Indiana is for Bigots - video and Pence running for cover

[bripat9643]

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

we have to understand Islam since it is the biggest source of enemies of the USA. not all Islamists are enemies but most of our enemies are Islamists.

what we need to understand is how to wipe out those that seek to harm us quickly and efficiently

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had won all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis today. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

How many Mexicans still worship Huitzilopochtli? Answer: none. Why? because the Spaniards killed them all and burned all their books.

 

[TemplarKormac]

When your religious beliefs impacts my ability to do business, it is my business.

Newsflash:

When your lifestyle or choices/genetic predisposition impacts my ability to do business, it's my business, too.

If it turns your stomach, I question your claim not to dislike them.

See my recent thread on my moral dilemma regarding homosexuality.

And if people of faith are being brought before a court for discriminating against gays, then that's what they deserve.

That did not answer my question.

This is the exact same argument used by racists in the south to insist on segregation. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

That's funny. Such asininity deserves but only riotous laughter. You abhor stereotypes of homosexuals, but resort to stereotyping a southerner like me as racist. How...tolerant.

Aha! Ahahaha!

Why? I am under no obligation to respect any religious belief.

You don't have to. But you don't have the right to change them.

I despise religion in general, and certain religions specifically. But I have no qualms with most of the people who hold to those faiths. Most of them are kind, decent people.

Interestingly, that opinion changes when they happen to oppose homosexuality, am I correct?

If there was a homeless gay couple on the street begging for coin, I'd give them some money, and the names of places who are hiring.

If there was a needy gay couple with children who needed clothes, I'd without hesitation give them my hand-me-downs.

If that same gay couple needed food, not only I, but my grandmother would cook them a hot meal.

If that selfsame gay couple came to our overtly racist (sarcasm) Southern Christian church for food, clothing, or any type of assistance the church is capable of providing, we would ALL take pity and do what we can for them. Our views of homosexuality are irrelevant.

You don't seem to understand. I don't have to like what they do, it is my actions toward them that count. Being a Christian has taught me that.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

we have to understand Islam since it is the biggest source of enemies of the USA. not all Islamists are enemies but most of our enemies are Islamists.

what we need to understand is how to wipe out those that seek to harm us quickly and efficiently

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

No, dumbass, ideas are only defeated by better ideas, but ideas never die, which is why we still have Nazis.

 

[eots]

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

we have to understand Islam since it is the biggest source of enemies of the USA. not all Islamists are enemies but most of our enemies are Islamists.

what we need to understand is how to wipe out those that seek to harm us quickly and efficiently

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

so most of the NAZIS were killed?..I must of missed that part of history

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The basis is Capitalism is regulated here, Now you know.

It's regulated in violation of the Constitution.

Utter B.S. The regulation of economic activity is clearly acknowledged in the Constitution.

Wow.

It's embarrassing that we have such ill informed people in our nation. Where was that person when they were supposed to be learning the constitution with the rest of US History? Yet they're the same people who wrap themselves in the flag and declare that they love our nation and what we stand for.

But then people like that only believe and follow the parts of our constitution they like, such as the second amendment.

They have no idea what the commerce clause is. I know I've posted it several times but I'll do it again. Some people need things repeated before it actually sinks in. It's one simple and very intelligent sentence in the constitution. The founders of America knew that unregulated capitalism only leads to monopolies and oligarchies.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:[3]

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes

Hey genius, it would help to have the legal interpretation of the Commerce Clause in hand before lecturing others on Constitutional law.

