Indiana is for Bigots - video and Pence running for cover

[PaintMyHouse]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

You business follows our rules, like it or not.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It is if you are selling it from a business open to the public. Do you understand what words mean?

That isn't actually true. You have some severe misunderstandings about how the law works.

By what basis do people lose their constitutional rights when they sell to the public?

The basis is Capitalism is regulated here, Now you know.

It's regulated in violation of the Constitution.

Utter B.S. The regulation of economic activity is clearly acknowledged in the Constitution.

Wow.

It's embarrassing that we have such ill informed people in our nation. Where was that person when they were supposed to be learning the constitution with the rest of US History? Yet they're the same people who wrap themselves in the flag and declare that they love our nation and what we stand for.

But then people like that only believe and follow the parts of our constitution they like, such as the second amendment.

They have no idea what the commerce clause is. I know I've posted it several times but I'll do it again. Some people need things repeated before it actually sinks in. It's one simple and very intelligent sentence in the constitution. The founders of America knew that unregulated capitalism only leads to monopolies and oligarchies.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:[3]

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes

Hey genius, it would help to have the legal interpretation of the Commerce Clause in hand before lecturing others on Constitutional law.

"The U.S. Supreme Court, in recent cases, has attempted to define limits on the Congress's power to regulate commerce among the several states. While Justice Thomas has maintained that the original meaning of "commerce" was limited to the "trade and exchange" of goods and transportation for this purpose, some have argued that he is mistaken and that "commerce" originally included any "gainful activity." Having examined every appearance of the word "commerce" in the records of the Constitutional Convention, the ratification debates, and the Federalist Papers, Professor Barnett finds no surviving example of this term being used in this broader sense. In every appearance where the context suggests a specific usage, the narrow meaning is always employed. Moreover, originalist evidence of the meaning of "among the several States" and "To regulate" also supports a narrow reading of the Commerce Clause. "Among the several States" meant between persons of one state and another; and "To regulate" generally meant "to make regular"--that is, to specify how an activity may be transacted--when applied to domestic commerce, but when applied to foreign trade also included the power to make "prohibitory regulations." In sum, according to the original meaning of the Commerce Clause, Congress has power to specify rules to govern the manner by which people may exchange or trade goods from one state to another, to remove obstructions to domestic trade erected by states, and to both regulate and restrict the flow of goods to and from other nations (and the Indian tribes) for the purpose of promoting the domestic economy and foreign trade. "

102RP6


Now please, have a seat.

 

[ChrisL]

Yes I do understand. Making deals with such people is utterly ridiculous.

It's not the making of the deal that is ridiculous, it's the idea that a deal exists in the first place. What Iran builds, as a nation, is their fucking business, not ours.

And you are utterly clueless on Islam, which is vastly more complicated than this deal, which isn't one.

No, I'm not. I probably know more than you. No it is our business when a rogue country builds a damn bomb, a country which harbors and funds terrorists, and a country which threatens the world.

You know nothing, obviously. I know Islam, which is why I don't repeat dogma, as you do. Iran scares you, that's as far as your knowledge goes.

Please, I'm the one who had to teach you about the 12th Imam. Remember?

Sweetheart, I have no idea who you were talking to, but you've never taught me anything, and it's very doubtful that you could.

I'm talking to you, and I don't think you knew anything about the silly belief in a 12th imam who is apparently hiding out somewhere waiting for an apocalypse. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

You business follows our rules, like it ort not.

That's "or", not "ort."

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It's not the making of the deal that is ridiculous, it's the idea that a deal exists in the first place. What Iran builds, as a nation, is their fucking business, not ours.

And you are utterly clueless on Islam, which is vastly more complicated than this deal, which isn't one.

No, I'm not. I probably know more than you. No it is our business when a rogue country builds a damn bomb, a country which harbors and funds terrorists, and a country which threatens the world.

You know nothing, obviously. I know Islam, which is why I don't repeat dogma, as you do. Iran scares you, that's as far as your knowledge goes.

Please, I'm the one who had to teach you about the 12th Imam. Remember?

Sweetheart, I have no idea who you were talking to, but you've never taught me anything, and it's very doubtful that you could.

I'm talking to you, and I don't think you knew anything about the silly belief in a 12th imam who is apparently hiding out somewhere waiting for an apocalypse. Lol.

Nothing silly about it, and it wasn't me. There is nothing silly about the differences between Shias and Sunnis.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

You business follows our rules, like it ort not.

That's "or", not "ort."

Fixed, and you're still fucked.

 

[ChrisL]

No, I'm not. I probably know more than you. No it is our business when a rogue country builds a damn bomb, a country which harbors and funds terrorists, and a country which threatens the world.

You know nothing, obviously. I know Islam, which is why I don't repeat dogma, as you do. Iran scares you, that's as far as your knowledge goes.

Please, I'm the one who had to teach you about the 12th Imam. Remember?

Sweetheart, I have no idea who you were talking to, but you've never taught me anything, and it's very doubtful that you could.

I'm talking to you, and I don't think you knew anything about the silly belief in a 12th imam who is apparently hiding out somewhere waiting for an apocalypse. Lol.

