Is God competent or incompetent?

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Does Judaism Believe in Satan?

The Hebrew word "Satan" means "Hinderer." To hinder someone means to hold him back, to try to prevent him from doing something. G-d created the Hinderer to give us work to do in this world (see my article Why did G-d Create the World?). Satan is here to make things difficult for us, so we can overcome our evil temptations, and PASS the test. That is the purpose of Satan. Satan is an angel whose purpose has been determined by G-d.

Temptation is there to try and deter us. It gives us the ability to do the wrong thing. More importantly, it gives us the ability to look at evil and refuse to do it. By presenting us with the opportunity to do evil, it gives us the ability to choose between good and evil.

The ability to choose between good and evil is what gives us free will. (See my article On the Nature of Free Will.

So, in order for us to work for the good that Hashem wants to give us, the good of the World to Come, we need something to deter us. That is the ability to do evil. Satan is our Evil Inclination (Yetzer Hara). The Evil Inclination tries to prevent us from doing good, because Hashem has commanded the Evil Inclination to do that. Why? To give us free will.

Each of us every day fights with Satan. We all have temptations, throughout the day. But we, as the Children of Israel, have the power to overcome even angels, if we work at it. Therefore, the Talmud says that men are greater than angels, for we can fight with an angel (Satan) and win.
 
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Then I have won.

I will never put you on ignore. I think you are a subversive who posts the same crap on multiple boards whose sole purpose is to subordinate Christianity.
 
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If you are to be this useless, go away.
You are on ignore.

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i have followed your posts with great interest - and even more humor.

You have somehow tried to claim you are a "gnostic Christian" - but have failed to post a single word - not one little word - that indicates that you have even the remotest familiarity with gnostic Christianity. Yet, you seem to want to brandish it as some kind of shield against intelligent criticism.

So - i will ask you directly - what do you think gnostic Christianity is, and how do you purportedly practice it?
 
If you are to be this useless, go away.
You are on ignore.

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i have followed your posts with great interest - and even more humor.

You have somehow tried to claim you are a "gnostic Christian" - but have failed to post a single word - not one little word - that indicates that you have even the remotest familiarity with gnostic Christianity. Yet, you seem to want to brandish it as some kind of shield against intelligent criticism.

So - i will ask you directly - what do you think gnostic Christianity is, and how do you purportedly practice it?

Gnostic Christianity is a knowledge/wisdom seeking religion based on Gnosis similar to Buddhism and Karaite Jewry.

The Christian part of that label comes from our view of some of Jesus' teachings that found it's way into the bible as well as our desire to view Yahweh in a different way than Christians. We see him as a genocidal son murdering prick while Christians adore him in spite of his many murders of the innocent in scriptures.

Here is an old O.P. that shows a bit of our beliefs and how we use one of the Jesus archetypes that is to be found in the bible.

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Jesus is the way and that way is the Gnostic Christian way. Not Christianity’s way.

Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18)

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Luke and Mark quotes are referring to the following.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

For an extended view of that from my favorite philosopher. ----



You will note that the bible teaches Jesus’ way and Gnostic Christianity follows that good way, yet the church never teaches Jesus’ true way.

Why is Christianity ignoring and even hiding the only worthy Jesus and the teachings of his way?

Regards
DL
 
If you are to be this useless, go away.
You are on ignore.

Regards
DL
i have followed your posts with great interest - and even more humor.

You have somehow tried to claim you are a "gnostic Christian" - but have failed to post a single word - not one little word - that indicates that you have even the remotest familiarity with gnostic Christianity. Yet, you seem to want to brandish it as some kind of shield against intelligent criticism.

So - i will ask you directly - what do you think gnostic Christianity is, and how do you purportedly practice it?

Gnostic Christianity is a knowledge/wisdom seeking religion based on Gnosis similar to Buddhism and Karaite Jewry.