"The U.S. Supreme Court, in recent cases, has attempted to define limits on the Congress's power to regulate commerce among the several states. While Justice Thomas has maintained that the original meaning of "commerce" was limited to the "trade and exchange" of goods and transportation for this purpose, some have argued that he is mistaken and that "commerce" originally included any "gainful activity." Having examined every appearance of the word "commerce" in the records of the Constitutional Convention, the ratification debates, and the Federalist Papers, Professor Barnett finds no surviving example of this term being used in this broader sense. In every appearance where the context suggests a specific usage, the narrow meaning is always employed. Moreover, originalist evidence of the meaning of "among the several States" and "To regulate" also supports a narrow reading of the Commerce Clause. "Among the several States" meant between persons of one state and another; and "To regulate" generally meant "to make regular"--that is, to specify how an activity may be transacted--when applied to domestic commerce, but when applied to foreign trade also included the power to make "prohibitory regulations." In sum, according to the original meaning of the Commerce Clause, Congress has power to specify rules to govern the manner by which people may exchange or trade goods from one state to another, to remove obstructions to domestic trade erected by states, and to both regulate and restrict the flow of goods to and from other nations (and the Indian tribes) for the purpose of promoting the domestic economy and foreign trade. "

102RP6


Now please, have a seat.

It would help if you understood that the Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court, before lecturing others on the meaning of the Commerce Clause with regard to public accommodations:

'Held:

1. Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is a valid exercise of Congress' power under the Commerce Clause as applied to a place of public accommodation serving interstate travelers. Civil Right Cases,109 U.S. 3, distinguished. Pp. 249-262.

(a) The interstate movement of persons is "commerce" which concerns more than one State. Pp. 255-256.

(b) The protection of interstate commerce is within the regulatory power of Congress under the Commerce Clause whether or not the transportation of persons between States is "commercial." P. 256.

(c) Congress' action in removing the disruptive effect which it found racial discrimination has on interstate travel is not invalidated because Congress was also legislating against what it considered to be moral wrongs. P. 257.

(d) Congress had power to enact appropriate legislation with regard to a place of public accommodation such as appellant's motel even if it is assumed to be of a purely "local" character, as Congress' power over interstate commerce extends to the regulation of local incidents thereof which might have a substantial and harmful effect upon that commerce. P. 258.

(2) The prohibition in Title II of racial discrimination in public accommodations affecting commerce does not violate the Fifth [p242]Amendment as being a deprivation of property or liberty without due process of law. Pp. 258-261.

(3) Such prohibition does not violate he Thirteenth Amendment as being "involuntary servitude." P. 261.'

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The Constitution exists only in the context of case law? Bull effing shit.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

His point is bullshit. If I'm a doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Yeah, doesn't work that way, in the real world which you reject.

 

[bripat9643]

we have to understand Islam since it is the biggest source of enemies of the USA. not all Islamists are enemies but most of our enemies are Islamists.

what we need to understand is how to wipe out those that seek to harm us quickly and efficiently

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

No, dumbass, ideas are only defeated by better ideas, but ideas never die, which is why we still have Nazis.

History proves you to be wrong. Nazism is a toothless old hag near death. It will disappear just as many religions have disappeared. The Spaniards wiped the Aztec religion from the face the earth, and many others as well.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

No, THAT is not relevant to today. That is absurd.

You are utterly wrong. You cannot begin to understand Islam until you understand the world as they see it, an eternal struggle (Jihad), to convert man to the Will (Submission), of God (Allah). Those fighting for ISIS expect to die, in vast numbers, it's required for them to win. 19 out of 20 will die, but God will win in the end.

You don't know your enemy therefore, you cannot win. And while I know your enemy, I am more their enemy than you will ever be. You are the unconverted, I am the devil himself.

You have admitted that you are their allie and you want to help them wipe out the Jews.

Go away you stupid child. You understand nothing at all.

The truth stings, doesn't it?

You've never experienced the truth, which is why you are a child.

 

[TemplarKormac]

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Yeah so, when is a business a "state?" A business cannot pass laws.