Nothing silly about it, and it wasn't me. There is nothing silly about the differences between Shias and Sunnis.

THEY are silly. Let's be real.

"Ort, ort, ort."

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Waiting to cut out the deadwood.
Waiting to clean up the city.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to put on a black shirt.
Waiting to weed out the weaklings.
Waiting to smash in their windows
And kick in their doors.
Waiting for the final solution
To strengthen the strain.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to turn on the showers
And fire the ovens.
Waiting for the queens and the coons
and the reds and the jews.
Waiting to follow the worms.

Waiting for Worms lyrics - The Wall Lyrics - Pink Floyd Lyrics

Oh, how poignant. A little hyperbolic?

Waiting for Worms lyrics - The Wall Lyrics - Pink Floyd Lyrics
probably not to the next homo to get their head kicked in by some simpleton because the state confirmed they are less than

Well, we aren't discussing beatings. We are discussing business owners and their choices.

No, we're discussing regulatory policy that is consistent with the Constitution; business owners are subject to all manner of necessary and proper regulatory policies, public accommodations laws are no different.

And business owners are no different than anyone else, they're not at liberty to make a 'choice' as to what laws they'll obey and what laws they won't.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You know nothing, obviously. I know Islam, which is why I don't repeat dogma, as you do. Iran scares you, that's as far as your knowledge goes.

Please, I'm the one who had to teach you about the 12th Imam. Remember?

Sweetheart, I have no idea who you were talking to, but you've never taught me anything, and it's very doubtful that you could.

I'm talking to you, and I don't think you knew anything about the silly belief in a 12th imam who is apparently hiding out somewhere waiting for an apocalypse. Lol.

Nothing silly about it, and it wasn't me. There is nothing silly about the differences between Shias and Sunnis.

THEY are silly. Let's be real.

"Ort, ort, ort."

And what religion do you think isn't "silly"?

 

[bripat9643]

"The hits just keep on coming for the state of Indiana.

Since the signing of the so-called the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law on Thursday, one of the top trending topics on Twitter is #BoycottIndiana.

With Gov. Mike Pence (R) taking a beating on Twitter, and businesses reviewing their plans in the state, little beyond next week’s Final Four in Indianapolis is going right for the Hoosier State.

With that in mind, the good folks at the Internet Action Force have stepped up and pitched in, creating a tourist pitch selling Indiana as ” It’s a great place to be a bigot.”

Well kids, the days of beating on the gays are coming to an end. It's time to move on, deal with the fact that business is business, not church, and cash, not Jesus, is king in this case. Have your faith but bake the cake, or face this from all sides.

Oh well, the outright murder of homosexuals in Iran doesn't seem to bother you too much.

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

Muslims slaughtered Jews by the thousands. Muhammad himself wiped out several towns full of Jews. Muslims waged war on Christians for 500 years before they started to defend themselves.

Talk about someone who knows nothing of history.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh well, the outright murder of homosexuals in Iran doesn't seem to bother you too much.

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

No, THAT is not relevant to today. That is absurd.

You are utterly wrong. You cannot begin to understand Islam until you understand the world as they see it, an eternal struggle (Jihad), to convert man to the Will (Submission), of God (Allah). Those fighting for ISIS expect to die, in vast numbers, it's required for them to win. 19 out of 20 will die, but God will win in the end.

You don't know your enemy therefore, you cannot win. And while I know your enemy, I am more their enemy than you will ever be. You are the unconverted, I am the devil himself.

You have admitted that you are their allie and you want to help them wipe out the Jews.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"The hits just keep on coming for the state of Indiana.

Since the signing of the so-called the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law on Thursday, one of the top trending topics on Twitter is #BoycottIndiana.

With Gov. Mike Pence (R) taking a beating on Twitter, and businesses reviewing their plans in the state, little beyond next week’s Final Four in Indianapolis is going right for the Hoosier State.

With that in mind, the good folks at the Internet Action Force have stepped up and pitched in, creating a tourist pitch selling Indiana as ” It’s a great place to be a bigot.”

Well kids, the days of beating on the gays are coming to an end. It's time to move on, deal with the fact that business is business, not church, and cash, not Jesus, is king in this case. Have your faith but bake the cake, or face this from all sides.

Oh well, the outright murder of homosexuals in Iran doesn't seem to bother you too much.

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

Muslims slaughtered Jews by the thousands. Muhammad himself wiped out several towns full of Jews. Muslims waged war on Christians for 500 years before the started to defend themselves.

Talk about someone who knows nothing of history.

Not that I will bother with any of your nonsense, but, the Christians were pussies then, which they're supposed to be. At least the Jews and the Muslims can kill their enemies, with God's blessing and help no less.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh well, the outright murder of homosexuals in Iran doesn't seem to bother you too much.

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

we have to understand Islam since it is the biggest source of enemies of the USA. not all Islamists are enemies but most of our enemies are Islamists.

what we need to understand is how to wipe out those that seek to harm us quickly and efficiently

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

 

[ChrisL]

Please, I'm the one who had to teach you about the 12th Imam. Remember?