The Christian part of that label comes from our view of some of Jesus' teachings that found it's way into the bible as well as our desire to view Yahweh in a different way than Christians. We see him as a genocidal son murdering prick while Christians adore him in spite of his many murders of the innocent in scriptures.

Here is an old O.P. that shows a bit of our beliefs and how we use one of the Jesus archetypes that is to be found in the bible.

--------------

Jesus is the way and that way is the Gnostic Christian way. Not Christianity’s way.

Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18)

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Luke and Mark quotes are referring to the following.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

For an extended view of that from my favorite philosopher. ----



You will note that the bible teaches Jesus’ way and Gnostic Christianity follows that good way, yet the church never teaches Jesus’ true way.

Why is Christianity ignoring and even hiding the only worthy Jesus and the teachings of his way?

Regards
DL

Wikipedia quotes???? That's the extent of your knowledge? That's it?

You ought to be ashamed.

it's interesting to note that you cite all the ways that gnostic Christians are like all others ... but fail to define the differences (the much harder task). Step up ---- you claimed you are one, now prove it. And, please lose the Google quotes. If you can't define it, you ain't it.
 
"The fact that there is a HIGHWAY TO HELL and only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic flow"

Your signature is freakish and morally backwards. How nauseating and nihilistic that you are resigned to most humans suffering for eternity. You should feel ashamed of yourself for such a shallow, vile thought..
 
I would say "incompetent" because He inspired a book, the Bible, that nobody thinks is true, i.e., that the 6 days aren't actual human days, that the flood never happened...
 
"The fact that there is a HIGHWAY TO HELL and only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic flow"

Your signature is freakish and morally backwards. How nauseating and nihilistic that you are resigned to most humans suffering for eternity. You should feel ashamed of yourself for such a shallow, vile thought..

I'll enjoy waving as you march down the HIGHWAY. I'll be standing right by the stairway.

Facts is facts ...
 
If you are to be this useless, go away.
You are on ignore.

Regards
DL
i have followed your posts with great interest - and even more humor.

You have somehow tried to claim you are a "gnostic Christian" - but have failed to post a single word - not one little word - that indicates that you have even the remotest familiarity with gnostic Christianity. Yet, you seem to want to brandish it as some kind of shield against intelligent criticism.

So - i will ask you directly - what do you think gnostic Christianity is, and how do you purportedly practice it?

Gnostic Christianity is a knowledge/wisdom seeking religion based on Gnosis similar to Buddhism and Karaite Jewry.

The Christian part of that label comes from our view of some of Jesus' teachings that found it's way into the bible as well as our desire to view Yahweh in a different way than Christians. We see him as a genocidal son murdering prick while Christians adore him in spite of his many murders of the innocent in scriptures.

Here is an old O.P. that shows a bit of our beliefs and how we use one of the Jesus archetypes that is to be found in the bible.

--------------

Jesus is the way and that way is the Gnostic Christian way. Not Christianity’s way.

Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18)

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Luke and Mark quotes are referring to the following.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

For an extended view of that from my favorite philosopher. ----



You will note that the bible teaches Jesus’ way and Gnostic Christianity follows that good way, yet the church never teaches Jesus’ true way.

Why is Christianity ignoring and even hiding the only worthy Jesus and the teachings of his way?

Regards
DL

Wikipedia quotes???? That's the extent of your knowledge? That's it?

You ought to be ashamed.

it's interesting to note that you cite all the ways that gnostic Christians are like all others ... but fail to define the differences (the much harder task). Step up ---- you claimed you are one, now prove it. And, please lose the Google quotes. If you can't define it, you ain't it.


Those were quotes from the bible.

Strange that you did not recognize them as they are clearly designated by chapter and verse.

Gnostic Christianity begins with seeking God, as defined as the best rules and laws to live life by, and not being an idol worshiper of a genocidal son murdering prick like Yahweh.

Did you wish to question me on Gnostic Christianity?

If so, be civil and you will be rewarded.