How has the baker, or any other purveyor of goods or services, denied a gay couple equal protection under the law by not serving them? There are plenty of other places for them to go. The one thing they still have is a choice, even after being denied. If nobody wanted to serve them, that would change things, wouldn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

we have to understand Islam since it is the biggest source of enemies of the USA. not all Islamists are enemies but most of our enemies are Islamists.

what we need to understand is how to wipe out those that seek to harm us quickly and efficiently

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

so most of the NAZIS were killed?..I must of missed that part of history

They were forbidden by law from even uttering their ideas. They were also not allowed to hold any public office or teach in the schools. Eisenhower called it de-nazification.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

No, dumbass, ideas are only defeated by better ideas, but ideas never die, which is why we still have Nazis.

History proves you to be wrong. Nazism is a toothless old hag near death. It will disappear just as many religions have disappeared. The Spaniards wiped the Aztec religion from the face the earth, and many others as well.

History is why I know I'm right. Find an idea, any idea, and someone still believes it.

 

[bripat9643]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

His point is bullshit. If I'm a doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Yeah, doesn't work that way, in the real world which you reject.

Your picture doesn't prove jack. You don't even know if the guy lived.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

No, dumbass, ideas are only defeated by better ideas, but ideas never die, which is why we still have Nazis.

History proves you to be wrong. Nazism is a toothless old hag near death. It will disappear just as many religions have disappeared. The Spaniards wiped the Aztec religion from the face the earth, and many others as well.

History is why I know I'm right. Find an idea, any idea, and someone still believes it.

Really? Who believes that human hearts should be offered to Huitzilopochtli so he'll make the sun rise in the morning? Who worships Quetzalcoatl? Who worships Amun or Isis? Who believes the Pharaoh will rise from the dead?

Dead ideas are as common as dirt.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You know a liberal has lost a debate when:

He or she begins to post random pictures at a considerable clip.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

His point is bullshit. If I'm a doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Yeah, doesn't work that way, in the real world which you reject.

Your picture doesn't prove jack. You don't even know if the guy lived.

It doesn't matter, he was treated, regardless. That is how it works, when grownups are in charge. Since you aren't one, you won't understand.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

No, dumbass, ideas are only defeated by better ideas, but ideas never die, which is why we still have Nazis.

History proves you to be wrong. Nazism is a toothless old hag near death. It will disappear just as many religions have disappeared. The Spaniards wiped the Aztec religion from the face the earth, and many others as well.

History is why I know I'm right. Find an idea, any idea, and someone still believes it.

Really? Who believes that human hearts should be offered to Huitzilopochtli so he'll make the sun rise in the morning? Who worships Quetzalcoatl? Who worships Amun or Isis? Who believes the Pharaoh will rise from the dead?

Dead ideas are as common as dirt.

If you can name it, it isn't dead, dumbass.

 

[eots]

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

ROFL! How many Nazis are walking around today? If Germany had one all of Europe and part of Asia would be full of Nazis. We used bombs and bullets to defeat an idea. If you kill the people who believe in the idea, you kill the idea.

No, dumbass, ideas are only defeated by better ideas, but ideas never die, which is why we still have Nazis.

History proves you to be wrong. Nazism is a toothless old hag near death. It will disappear just as many religions have disappeared. The Spaniards wiped the Aztec religion from the face the earth, and many others as well.

History is why I know I'm right. Find an idea, any idea, and someone still believes it.

Really? Who believes that human hearts should be offered to Huitzilopochtli so he'll make the sun rise in the morning? Who worships Quetzalcoatl? Who worships Amun or Isis? Who believes the Pharaoh will rise from the dead?

Dead ideas are as common as dirt.

oddly enough

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The RFRA does not discriminate against gays in any shape or form.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Faggots should stop suing people who refuse to cater to their "lifestyle" and laws like this wouldn't be needed but of course the people in the right are blamed as usual. Indiana will survive and faggots will get over it.

Let's rephrase that, shall we?

"Blacks should stop suing people who refuse to cater to their "lifestyle" and laws like this wouldn't even be needed but of course the people in the right are blamed as usual. Indiana will survive and blacks will get over it".

See how that looks?

Race is not a lifestyle choice.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The RFRA does not discriminate against gays in any shape or form.

what is the purpose of it ......