance by believing in a lot of supernatural garbage.

Otherwise, we are quite good. Not that God had a hand in creating us.

Regards
DL

humans have been raping/warring/murdering/robbing/etc since the beginning of time

2000 years AFTER the GREAT-GOD jesus came, we had the greatest:
raping
warring
murder
robbing
DESTRUCTION
etc
which of course was WW2.......the world hasn't changed since jesus ''came''--in fact it got worse

Yeah, it almost seems like the world has been under a curse.

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations"

Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.

Inquisitions and Jihads, as promoted by religions that say they respect Jesus are doing what Jesus would want them to do.

Yet Christians adore that prick of a Jesus. Not that he exists.

Regards
DL

All knees will eventually bend. All. Every single one.

 

[Taz]

I would say "incompetent" because He inspired a book, the Bible, that nobody thinks is true, i.e., that the 6 days aren't actual human days, that the flood never happened...

Every culture has an account of a great flood.

The bible's worldwide flood never happened. Noah never got 2 of every animal on his raft...

 

[Bonzi]

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
- If God created other Gods just like him, it would be chaos. I concede God can't so "anything" (He can't sin), therefore, perhaps he can not create "Himself", which means that anything less is fallible.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
- No. Eden didn't produce it. The "Tree" was a test. Adam and Eve flunked.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
- This is like saying if our children are not perfect, we failed as parents. Maybe YOU think God is wrong for not creating beings capable of "sin", but, since you can't understand the mind of God, your theory's are useless. You can't disproved God. You are better off just not believing and moving on.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
- Jesus is God to true Christians, so, he DID send himself. Because you can not understand the Trinity does not make it not so.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail
- God created Hell for Satan only. Those that follow Satan join him.

The fact that you are so consumed with this makes me think you are actually search for a reason to believe.
I honestly think you WANT someone to prove you wrong.

God may oblige you.

 

[Taz]

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
- If God created other Gods just like him, it would be chaos. I concede God can't so "anything" (He can't sin), therefore, perhaps he can not create "Himself", which means that anything less is fallible.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
- No. Eden didn't produce it. The "Tree" was a test. Adam and Eve flunked.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
- This is like saying if our children are not perfect, we failed as parents. Maybe YOU think God is wrong for not creating beings capable of "sin", but, since you can't understand the mind of God, your theory's are useless. You can't disproved God. You are better off just not believing and moving on.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
- Jesus is God to true Christians, so, he DID send himself. Because you can not understand the Trinity does not make it not so.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail
- God created Hell for Satan only. Those that follow Satan join him.

The fact that you are so consumed with this makes me think you are actually search for a reason to believe.
I honestly think you WANT someone to prove you wrong.

God may oblige you.

God needs a better book.

 

[Bonzi]

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
- If God created other Gods just like him, it would be chaos. I concede God can't so "anything" (He can't sin), therefore, perhaps he can not create "Himself", which means that anything less is fallible.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
- No. Eden didn't produce it. The "Tree" was a test. Adam and Eve flunked.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
- This is like saying if our children are not perfect, we failed as parents. Maybe YOU think God is wrong for not creating beings capable of "sin", but, since you can't understand the mind of God, your theory's are useless. You can't disproved God. You are better off just not believing and moving on.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
- Jesus is God to true Christians, so, he DID send himself. Because you can not understand the Trinity does not make it not so.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail
- God created Hell for Satan only. Those that follow Satan join him.

The fact that you are so consumed with this makes me think you are actually search for a reason to believe.
I honestly think you WANT someone to prove you wrong.

God may oblige you.

God needs a better book.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not ...
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

.

 

[Taz]

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
- If God created other Gods just like him, it would be chaos. I concede God can't so "anything" (He can't sin), therefore, perhaps he can not create "Himself", which means that anything less is fallible.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
- No. Eden didn't produce it. The "Tree" was a test. Adam and Eve flunked.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
- This is like saying if our children are not perfect, we failed as parents. Maybe YOU think God is wrong for not creating beings capable of "sin", but, since you can't understand the mind of God, your theory's are useless. You can't disproved God. You are better off just not believing and moving on.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
- Jesus is God to true Christians, so, he DID send himself. Because you can not understand the Trinity does not make it not so.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail
- God created Hell for Satan only. Those that follow Satan join him.

The fact that you are so consumed with this makes me think you are actually search for a reason to believe.
I honestly think you WANT someone to prove you wrong.

God may oblige you.

God needs a better book.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not ...
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

.

WOW! What a SHOCK!!!!

So how did Noah get kangaroos from Australia and back again?

 

[ding]

I would say "incompetent" because He inspired a book, the Bible, that nobody thinks is true, i.e., that the 6 days aren't actual human days, that the flood never happened...

Every culture has an account of a great flood.

The bible's worldwide flood never happened. Noah never got 2 of every animal on his raft...

I'm pretty sure that there was a great flood. Every culture has recorded an account of one. A world wide flood? It was to them. They didn't know how big the world was.

 

[ding]

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
- If God created other Gods just like him, it would be chaos. I concede God can't so "anything" (He can't sin), therefore, perhaps he can not create "Himself", which means that anything less is fallible.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
- No. Eden didn't produce it. The "Tree" was a test. Adam and Eve flunked.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
- This is like saying if our children are not perfect, we failed as parents. Maybe YOU think God is wrong for not creating beings capable of "sin", but, since you can't understand the mind of God, your theory's are useless. You can't disproved God. You are better off just not believing and moving on.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
- Jesus is God to true Christians, so, he DID send himself. Because you can not understand the Trinity does not make it not so.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail
- God created Hell for Satan only. Those that follow Satan join him.

The fact that you are so consumed with this makes me think you are actually search for a reason to believe.
I honestly think you WANT someone to prove you wrong.

God may oblige you.

God needs a better book.

Maybe he just needs you as his advisor, amirite?

 

[Taz]

I would say "incompetent" because He inspired a book, the Bible, that nobody thinks is true, i.e., that the 6 days aren't actual human days, that the flood never happened...

Every culture has an account of a great flood.

The bible's worldwide flood never happened. Noah never got 2 of every animal on his raft...

I'm pretty sure that there was a great flood. Every culture has recorded an account of one. A world wide flood? It was to them. They didn't know how big the world was.

So no worldwide flood, then the bible is wrong. Thanks.

 

[Taz]

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
- If God created other Gods just like him, it would be chaos. I concede God can't so "anything" (He can't sin), therefore, perhaps he can not create "Himself", which means that anything less is fallible.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
- No. Eden didn't produce it. The "Tree" was a test. Adam and Eve flunked.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
- This is like saying if our children are not perfect, we failed as parents. Maybe YOU think God is wrong for not creating beings capable of "sin", but, since you can't understand the mind of God, your theory's are useless. You can't disproved God. You are better off just not believing and moving on.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
- Jesus is God to true Christians, so, he DID send himself. Because you can not understand the Trinity does not make it not so.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail
- God created Hell for Satan only. Those that follow Satan join him.

The fact that you are so consumed with this makes me think you are actually search for a reason to believe.
I honestly think you WANT someone to prove you wrong.

God may oblige you.

God needs a better book.

Maybe he just needs you as his advisor, amirite?

my first advice:show yourself and stop being such a weenie.

 

[GreatestIam]

Funny how the non-believers have to continually prop each other up ----- it's almost like they're scared shitless they just might be wrong, and are looking for affirmation.

Funny how you a pot, are calling the kettle black, while sitting comfortably in your tribe of mentally and morally dissonant buddies who adore a genocidal son murdering God that is somehow good to you.

Regards
DL