Regards
DL
 
"The fact that there is a HIGHWAY TO HELL and only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic flow"

Your signature is freakish and morally backwards. How nauseating and nihilistic that you are resigned to most humans suffering for eternity. You should feel ashamed of yourself for such a shallow, vile thought..

God does not follow natural law and is quite the incompetent creator.

Nature creates for the best possible end for all it creates and most organisms reach that best possible end.

God only has a few that get the best possible end. Best end only to those who do not mind that almost all their friends and family get to be tortured without purpose forever.

Only a really sick mind would want that and would adore a God who tortures without purpose.

Regards
DL
 
I would say "incompetent" because He inspired a book, the Bible, that nobody thinks is true, i.e., that the 6 days aren't actual human days, that the flood never happened...

I agree with you.

Unfortunately though, the brain dead think the bible holds truth.

The truth is that it shows a genocidal son murdering prick of a God, yet those same brain and morally dead people still adore that prick.

Satan loves them. Not that she is real.

Regards
DL
 
his most ''important'' creation is extremely flawed

I agree in the sense that way too many of us have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance by believing in a lot of supernatural garbage.

Otherwise, we are quite good. Not that God had a hand in creating us.

Regards
DL
 
his most ''important'' creation is extremely flawed

I agree in the sense that way too many of us have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance by believing in a lot of supernatural garbage.

Otherwise, we are quite good. Not that God had a hand in creating us.

Regards
DL
humans have been raping/warring/murdering/robbing/etc since the beginning of time

2000 years AFTER the GREAT-GOD jesus came, we had the greatest:
raping
warring
murder
robbing
DESTRUCTION
etc
which of course was WW2.......the world hasn't changed since jesus ''came''--in fact it got worse
 
his most ''important'' creation is extremely flawed

I agree in the sense that way too many of us have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance by believing in a lot of supernatural garbage.

Otherwise, we are quite good. Not that God had a hand in creating us.

Regards
DL
humans have been raping/warring/murdering/robbing/etc since the beginning of time

2000 years AFTER the GREAT-GOD jesus came, we had the greatest:
raping
warring
murder
robbing
DESTRUCTION
etc
which of course was WW2.......the world hasn't changed since jesus ''came''--in fact it got worse


Yeah, it almost seems like the world has been under a curse.

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations"
 
his most ''important'' creation is extremely flawed

I agree in the sense that way too many of us have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance by believing in a lot of supernatural garbage.

Otherwise, we are quite good. Not that God had a hand in creating us.

Regards
DL
humans have been raping/warring/murdering/robbing/etc since the beginning of time

2000 years AFTER the GREAT-GOD jesus came, we had the greatest:
raping
warring
murder
robbing
DESTRUCTION
etc
which of course was WW2.......the world hasn't changed since jesus ''came''--in fact it got worse

I do not know about worse, but Jesus and his imaginary coming did not put much of a dent, if any, in the 5,000 years of war we have enjoyed thanks to religionists, who have always been the majority.



Regards
DL
 
his most ''important'' creation is extremely flawed

I agree in the sense that way too many of us have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance by believing in a lot of supernatural garbage.

Otherwise, we are quite good. Not that God had a hand in creating us.

Regards
DL
humans have been raping/warring/murdering/robbing/etc since the beginning of time

2000 years AFTER the GREAT-GOD jesus came, we had the greatest:
raping
warring
murder
robbing
DESTRUCTION
etc
which of course was WW2.......the world hasn't changed since jesus ''came''--in fact it got worse


Yeah, it almost seems like the world has been under a curse.

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations"

Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.

Inquisitions and Jihads, as promoted by religions that say they respect Jesus are doing what Jesus would want them to do.

Yet Christians adore that prick of a Jesus. Not that he exists.

Regards
DL
 
Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL
Should we ask God?

Why any perceived need for Rebellion by any Angel.
 
If god was competent he would have had a more believable book.
 

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