Sweetheart, I have no idea who you were talking to, but you've never taught me anything, and it's very doubtful that you could.

I'm talking to you, and I don't think you knew anything about the silly belief in a 12th imam who is apparently hiding out somewhere waiting for an apocalypse. Lol.

Nothing silly about it, and it wasn't me. There is nothing silly about the differences between Shias and Sunnis.

THEY are silly. Let's be real.

"Ort, ort, ort."

And what religion do you think isn't "silly"?

I think they are all kind of silly, but that's just my personal opinion. I can think that, and as long as I don't hurt anyone, it's not illegal. I wonder what would happen if you had to sit through some prayer session at a wedding or a funeral or something. You would probably melt. Even your cold, cold heart might melt! OMG!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

No, THAT is not relevant to today. That is absurd.

You are utterly wrong. You cannot begin to understand Islam until you understand the world as they see it, an eternal struggle (Jihad), to convert man to the Will (Submission), of God (Allah). Those fighting for ISIS expect to die, in vast numbers, it's required for them to win. 19 out of 20 will die, but God will win in the end.

You don't know your enemy therefore, you cannot win. And while I know your enemy, I am more their enemy than you will ever be. You are the unconverted, I am the devil himself.

You have admitted that you are their allie and you want to help them wipe out the Jews.

Go away you stupid child. You understand nothing at all.

 

[ChrisL]

Oh well, the outright murder of homosexuals in Iran doesn't seem to bother you too much.

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

Muslims slaughtered Jews by the thousands. Muhammad himself wiped out several towns full of Jews. Muslims waged war on Christians for 500 years before the started to defend themselves.

Talk about someone who knows nothing of history.

Not that I will bother with any of your nonsense, but, the Christians were pussies then, which they're supposed to be. At least the Jews and the Muslims can kill their enemies, with God's blessing and help no less.

Oh, and yesterday, the Jews were pussies.

 

[Dana7360]

Faggots should stop suing people who refuse to cater to their "lifestyle" and laws like this wouldn't be needed but of course the people in the right are blamed as usual. Indiana will survive and faggots will get over it.

I'm not quite sure how baking a cake "caters" to anyone's lifestyle. Its just a cake.

Its agreeing to make a cake for something you don't believe in which is a homosexual "marriage".

What someone who bakes cakes for a living believes in is getting paid, on time, for said cake.

Exactly.

As a professional photographer I have two rules.

1. It must be legal.

2. I must be paid.

That's it.

I have never been asked to work a gay wedding but I would very happily do so if I was asked.

You are my kind of capitalist. All you see is the color green. In this case, but not every case, that is all that matters.

Yes in the case of business, money is what matters.

I'm not christian but I've worked christian weddings. It had nothing to do with me. I'm the hired help. I wasn't a part of the wedding nor was I attending the wedding. No one expected me to be christian to be able to photograph their wedding.

The bride and groom aren't looking for the people they hire to have any say or input to the wedding. Nor do the bride and groom care whether I'm christian or worship the lint it my belly button. All they cared about was a photographer who could document the event and produce good photos. That's all they're looking for in a photographer. Same with a baker. All they want is to buy a cake. Just as with the flowers. All they want is flowers for their wedding.

Conducting business isn't a religion and everyone knows it.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh well, the outright murder of homosexuals in Iran doesn't seem to bother you too much.

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

Muslims slaughtered Jews by the thousands. Muhammad himself wiped out several towns full of Jews. Muslims waged war on Christians for 500 years before the started to defend themselves.

Talk about someone who knows nothing of history.

Not that I will bother with any of your nonsense, but, the Christians were pussies then, which they're supposed to be. At least the Jews and the Muslims can kill their enemies, with God's blessing and help no less.

I marvel at the way you switch from saying the Moslem where victims to saying their victims were pussies who got what they deserve. I think someone inserted a blade into your cranium and scrambled your brains.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Did the Jews not do that? The Christians? Have you no historical perspective at all?

Oh, again you bring up ANCIENT history and try to compare that to today's day and age. Lol. Silly boy.

Maybe you should learn Islam, where an insult of a thousand years ago was fucking yesterday. Oh that's right, you have no clue about Islam because you never studied it, like the rest of the dumbshits here.

And somehow, by magic I guess, a religion of warriors is supposed to be better than a religion of peacemakers, who spent five hundred years chopping off the heads of Muslims, Jews, and other unbelievers, when that is they weren't slaughtering each other. History matters, learn to apply it.

we have to understand Islam since it is the biggest source of enemies of the USA. not all Islamists are enemies but most of our enemies are Islamists.

what we need to understand is how to wipe out those that seek to harm us quickly and efficiently

Well, you don't understand Islam, and Islam is an idea and ideas aren't killed using bullets and bombs.

Yes, actually they are. We killed Nazism with bombs and bullets.

No, we didn't. We defeated, with others, the German army. Nazism is still alive and well, it's just not in power.

 

[ChrisL]

I wouldn't want them baking a cake for me anyway. They might spit in it . . . or worse. I would definitely go elsewhere. Lol.